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Doc D - Ethiopian Flame V2
Strayfox - North Indian Kush Cake (fem)
Indoor
Room Type
LST
weeks 5
Defoliation
weeks 5
Expanded Clay
Grow medium
18.927 l
Pot Size
Strain
Alien Rift
Ocean Grown Seeds
Growing it
Easy
Resistance
Strong
Ran 3 plants. 2 males:1 female. I ran the same plant in DWC and then soil. I got much better terps, flavors, and effects in soil vs my DWC run. The soil plant smelled like how I am used to Alien Rift smelling. Pungent, greasy, gassy. So I messed up the dry/cure, it was an environmental problem, or my new nutrients this run (Ventana). The effects on my DWC run I actually like better as it doesn't seem as potent, more of a daytime smoke. The soil has more medical effects for my spouse, so she likes the soil much better. I will go into more details below, but overall a great grow experience.
The Outcome
Week 14
Harvest
Reviews. Lamp
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Oozle Oozle
2 years ago
I am combining my harvest report for the Alien Rift soil run and this one. DWC Grow Stats: 8 Days - Germination 25 Days - Veg 75 Days - Flower 108 day grow cycle 5 gallon DWC Ventana Nutrients I started 3 plants in 1 5-gallon DWC. The lone female wasn't as vigorous and the males were shading her a bit, so she was smaller than I like heading into flower. It still stacked up and produced frosty nugs, but it wasn't as vigorous as I would like, so I will pop more seeds in the fall to find my keeper. This plant took a long time to ripen and as I mentioned above, the smells and potency just wasn't there. Smells were more flowery and some gas, but nothing like I am used to. Luckily the soil run went much better. Ventana Nutrients are a new line I tried. The Flavuh product has some proprietary polymer that is supposed to make the PH more stable. I would say my PH was a bit more stable compared to botanicare, but I only used it on 1 res in flower, so that result isn't really reliable. I am not going to continue to use it because of the price and the flower on the Alien rift wasn't what I am used to. So either it was the nutrients or environmental. I didn't like how the grow and bloom nutrients are only about 15 ppms per 1ml/gal, so you use a lot of your bottles per cycle. I did some math and the price is 50-70% more expensive than the botanicare, GH, and Remo lines because how much of each bottle you have to use. When something is labeled for cannabis they always hike the price to take advantage. No reason why they couldn't have made the flower and grow bottles more concentrated. Soil Grow info: 63 Days - Flower 5 gallon Stonington Blend amended with EWC, coco, and volcanic rock dust. The clone ripened and flowered much faster than the seed. F63-67 is when I normally harvest my Alien rifts. Much better smoke, effects, taste, and terps as I mentioned above. This is how my Alien Rift normally smells and hits. My wife uses it for her headaches and the last DWC run doesn't do as much for her as the soil plant. I top fed fishbone meal with some earthworm castings week 1, 3, and 5. She started to yellow out a little faster than I would have liked, so maybe 1 or 2 waterings with cal-mag would have helped. Smell: Gassy, pungent, lemon/spice. Effects: feels like wearing a helmet, relaxed, mood stabilizer Thanks for reading and have a good day! πŸš€πŸš€πŸš€πŸš€πŸš€πŸš€
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StunFlower
StunFlowerweek 6
That Flame is a lanky beast! The unbalanced net cup can be a pain - I've got the same thing going on with my Formula One Plus. She's a leaner.
StunFlower
StunFlower
@Oozle,πŸ˜‚πŸ€£πŸ˜‚πŸ€£
Oozle
Oozle
@StunFlower, oh fancy an antique iron haha. Hard to find small heavy stuff.
StunFlower
StunFlower
@Oozle, Haha! I used an antique iron! Stability is the one thing I miss about using the 6" pail inserts with the built-in net pots in my buckets. Since switching to 4" net pots and fitting them through a hole cut out of the bucket lid, I've had a couple of leaners. I do like the 4" pots in that they're much less expensive and require far less hydroton.
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StunFlower
StunFlowerweek 4
The garden is looking great. Too true about the mutant plants being the most interesting ones πŸ˜… I look forward to the results of your cloning efforts - have you cloned anything before? That's something I still have to try.
Oozle
Oozle
@StunFlower, I have some extra room so I figured if I can keep 1 or 2 nice plants in my stable. Some strains I get so much yield it takes me a year to go thru it. I am hoping the clones will allow me to run more, smaller plants.
