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OG Kush! One of my favorite smokes. I’m excited to be starting my first Scrog grow. I love mainlining, but this is something I’ve been wanting to try. This will be a 4 plant grow in my 4x4. Once the JTR finishes up, I’ll be picking 4 of the 5 that popped to plant in 6.6 gal autopots and then running a Scrog. For now they are going to stay in these little cups for about 3 weeks or so in the 2x4.
Each of the 5 seeds that popped are growing at about the same rate. They will have 2 more weeks before the 4x4 is ready for them, I expect that they will be begging for more space by then. They seem to be healthy and ready to explode.
They are all 5 doing fine. They are growing a bit more loose and stretchy than I expected from a strain so heavy on the indica side. I look forward to seeing how they do over the next week. The JTR in my 4x4 are now hanging to dry, so in 5-7 days I’ll clean that out and then get these in their final pots in that tent.
09/10:
All 5 of these ladies are growing very similarly. In these pictures they look thirsty, cause they were. I purposely underwater them to force the roots to stretch out in anticipation of their transplant in the next couple of days. I haven’t yet finished drying the JTR plants in my 4x4 and so I do not have a place to put them yet, but they are ready to transplant. Will probably do that in the next couple of days. Still not sure what 4 or the 5 I want to take to flower. Very impressed with these genetics so far.
09/14:
I’ve topped and transplanted these ladies. I’ve only taken 4 of the 5 and that will be more than enough to fill up this 4x4. After topping I also roughed up and bent down the main branch. While doing this, I snapped one of the 5. Made it easy to pick the 4 I’m taking. The 5th one is still in the 2x2 and I’ll keep her around just out of curiosity to see how long she can grow in the little cup. Looking forward to seeing how well these 4 adjust to their new space.
09/17
These ladies seem to have recovered from the transplant fine. They are starting to look happy again. I watered them today. I will not water them tomorrow, and plan to hook the auto pots up to the water on Tuesday. I expect that once hooked up to water that they will start growing like crazy. I’ll probably take out the trellis is a week or so. We’ll see.
09/23
These ladies have finally completely adjusted to their new pots and endless amounts of water. They are mostly very healthy outside of a little nitrogen OD. I’m going to get the water in the tank with a bit of PH’ed water to try to lessen the nitro. I’m new to Scrog and so am not sure when to start the trellis. I feel like they are going to grow a lot in this next week, and so I may end up starting that sometime in this week. For now, I am just going to manually gently bend down each branch every morning until I feel that she is ready to start stretching into a trellis.
A note on the strain/genetics. Humboldt is proud of the stem strength that they accomplished with these genetics. And I can honestly say that I know what they are talking about when I handle the branches. They feel almost rubbery, and seem to move and hold position like a pipe cleaner. Haven’t really had any plants that felt like this before. Really think it will workout week for training them through the trellis. We’ll see how it goes.
I’m going to Scrog for the first time. I’m planning to put on the trellis in a day or two. My question is, should I switch these to flower right after adding in the trellis, to try to use the initial pre-flower stretch to help fill the trellis?
09/30
Wow this was an entertaining day. Every morning this week I would bend down each of their branches; every day they would pop back up. They grew so much this week. Today after bending the branches down, I added the trellis net. I used Velcro ties just above the hook on each corner to help keep the net from being pushed up. I also used two 12lbs weights and some bungee cords hooked to the center to help keep it pulled down as they mature into the net.
I had considered defoliating now, but have decided to see how they start growing into this first. I expect I’ll defoliate sometime this week. Plan to switch the lighting to 12/12 next week after I have filled all holes on the net and cleaned up any growth under the canopy.
10/08
I have defoliated 3 times this week! They do not seem phased by an aggressive defoliation. They also seem to just want to focus on leaf growth, and there was very little to no stretching this week, as I had hoped. I want some more stretching so that I can better fill out the net. I’ve decided to switch to 12/12 tonight, hoping that the pre flower stretch will get me where I want to be as far as filling all of the net.
At this point, I am not sure how much the net has even helped me, as there are only a couple of areas where it is actually training branches in so way. I think this is just the result of the way I trained them prior to adding the net. I’m definitely not doing a Scrog right, but I’m not discouraged by it just yet. As some of my comments suggest, I should have just started with the trellis right after I got them in these pots, I’d probably be much further along in their training by now. Either way, these plants seem like they are going to grow some big delicious buds. I’m excited to see how they change over the next few weeks.
I’ve also added Fish Shit to my nutes. Not sure if I will notice any great help from it, but I figured that I might as well try adding in something that has a focuse on terps and flavors as I am becoming a bit of a terp snob. 😆
10/15
Another week of slight stretch with a ton of leaf growth! They just want to have lots of huge leaves. I already want to defoliate again, but they are barely transitioning, and only just now showing small signs of prebloom. And so I do not want to cause any unnecessary stress at the moment. I think I will give them another week before defoliating again, if my high ass can stand to be in there and looking at all of those oversized fan leaves without wanting to take them. 😆
I’ve accepted that I haven’t done a very good job with the Scrog training and am just going to let them do their thing now without pulling around any branches. The stems are firming up a lot now anyway, and I don’t want to break any and cause stress.
