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White Widow Automatic
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Chrisor23 Chrisor23
5 months ago
----- Week 1 ----- Germination / Seedling Stage & About ------ ----- Day 1 and 2 ----- Seedling Stage ------ The motto of this thread is: if they die, they die - if they survive they will survive HST and LST (one of each seeds will encounter HST & LST, the Critical will be done with HST & LST just for science and experience purposes). It's my first ever grow and directly outdoors. Since its now legal and i have the permit to grow max. 15 plants, i will give it a shot. I decided just to pick about 6-7 plants, that should be enough for medical purposes in the family (picked the auto strains, just because of the "lesser" smell they should have. The Critical is just an experiment). Read a lot, watched a lot and decided to give it a try, just for fun! I will try to grow the following strains: 2x White Widdow Auto - RQS 2x Jack Herer Auto - RQS 2x Northern Light - RQS 1x Critical - RQS Germination was done in soil under the starter set from RQS with their easy plugs. Light is permanently on. Soil is "professional growing soil" from a local company here with perlite etc. The plants will grow in "lechuza" containers with "lechuza pond" down in the pots. Each container has a volume of 45 L ... In each container there will be two plants (beside the Critical, it got his own 45 L container). Let's hope they survive, if not the next round will begin :) ----- Day 3 ----- Seedling Stage ------ On the third day, three seeds (2x WW, 1x NL) where ready for planting in their final pot. 2x JH are getting into it (about 1cm height, should be tomorrow so far - at the end of day 3) The only left NL doesnt appear so far on the surface of the soil. 2x White Widdow, 1x NL, 1x Critical .. Planted in their final pots directly outdoor. ----- Day 4 ----- Seedling Stage ------ The Critical looks much better today!!! She went from being down, to uprising herself. She is the biggest Seedling so far! Wow! I just don't understand yet, why she has only two leaves so far. 2x JH got planted today in their final pots ... All other Ladys look great! They adapted their new homes and hopefully they will recover fast from the stress of potting!! The second NL didn't show any reaction, so I looked up ... The seed didn't germinate. I dropped in another two NL seeds in a soil starter plug, just to get another seedling, hopefully! Gave water to all of the seedlings, it was a pretty hot day. About 3/4 of a cup per Seedling. ----- Day 5 ----- Seedling Stage ------ Today the weather forecast showed that there will be rain in the night and it will get stormy (danger announcement from the goverment was given out to us). Decided to cover all plants with more soil and pressed them firmly a bit more into the soil (there are 1-1,5cm left from the bottom to the first baby leaves) Didn't water! Plants are doing great, they develop great!!!! It's insane!!! The both NL seeds didn't sprout so far, but only ~28 hours passed by since I planted them in the soil plugs. Hope my babys will survive, but I am looking positive on it! If they survive, they managed the hardest time directly on the 5th day (dangerous and stormy situations like that don't happen quite often here). Sadly I couldn't make any pictures, but tomorrow @05:30am I am waking up as usual and I will look after them and take a picture. :) ----- Day 6 ----- Seedling Stage ------ Luckily, all plants survived!!! Didn’t water today, due to previous rain and storm. The second NL still doesn’t appear. The growth of the plants is insane!!!!! ----- Day 7 ----- Seedling Stage ------ Finally the last NL got free in the morning. It was ready to get planted now. Got a third NL seedling too, I will try something out with it, maybe in a shady place just to get a feeling for the plant. Didn’t water today, the soil is still wet. Immense growth, just wow!!!! Critical is still the biggest, but I don’t get why she only has two leaves…. The lady’s are now 7 days old!!! :-) For this harsh conditions they were in two days ago, they are doing great! ----- Day 8 ----- Seedling Stage ------ Listened to the Community and killed the Dud „Critical“. Planted another NL instead in the big pot. Something grew out of her in the middle, but as you guys told me I don’t think it’s worth the effort… I germinated the Cannabis seeds with other seeds in the Starterkit, does it maybe have to do with that? I can’t imagine that this is the problem but maybe?!? No watering needed today, it will rain at least for several days like this.. I am concerned that the plants won’t receive enough light… Hmm it is what it is! I have chosen the last momentum this summer for this project, the reason: the summer this year here isn’t the best.. I think I won’t have to water my plants for two weeks when I look into the forecast…. ----- Day 9 ----- Seedling Stage ------ Nice growth from all plants, even if the sun isn’t out… It’s raining a lot … They look fine when I consider the permanently wet soil. Hopefully in 3-4 days it will stop raining…. ----- Day 10 ----- Seedling Stage ------ They are getting bigger and bigger!!!!! Only problem is I guess, they don't get the optimal light atm ... This summer here is just meh!!! No watering at all, the soil is overall wet, drainage works perfectly in the pots tho! (Only plant I gave water is the 3rd NL, she is under the roof of my little garden house and needed badly water) I rubbed the leaves a bit, was surprised that they are sticky and furry, smelled my fingers then, insane how the terpenes already smell!!!!! hehe :) Uploaded a picture of the Critical Mutation seed.. Somehow the site is buggy (Strains success is buggy somehow)...