StunFlower
StunFlower
@Oozle, Thanks for the info! Sounds to me like your first try was pretty darn successful. It's something I've always been interested in trying. I'll get to it one day!
Oozle
Oozle
@StunFlower, ty! I cloned some for the first time last week (8 Ethiopian Flames). I made a little DWC cooler for them. They rooted, but I burned them pretty bad (too much feed). So I am simplifying my strategy this time. The Ethiopian Clones showed roots and are in soil now, so they should make it. I think out of 8 original clones, 6 or 7 made it. Not bad for my first try. I am going to mother 1 of the Ethiopian flames if the smoke is excellent. This time I cut the Alien and Indian, used the rooting hormone and put them right into starter plugs in a humidity dome. Seems much easier than having to manage a reservoir. I will keep you updated with my results.
StunFlower
StunFlowerweek 14
Congrats on the harvest and thanks for the impressive grow report. Your comments about the terps in the DWC run vs. soil is very interesting. Disappointing that the DWC grow didn't net the expected result this time around - like you say, could be environmental and/or the change in nutes. I recently read that terps in flowers grown in DWC are not as strong as those grown in soil because of the humidity levels associated with DWC - "the plant doesn’t go through the natural short periods of drought that other plants do, which is what increases terpene production." Not sure how true this is - smells a bit like bro-science πŸ˜ƒ
Oozle
Oozle
@StunFlower, Well drought stress does increase sugar content in fruit (apples in particular) trees, so I think that's where the theory comes from. But it would take someone to be very precise on how much drought stress and when.. so it isn't just stop watering "x" days before harvest and you get a better terps. So mostly bro science for cannabis growers until there is a study on how much and when to start the drought stress. If it is a fact, it should be reproduceable over and over again. I've had better or the same results with this strain in DWC, so I definitely wouldn't say soil > DWC, just in this instance haha. I'd have to do a lot more plants and a lot more strains before I came to that conclusion. I do get more expressions in soil, but that could be how I feed in DWC, so I've been bringing down my cal-mag and N more lately to see if I can match the color expressions I get in soil.
grzegorzdelaurans
grzegorzdelauransweek 6
are you feeding your plants with all 11 products at the same time?
Oozle
Oozle
@grzegorzdelaurans, no. I am running different nutrient lines for different plants. 1 plant (Alien Rift) is on Ventana nutrients. The other 3 (Ethiopian and North Indian) I am using botanicare. I was trying ventana nutrients out and I didn't have enough nutrients to finish them all. Week 2 of flower I switched all plants except the Alien Rift to botanicare.
grzegorzdelaurans
grzegorzdelauransweek 9
very nice
Oozle
Oozle
StunFlower
StunFlowerweek 5
The bleeding Ethiopian Flame sounds wild! πŸ”₯
Oozle
Oozle
@StunFlower, I have clones of it rooted into 1 gallons now. Im hoping to run the clone of it in december. Hoping to get some better pictures of the red/purple as it gets a bit older.
StunFlower
StunFlowerweek 1
I've had some higher than I'd like water temps as well with the hotter weather we've had this summer. Thankfully it's come down to a more comfortable level (70-71) over the past week or so. Your seedlings look great. Good luck with the new nute line - any reason for the change?
Oozle
Oozle
@StunFlower, A couple reasons. Botanicare is great, cheap, consistent, and easy to use but I have some pH problems. Im hoping this line is more stable. The Silica in this line is more stable than potassium silicate, so I am hoping that alone will help the swings. But the main reason is to try out the FlaVUH product. It has some proprietary stuff in it that is supposed to increase terps etc. IDK how true the stuff is, but it wasn't too expensive and figure I'd give it a shot.
StunFlower
StunFlowerweek 14
Looks lovely and sounds delicious. Congrats on another great harvest!
StunFlower
StunFlowerweek 13
Gorgeous πŸ”₯
StunFlower
StunFlowerweek 7
Nice trees! 🌴
Legiongrower
Legiongrowerweek 6
Good luckπŸ˜ŽπŸ‘»
StunFlower
StunFlowerweek 3
Ugh. The dialling of the nutes. It can be so frustrating 🀬
StunFlower
StunFlowerweek 0
Love the germination cooler, and that exciting lineup of genetics, of course. I look forward to the show! 🌱 πŸ“Ί