Looking forward to the next couple of weeks as I start to see where my flowers are going to start stacking up.
10/23
It was a pretty great week. I did another defoliation early in the week and added a second trellis net. I think that they may be getting to the end of their stretch and have started budding.
I need to take the time to remove some of the lower growth that is now in between the two nets. I should get some time to do it in the next couple of days.
I have to say, I haven’t really enjoyed the amount of work that this growing style has created for me with this many plants in this 4x4. This is especially true for a strain that just wants to grow tons of giant leaves. However, when I look at them now, I feel a sense of pride similar to what I get when looking at my hard work from main-lining. And so I am on the fence at the moment in regard to if I like Scrog. Really looking forward to seeing how they turn out.
Dumped and cleaned my water tank today. I also decided to remove the liquid seaweed from my mix moving forward, as I cannot tell if it is actually benefiting my plants in some way that the other nutes are not already, and it is causing a lot of nasty buildup in my water tank and in the AquaVales.
10/29
Man they are starting to look really yummy. Buds started everywhere. Smells have already started; I just put on the air filter.
They need a defoliation badly, and I need to clean up lower growth. I have been lazy lately and haven’t gotten to it. I am also telling myself that they are not done stretching and growing leaves, but that may just be the excuse I’m telling myself. I’ll do a defol some evening this week. I’d guess it’s going to take about 2.5-3 hours…
Starting to be pleased with my efforts to Scrog, as they my are just looking great at this point. The canopy is insanely full for the 4x4, and that both looks great and like it’s going to be a problem. Keeping humidity in check is going to be difficult with this much foliage and autopots in the tent. The bright side is that I have a dehumidifier near the tent and winter is kicking in here and the furnace will be running, making the air outside of the tent very low in humidity. And so I should be able to rely on the AC infinity controller to automatically increase the in-line to pull in better air if the humidity is getting high. It will be very important for this strain.
Looking forward to the next week. Should see some bud bubbling, and that is always fun.
11/01 - Update
I did a heavy defoliation today. It was annoying and took over 3 hours but needed to be done badly. Hoping it’s the last time it’s needed.
11/05:
I’m very glad that I did the defoliation this week, as they have responded to it very very well. Their now just a stack of bud sites all over the place that are growing nicely. Two of the plants are already producing a large amount of frost.
At this point I’m hoping that they will be mostly no maintenance. I’m am super pleased with how they are turning out and I am excited to see how they progress through the next week.
11/12:
They are looking and smelling very yummy. Leaves are still growing. The buds are starting to thicken up. Looks like I’m probably going to just have a bunch of small but dense buds for the most part. Frost is starting to build up every. So much so that I don't ant to dig around in there to remove leaves. The smells are mostly just sweet and earthy right now. With a hit of fuel. Really looking forward to the next week.
11/19
They are really starting to mature now.
The top buds have thickened up almost overnight. Im thinking that next Saturday i will clean the water tank and change them to just water for the rest of the grow, as i think they have about three more week. Looking forward to seeing their progress. They smell of fuel and citrus right now.
11/26
Smells like lemon pledge and gas in the tent. Some of the buds are frosting up like crazy. I am in the final two weeks and switched to just water today. Looking forward to seeing how the leaves change and the buds mature in the next couple of weeks.
12/03:
It is the final week and i can honestly say that this has been my favorite grow yet. It may be because I am loving this strain. It smells better in this tent than it ever has. Smells of sweet citrus and a hit of fuel. If you’ve never grown OG Kush, go buy some seeds! This stuff is wonderful. Im am super excited to try it.
I will shut the lights off on Friday night and leave them in the dark until Sunday before cutting them down. No looking forward to getting these monsters out of two trellis nets.
This strain stretches like crazy in the initial phases of flower. They take nearly two weeks after flipping the light to start to show signs of bloom. The smell is a sweet citrus fuel. It has uneven internodal growth and the buds are mostly small and dense.
12/10: Harvest
Today i harvested the plants… wow what a pain in the back it was. I decided to just cut away both of the trellis nets, cause it was going to be too much work to get the plants out of it whole. I chopped them down, tied them to hangers, then weighed them whole, and the. I trimmed away any fan leaves that did not have any sugar on them. All of this took about 4.5 hours and was a bunch of manual labor, done sober.
This is the first time i have weighed the weight hole plants at harvest. I weighed them with a fish scale. They game out to exactly 200oz of total weight.