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Grow Questions
Chrisor23
Chrisor23started grow question 5 months ago
I want to use neem oil als a preventive for diseases and insects. How long should I wait before I start with it? Do I even then apply it every week constantly? Couldn’t find anything while researching.
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001100010010011110answered grow question 5 months ago
It doesn't do much. i used to used it and have stopped. The only preventative thing i use is Bti, because too often larva come with the substrate you buy and there's no way to avoid it without pre-emptive action. the best preventative measures you can take, otherwise, is simply keeping a clean garden and control the environemnt. Don't leave fallen leaves to decay. Don't let RH go above 65 or below 30 etc. Don't get anywhere near the dewpoint -- primarly a concern after lights go out. As temperature drops, the absolute humidity stays the same but relative humidity rises as temps drop. It is surprisingly easy to get dew (condensation) on the leaves after the lights go out. A temp/rh probe helps here to avoid interrupting dark cycle of a photoperiod plant or if you grow autos, simply open it up and check on temp/rh/avoiding dew. standing water on the leaves will grow "something" evenetually. Avoid condensation on leaves at all costs. Bti will take care of any insects that come from larvea in the soil. Some stuff may still wander into your garden, but there's not much you can do about that. Have some pyrthrine concentrate on standby to mix up a kill-on-contact spray for bugs. Nothing is really safe to spray on a flower that you will later smoke or ingest (even if it's an extraction). Just be clean and control the environment, and that'll take care of 99% of the potential issues. some people have dirtier homes than others, so a littlel self-reflection may be necessary, too. if you live in a sty, you may need to take more actions. Or, maybe you just have a ton of house plants that attract all sorts of potential issues. Your home may have elevated risks and require more effort. Some sticky traps are good to have around too. I slap one up. In my garden it might catch 2-3 gnats over 100 days more times than not, but occasionally it pulls a bit more weight and they are cheap. the pack i bought 3 years ago is still half full.
Chrisor23
Chrisor23started grow question 5 months ago
Why does my Critical from RQS has only two leaves after one week? Is that some kind of mutation I should worry about?
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m0use
m0useanswered grow question 5 months ago
Would be curious to see what the seed looked like for this plant, was it round or more flat, colour or texture exct. I would have kept it till true leaves formed and seen wtf it was. but I was thinking it looked a lot like a bean/squash seedling and other have said the same thing. If you only got one of them and it was directly from RQS that is concerning. If you have any pics of it as just the seed or have pics of its seed caseing I'd be currious to see them.
Chrisor23
Chrisor23started grow question 5 months ago
I looked up a lot of informations when the plants is no longer in the seedling stage and moving into a "vegetative phase", some say there should be at least 7 pairs of leaves, others say that when the first pair of leaves if fully developed... What is the meta on this one? 😎
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001100010010011110answered grow question 5 months ago
These terms are a generalizations vs representing specific cause and effect. I would think of 'seedling' stage as a substage of vegetative phase, but that sort of thing is a bit arbitrary. Also, after flip to flower, the plant still grows leaves and elongating stems (a.k.a. "vegetative" growth) for 3-4+ weeks. so, you have 'vege' growth in flower phase, too. They could have categorized this as some transition or 3rd phase, but arbitrarily it was not organized that way. Maybe, in more advanced classes they do expand on those basic stages, i wouldn't know.
Chrisor23
Chrisor23started grow question 5 months ago
Do you guys think this action was a mistake? The weather here is 50-70km/h wind and nearly broke my plants right in front of my eyes… I did what I thought was the best… On one plant i did it to harsh, do you think it will survive? Should I leave it until 2morrow then cut it off?
