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DFWmd DFWmd
6 months ago
Wednesday, November 1, 2023 (Day 64) - finishing up the second week and starting the third week of 12/12. Some pistils are noticeable on just about every main branch. My plan is to trim again at the end of this week, lollipop most of what's under the trellis and try to keep most of the plant above the trellis, tucking fan leaves when needed. I'll trim enough fan leaves to make sure there is good airflow and light penetration. (I saw some examples of people trimming just about all the fan leaves, including videos from professional grow operations. So, I'm definitely not 100% sure I shouldn't be doing similarly. Maybe next Wednesday, I'll do the less trimming plan and take pics and ask a Grow Question to get feedback and reasoning. It just makes sense that you'd want to keep fan leaves as they are what power the plant, including flowering, right?) I checked the run-off EC and it was about 1.0 more than the fertigation solution EC?! I increased fertigation timing from 30 to 40 seconds. The mixing pump goes for the first 5 minutes then the fertigation pump goes. Times are 0400, 0900, 1200, 1500, 1800, 2100, and 2400. Tomorrow, I'll check run-off again with fresh run-off. Today, it was run-off building up from a few fertigations (I only vacuum out the liquid when it gets close to the bottom of the fabric pots.) ----- Thursday, November 2, 2023 (Day 65) - The run-off today for Plant 2 was about 0.8 and for Plant 3 still about 1.0. I'll keep monitoring and ensure it continues to trend down; if needed I could increase the duration to greater than 40 seconds, but then a full 5-gallon bucket would not be enough for 24 hours of fertigation. I'm going to ask a grow question about whether I should continue keeping the canopy as flat as possible or to just let the colas go (as long as not too close to the light.) ----- Friday, November 3, 2023 (Day 66) - I went ahead and lollipped, even though it's only been 16 days post-12/12 flip. A lot of guidelines recommend 21 days after flip. From now until harvest, I plan to defoliate only sparingly. Training (manifolding/mainlining) essentially done. I was trying to compare the Nugbuckets method with Nebula Haze's method but two different phenotypes so not a great experiment. Using clones would be the best comparison, limiting variables. Regardless, I think either method led to good results, because the canopy from two plants pretty much fills the 4x4 tent. I checked EC run-off again and still was +1. Maybe some of that is from evaporation because I haven't been checking only the one fertigation run-off right away? I also don't seem to be getting much volume from my run-off, despite increasing the fertigation duration from 30 to 40 seconds. The hole I put in the tubing to prevent siphoning maybe plays a role with less volume but I doubt it. I could re-measure... I could just keep increasing the duration, but I don't want to waste nutrients too much and also don't want to have to fill the 5-gallon reservoir more than once in 24 hours. I will, though, if needed. Since my plants are looking good, I may just not even worry about it and quit measuring run-off! Prioritize how the plant looks overall over a (hopefully) isolated detail being off. I appreciate everyone who has been answering grow questions and/or commenting on the diary. Keep it up! ----- Saturday, November 4, 2023 (Day 67, 17 days into flower) - There's about 8 gallons of nutrient solution in the big tub. I pH'd to 5.8 and checked EC was ~2.8. There likely wasn't anything in the 5-gallon bucket reservoir for the 1200 fertigation, so I put about 6 cups in each pot by hand. Still considering increasing fertigation duration beyond 40 seconds... Flower develop quite noticeable and looking good! I'm pleased and excited! ----- Sunday, November 5, 2023 (Day 68, 18 days into flower) - Stretching continues. Plants seem good to me. I need to clean the 5-gallon bucket tomorrow; some scummy stuff or residue... Made another big batch of nutrient solution: 1. 24 gallons tap water (EC 0.550) 2. 60 mL Armor Si (then wait at least an hour) 3. 121 grams Jack's Nutrients 15-5-20 and 24 grams Epsom salt (I ended up using 245 grams and 50 grams to get close enough to the target EC...) 4. 120 mL General Hydroponics Diamond Nectar. 5. 3/4 teaspoon Yucca ..... Check and adjust EC to goal of 2.1 + tap = 2.650. Actual result: _2.838_ ..... Adjust pH to 5.8-6.2. Actual result: _6_ 6. 60 mL H2O2 I took a couple of pictures of colas to use in a grow question. I think it'd be fun to get estimates on yield based on progress so far. I don't have a prize but the winner will get bragging rights! ----- Monday, November 6 (Day 69, 19 days into flower) - I cleaned the 5-gallon reservoir with H2O2 solution. Filled it from the big tub and pH'd to 5.8. I took a close-up shot of a flower and can see some trichomes just starting. Still fairly light smell so far. There are a few colas that are much higher than the rest. Do I supercrop those? Just keep the light high for now? Another question: Almost everyone talks about tucking fan leaves so bud sites get more light, but the bud site getting light doesn't matter that much, right? Light goes to fan leaves which photosynthesize and send energy to buds so they develop and flower is my understanding. Hypothetically, a plant with bud sites getting lots of light and fan leaves getting not so much light would do WORSE than v/v? ----- Tuesday, November 7, 2023 (Day 70, 20 days into flower) - I LST'd (via soft plant ties to trellis) some of those stretchy colas and lowered the light a couple of inches. ----- END OF 10TH WEEK FROM SEED
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Grow Questions
DFWmd
DFWmdstarted grow question 7 months ago
Finishing up the topping portion of mainlining. P2 to be Nebula-Haze style and P3 to be Nugbuckets style. I'll be trimming growth tips other than from the 8 cola sites on each. Still keep un-shaded fan leaves below those levels? A lot online shows all lower fan leaves trimmed
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thedoe
thedoeanswered grow question 7 months ago
if the 8 growth shoots are ready to ride solo, you could remove the leaves if you cant tuck them. by that I mean they are developed and are already working on their 2nd node or so, if theyre too small it makes no sense. check out my grow; I had the same idea for 8 tops! same guide mine is probably not as bushy but youll get the idea. especially if youre not limited on time then it will recover regardless. just faster if they are ready to grow without need of those big fanleaves.