54.7oz
50.0oz
46.7oz
48.6oz
My favorite of the plants and the one that I currently have a clone of weighed in at 48.6oz of total plant material. Its pretty interesting to see how different the weights have been.
I will dry them in the 4x4 maintaining around 60% RH for around 8-14 days depending on how quickly they dry.
Ill be back here with the final dry bud weight after they have finished and I’ve trimmed them.
You're in a 4x4 tent, with 4 plants scrogging them. I don't wanna burst your bubble, but your gonna be so over crowded you won't believe your eyes. When you scrog with a trellis, you gotta do a defoliation 7 days prior to light flip. Strip em down. Take big fan leaves off and any light obstructive foliage. Also remove low growth that is certain to not produce much. Give them a week to recover, then flip to 12/12. Continue to tuck the plant under the trellis for the next 7 to 10 days, then let them go on their own till the stretch is complete. At day 21, do your last defoliation and make sure your canopy has ample room and space for airflow and so that light can penetrate through to the lower plant. Then just keep your nutes and pH on point. Hopefully you have your temp and humidity dialed in, so if thats the case just watch em grow!
You'll agree with me when your done that 4 in a 4x4 tent scrog is too much. 2 is much better, 3 max. Hell you could do 1 in a 7 gallon pot and scrog it in all directions and fill the entire space, and your yield wouldn't be all that different. But you will notice that you spent less on nutrients cuz you watered 1 plant instead of 4.
Hope this helps. And just as a reference for you. I'm a old legacy pirate grower from British Columbia Canada. Been growing since i was 14 years old. I'm 52 now and i still grow. So i've got a bit of experience and knowledge that ive picked up along the way.
@AutoflowersSucK, Hey! Thanks for the info. Im already realizing that it is probably going to be a little much. :-) I'm actually dreading what I expect will be a lot of maintainace as a result. Also, this strain is not very mold or bud rot resistant, and so I am going to really have to keep the humidity dialed in. SHouldnt be to big of a problem, as winter sets in over the next month, is stays in the low to mid 40% here without me needing to help it much. Though with the water always setting in the autopots, it will be a bit higher in the tent. The AC Infinity system will help with is a lot with all of the automated triggers. And I have a pretty great dehumidifier outside of the tent as well. a few weeks into flower, I am planning to keep it around 45% and temps aroun 70-75f. But yes, I am going to have to really keep up on the defoliation for sure. I've over done it. Thanks again for stoping in and taking a look.
@@DaMunchies, I know what mean.I'm still loving it, but i still love to have stuff to do in the tent. And i'm limited to 2 or 3 plants max per grow. I can imagine it becoming tedious in a bigger tent.🙈
@Herbie101, Thanks bud! I have really started to dislike the defoliation process, and so it's nice to get comments on the results of that effort! :-) I've found it to be the most labor intensive part of my grows at this point.
Just a little advice take it for what it's worth with nothing but the best intentions - analyzing your plants from the included photos I noticed very light chlorophyll absorption and to remedy this you would need 6 parts of the equation;
part 1 - more rich BLUE with UVA/UVB 310-385nm light keeps them plants short and internodes tight/stacked - ideal or what your doing SCROG -
part 2 - increase nitrogen and maintain through flower to keep nitrogen fixing compounds to be active and then the normal high dose of phosphorus part 3 - BRIX levels - keep them sugars going - I would personally recommend Terpinator, Purplenator, and Sugaree - these are very nice balance of plant available sugars; and
part 4 - Beneficial Bacteria & Fungi,
part 5 - Liquid Karma (Liquid Carbon) ;
part 6 - Chitin - secret weapon - non - plant food - top dress for your plants (polysaccharides) increase the TERPS/Flavonoids.
I know this seems like a lot of extra work but this will make you a scientific cultivator of very valuable medicinal compounds. Best of luck !
Grow On!! ;-)~
@boutique_buddz, all that sounds lovely. But I’ll stick with the lights I have. They get the job done and work to grow all of the delicious bud I could need. I’m already able to grow amazing weed with what I have. I feel like adding anything new would just be a marginal difference for prices that are likely not worth the cost to upgrade.
@@DaMunchies, Yes indeed "color" is very key due to the plant being a photon accumulator ;-)~
Light - this my friend is your #1 friend / photon quality, energy, color temperature, and IP rating 65 or 66 is preferred due to it being more water tight / dust proof, etc.
Light choices ------------
Floro, CMH, HPS, LED, Plasma - these are the main choices -
For the 400-800NM spectral range I personally use Plasma by Gavita LEP SUP 41.01 - I use it because it keeps plants very short, compact, allows for training and plant steering, as well as it has UVA & UVB this keeps the bugs away so no issues with bugs whatsoever; in addition the extra rich BLUE & GREEN in the spectrum allows for the plant to not want to make seeds thus if you have regular sex seeds this will promote females - through my trials ;-).