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BerrySweetHigh
BerrySweetHighanswered grow question 5 months ago
Hello Chrisor23, You did good! Next time when growing outside place a bamboo stick from the start to help your plants during storms and other harsh weather. I used to start inside a small greenhouse and place the plants outside when they were strong enough to survive this weather. But your plants will be fine buddy! Happy Growing! 💚
Chrisor23
Chrisor23started grow question 5 months ago
Hey peepz! I am thinking about getting a tent for my garden house (wanted to convert the whole thing but it's future talk!). Do you guys have any recommedations? Should a 100cmx100cmx180cm work for about 3-4 plants? I am thinking about max 300w range of energy consume... 😉
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BerrySweetHigh
BerrySweetHighanswered grow question 4 months ago
Secret Jardin are great tents and pretty cheap. And the HOMEbox tents are the best quality. 300 watts is a great amount for this size tent. I would also go for 4 large plants with a SCROG net. But you can also go for 3x3 or even 4x4 pots for a SOG. Lot of options just depends on your preference. But again I would also go for 4 large fabrique pots (20-30 liters) with a SCROG net.
Chrisor23
Chrisor23started grow question 4 months ago
Hey peepz! Would this be the right time to top the plant? I don’t know if I should do it on an auto and outdoor grow with not optimal conditions. But just for interest, I would do it now, would it be correct?
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BerrySweetHigh
BerrySweetHighanswered grow question 4 months ago
Hello Chrisor23, You do NOT want to top an autoflower and you do NOT need to top outside. You want to top when the plant got 5-6 nodes, I would wait 1 more node and get rid of the bottom node. When you do this you've got 8 branches with buds that you can train in the right shape. Happy Growing Buddy! 💚
Chrisor23
Chrisor23started grow question 4 months ago
Hey peepz! I saw something on some leaves. Something like eggs I could remove easily too. Should I use Neem oil before the night? I just mixed it up. Should I maybe get into the foilage mixture Propolix too?
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BerrySweetHigh
BerrySweetHighanswered grow question 4 months ago
Hello Chrisor23, I do not agree with the answer below. No problem to use neem oil during vegging time and spray it on the leaves. You just do not want to spray it on your buds. Use only neem, 3 times this week and then never again then you will be fine. I did it like 100 times. Happy Growing Buddy! 💚
Chrisor23
Chrisor23started grow question 4 months ago
Hey peeps! I worry about one plant… All others went into flower / preflower .. this didn’t! I think it is a male, what do you guys think? The sister of him/her is already in flower, and about 1/3 less taller … hmm
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Mrs_Larimar
Mrs_Larimaranswered grow question 4 months ago
Patience , just patience, a male would have shown already. she will show her flowers soon, not every plant is the same, just think about you and your siblings( if you have) you are all different greetings
Chrisor23
Chrisor23started grow question 3 months ago
I am curious how to dry my plants when I harvest them. Here is a high humidity 60-70% and higher mostly and temperatures are atm about 20-30 Celsius (it varies a lot). Can dry them in my gardenhouse with a fan. Should I hang the whole plant to dry and dry trim them later? Thanks
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Roberts
Robertsanswered grow question 3 months ago
65F 60rh sark space indirect air moving. Keep humidity below 70. If not it is inviting mold. Keep temps lower. You want a slow controlled dry to preserve flowers profile and flavor.
Chrisor23
Chrisor23started grow question 3 months ago
Hey peepz! I am entering Week 8 tomorrow. I wanted to know if it is okay to trim of some of the lower leaves (that are obvious in dark) on my autoflowers? I snapped some yellowish with my finger today (was in a rush). Would do it then with clean scissors. What do you suggest?
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Organoman
Organomananswered grow question 3 months ago
I would suggest to only remove yellow leaves and leave all healthy green leaves to do their job of providing your plant with the energy she needs to grow to her fullest potential. Just remember......... Less leaves = less energy being made = less potential growth. Or to put it another way......... Maximum amount of healthy green leaves = maximum amount of energy production = maximum potential growth. Defoliation is not a necessary "technique" when growing cannabis. Personally, I never defoliate and have not done so for 35 out of 40 years of growing!
Chrisor23
Chrisor23started grow question 3 months ago
Hey peepz! I wonder if I can use Propolix Fungicide as sprayover the whole plant including buds? Or just as a threat for the soil? What do you recommend? Feel free to comment! Reason: I want to prevent mould as far as possible (humidity is insane high these days).