DFWmd
DFWmdstarted grow question 6 months ago
I'm unsure about trimming/defoliation at this point: What's the goal for just before switching to 12/12? I've read to veg until your height is 1/2 to 1/3 the final height supported by the setup. I seem to have plenty of room still. How much do I trim under the canopy?
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mcflow
mcflowanswered grow question 6 months ago
if you're just before the switch to the flowering stage (12/12), focus on the following specifics: Undercanopy Trimming: Trim the lower branches and leaves that won't receive much light in the flowering stage. This directs energy to the top canopy. Remove Large Fan Leaves: Take out any large fan leaves that are shading potential bud sites in the lower and inner parts of the plant. Maintain Airflow: Ensure good airflow by removing excess foliage in the undercanopy. This helps prevent humidity-related issues. Avoid Over-Pruning: Be cautious not to over-prune, as you still want the plant to have enough foliage for photosynthesis and energy production. Top Canopy Focus: Concentrate on opening up the top canopy to allow light penetration and airflow for the main bud sites. Remember, the idea is to strike a balance between removing excess foliage and maintaining enough leaves for the plant's overall health. Keep an eye on how the plant responds and adjust accordingly.
DFWmd
DFWmdstarted grow question 6 months ago
It's been 15 days since flipping from veg to 12/12. Am I done training to keep the canopy flat? The goal is basically to optimize flower development at this point, right? Tucking tall branches at this point would be counterproductive, right? (Unless too close to lights?)
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Scrubbyjimbob
Scrubbyjimbobanswered grow question 6 months ago
People tend to let their plants go a bit more during the stretch but it's largely dependent on how much headroom you have with your lights. Like you mentioned, you're still gonna want to address areas that are outpacing the rest and growing into your light's "hotzone". Maybe not tucking branches, but super cropping is handy to level out colas.
DFWmd
DFWmdstarted grow question 6 months ago
There are a few colas that are much higher than the rest. Do I supercrop those? Just squeeze the stem and flop them over to canopy height? That makes me nervous...
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Mr_Weeds_Autos
Mr_Weeds_Autosanswered grow question 6 months ago
If you are nervous about super-cropping then just tie it down...
DFWmd
DFWmdstarted grow question 6 months ago
Advice seems to be to tuck fan leaves so bud sites get more light. But don't plants work by light first going to leaves which send energy to flowers? A plant with leaves in shade and bud sites in light would do WORSE than v/v, right?
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Stickyone
Stickyoneanswered grow question 6 months ago
Tucking fan leaves in cannabis cultivation is a technique used to optimize light distribution and penetration within the canopy. While it may seem counterintuitive at first, tucking or removing some fan leaves can be beneficial for several reasons: Light Distribution: By tucking or removing fan leaves that are shading bud sites, you can ensure that more light reaches the lower parts of the plant where the potential bud sites are. This can help improve the overall yield and quality of your harvest. Air Circulation: Tucking leaves can also improve airflow within the canopy, reducing the risk of mold and mildew development, as well as promoting better overall plant health. Energy Allocation: Cannabis plants do require light for photosynthesis, which takes place primarily in the leaves. However, once energy is produced through photosynthesis, it is transported to different parts of the plant, including the flowers (buds). Tucking leaves doesn't stop the photosynthesis process; it redirects the energy flow to the areas that need it most, which are the developing buds. Pruning Strategy: Tucking fan leaves is often part of a broader pruning strategy that also includes selectively removing some leaves to improve light and airflow. This can help optimize the balance between energy production in the leaves and energy allocation to the buds. In summary, tucking fan leaves can help ensure that both leaves and bud sites receive an appropriate amount of light and energy. It's about creating a balance that maximizes the overall health and yield of your cannabis plants. However, it's essential to be mindful of not overpruning or removing too many leaves, as this can stress the plant. The specific approach may also depend on the strain and individual plant's needs, so it's a good practice to monitor your plants and adjust your techniques as necessary during the different growth stages.
DFWmd
DFWmdstarted grow question 6 months ago
There is still almost no smell from the flowers. Is that normal at this point? Today is 22 days into flower and the strain guide says flowering time is 9-12 weeks (63-84 days.)
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Ultraviolet
Ultravioletanswered grow question 6 months ago
Don't be afraid to rub your fingers in and around buds n see if there is any smell. Also sometimes you scratch the stem slightly and you will get a hint of the profile, kinda like a scratch n sniff.
DFWmd
DFWmdstarted grow question 5 months ago
How many more weeks before harvest? ILGM website says flowering is 9-12 weeks and I'm just about done with 7 weeks. I don't have great close-up photos of trichomes but when I look at them through a loupe I don't see any amber. Pistils now majority orange.
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Ctrellis90
Ctrellis90answered grow question 5 months ago
So grower cards are just there to give you an idea of how long your plants will generally take to flower. That being said, every Pheno is different and will finish at a different time depending on certain variables. Environment, nutrients etc. I would give her another week and keep checking your trichomes until you get your plant where you want her. Don't sacrifice your smoke! 30% amber is usually a good time to harvest.
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@DFWmd, this is good the Blue Dreams strain apparently has some therapeutic qualities I hope she does the trick for you πŸ™
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@Mr_toetastic, Thanks so much! Way better than I'd hoped!
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Monster stuff man! Keep doing your thing. They look gorgeous.
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@MeesterG, I'm so excited! Thanks for the support!
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@Lonelygrass, thanks so much!
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@Lemonhazelover, thanks for your support!