Further, the rich BLUE, GREEN, and UV A/B in the Plasma helps secondary metabolites to form very early and anthocyanin to accumulate as well - purple striping in the stem/leaf.
For the big show - flower phase - I add a LED by Gavita Pro 1930 - it's on a dimmer so I can step it up and down on the PPFD. This light is very high quality and gives a superior coverage and has the IP rating I required and the spectrum I wanted to use with my Plasma and the below mentioned UV lights.
Lastly, I use Migro UV-B/A lights & Solacure Flower Power UV lights with the above to create the most cannabinoid, terpinoid, flavanoid content I can with the most advanced technology to date.
This is in my earnest honest opinion and through lab tests to be the very best setup one can use to steer this plant to achieve the above mentioned results.
I hope this helps my fellow cultivator!
@boutique_buddz,
Gotcha, so the color is the indicator for you, the light green of the leaves? I’ve actually cut back the nitrogen in them a bit as I noticed leave being very dark, I may have over compensated there also. As for light, what more would I be aiming to achieve in my outcome that I am not able to with my current light? I never would have considered that these lights are not covering the tent appropriately in a good spectrum.
@MiyaguiOkPolilla, thanks so much for your compliments! It has been a lot of work, so its fun to hear that people liked it. Im very pleased and proud of the training. Thanks for stopping in and saying something!
@AcidBurn_40, welcome to growing! Your going to have a lot of fun. I found that youtube videos were really helpful when i started. There are a lot of good ones out there. Best tip i have for you is that nothing needs to be perfect. Just start, do your best, make adjustments, and enjoy the ride. Cannabis is like every other living thing, it wants to survive. And so it is hard to mess it up. Good luck!
@StarLorr, thanks bud! Yea, they have thickened up a lot in the last couple of weeks. They got thicker than i had expected to based on how they looked a few weeks ago.
@popcornsutton, Hey growmie! Thanks for checking out my grow. Good questions. I'd guess in this case it would just be the result of my own mistake in terms of pot size. Looks like you were looking at a week prior to my adding the pot size. Its in there now on later weeks. They are 6.9 gallon pots by AutoPot USA. They are very large, though I honestly have not noticed a great difference between these large post and my much smaller AutoPots, as the drip system seems to allow the plant to get as much water and nutes as they needs to properly fill out even with a smaller pot size. As for lighting, I have never actually measured light distance, but always just kind of guess, leaving it somewhere around 30ish inches or so typically. However, late in a grow like this, that distance is significantly less as a result of vertical space. Right now, the light is as high as I can get it while keeping my inline fan in the tent, and I have some colas that are as close as around 7-9 inches to the light. This is not ideal of course, and the top colas will likely have a bit of light burn or coloring differences than the lower growth, but will still end up being great bud. I am in no way a scientific grower. And though I know a lot of people try to keep everything exactly right all the time, I did when I first started - or so I tried. However I found that I enjoy growing more when I just wing it with an expectation of some decent bud, while ultimately always ending up with amazing bud and having a good time growing because I did not stress about making sure that everything was exactly right all the time. Many people may put in the work for perfection, and will likely end up with wonderful product, but I know that I can get product that will impress me, without sweating perfection. If you are new to growing, a tip I would have wished I had taken earlier in my grow journey is to just do what feels right at the time. These plants are very resistant, and like all other living things, they want to survive. Outside of a pest or mold issue, growing them is hard to mess up, and perfection isn't necessary at all. In fact, it would be hard to grow your own weed that isn't a better quality that you will get in a typical dispensary. Hope this helps! Good luck in your growing!
I had a look at your question but it didn't seem to have a way for me to respond. In regards to a scrog trellis. You put that sucker in your tent day 1. You have it 6 to 8 inches off the top of your pots. Top your plants so you get 2 tops and to promote side branching. Start to trellis them from the beginning. And don't weave them over and under the trellis, cuz when it's time to harvest you'll regret weaving 😫 Just tuck under to the next square and so on. When you feel the time is right (based on space and plant size) you can flip to flower. Continuing to tuck when the flowering stretch begins is up for debate. Reason being, you might tuck a really nice big juicy growth tip under and then when you plant is done stretching, that top won't rise up enough to get max potential out of it. I would say based on my experience, and of course this advice is strain dependant, because they all have different stretch characteristics, fill your canopy 3/4. Leave 25% for continued tuck for the first 5 days of flower, 7 days max depending on how fast or slow they take off with stretching. Then, let all the tops go up up and away. Yes, they will be crowded with foliage, but they shouldn't be super bad because i know you defoliated 7 days before you flipped to 12/12....right?? 😉 So, by day 21 they should be about done with vertical growth. Now you do a final defoliation to allow for light penetration and to expose all your tops to direct light, and watch your yield be epic!
DaMunchies