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m0use
m0useanswered grow question 3 months ago
Unless you trust that brand with your life I would not spray that on any plant with buds you plan on ingesting. Any way or form like edibles or smoking. If they say it is 100% water soluble and does not enter the plants system then maybe... but you will need to give them buds a serious washing end of grow and I just don;t like that as it can still get in places where the buds don't get washed. If you are worried about mold. don't grow compact dense indica strains. the more airy larfy sativias are better as they keep up the airflow in the buds and help prevent bud rot. They don't have great bad appeal but they can make some nice extracts and still smoke well. Keep up airflow and invest in a dehumidifier if you want to do this long term. It is worth it vs trying to live with the RH. I grow a lot outdoors and almost always I get a bit of bud root from end of season. it is what it is. or WPM outdoors. nothing to bad but I do toss out a bit of buds but free sunlight is worth it vs paying for hydro. Can't control it outdoors. Indoors is a different story. also broad spectrum treatment of the soil may have a net negative impact. Killing off all the good and bad fungi is not great, and the bad ones are normally more opportunistic and will take over. Don't use the product unless you have a reason to do so. After a quick google it looks like that product is useing something from bees, might be similar to Propolis. but it also might be mixed with other stuff and it branded cannabis use. I like the idea of it, I just don't trust a lot of Cannabis branded product to have great QC standards as they are sketchy companies. Reach out to the company and ask for testing data on what in the product. Good Luck!
Chrisor23
Chrisor23started grow question 3 months ago
Hey peeps! Have to make a decision. Cut plants off tomorrow in the evening or risk Mold. It will rain here for at least two days with high humidity afterwards. Would it be okay to test this first grow out? I know they are not full mature… Maybe not cut all? What do you think?
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Shinsimilla
Shinsimillaanswered grow question 3 months ago
100% leave them. They are way too early. I always use the analogy of fruit, imagine eating an apple or orange 3 weeks before it's ripe... Even worst case you have to chop some moldy bud out at the end you'll have a smaller bag of ripe juicy oranges, if you chop now, you'll have a full bag of tiny green, bitter oranges. It's unfortunately the risk you run outdoors. Just grow more because you always donate some to pests and weather. 😠
Chrisor23
Chrisor23started grow question 3 months ago
Hey peeps! Do you guys think it would be enough to “enlight“ my plants in the last weeks with this: https://marshydro.eu/products/marshydro-vg80-led/?lang=de Otherwise I would let them outside but actually the sun won’t show a lot in the next time. What do you think?
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Lerome
Leromeanswered grow question 3 months ago
That LED isnt gonna be quite enough for your ladies, They will be better off outdoors even without direct sunlight. Maybe you could give them some additional light outdoors for a couple of hours? But that really depends on you and the individual factors/possibilities you have.
Chrisor23
Chrisor23started grow question 3 months ago
Hey peepz! Anybody got experience with this light? Basically I emergency bought it but further use is safe if it’s good. As I can tell they are basically two XS1500 Pro. Watched reviews of Migro etc. so far I am not concerned. If you got some experience I would love to know!
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TheUk420Show
TheUk420Showanswered grow question 3 months ago
Meh you get what you pay for buddy and for the money you could get a much larger Bar led light which is much more powerful. Though its your money buddy you do what you want I haven't had this unit but I do have a 600watt panel light very similar to this I use for vegging and sometimes flowering and to be honest its a really good light but not as good as my bar led. best of luck anyway buddy :) its always best to check facebook market place for second hand units too as these lights often last years so a 2nd hand one could save your pocket alkot of cash :)
Chrisor23
Chrisor23started grow question 3 months ago
Hey peepz! Thinking about buying a Lumatek ATS 300W/200W Pro - So far the safest option I could find. Anyone another suggestion? It should have at least Class 1 IP65 certification, LVD certification with a real CE Certification. I am open minded! Thanks in advance! Chris
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Papa_T
Papa_Tanswered grow question 3 months ago
I’m team HLG. Great products and great customer service.
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Stormyluca
Stormylucaanswered grow question 3 months ago
Hey, Take a look at Sunlight they have really high quality lamps
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BakedPotato42O
BakedPotato42Oweek 4
Na was sagt man denn dazu?! Die sehen mittlerweile ja prächtig aus!😁👍 Ordentlich gewachsen, schön grün und gesund ❤️ Viel Spaß noch beim Grow und alles Gute Cheers💪
Chrisor23
Chrisor23
@BakedPotato42O, Hehe ja außer ein Problem mit Miniern ist alles in Ordnung !!! Das Wetter ist halt durchwachsen und auch mit starken Winden und Hagel hatten die Pflanzen zu kämpfen… aber haben sich bisher Prima gehalten, natürlich kann man kein optimales Wachstum erwarten aber bisher bin ich gut zufrieden. Ich wünsche dir auch viel Spaß beim grown danke 😌
BakedPotato42O
BakedPotato42Oweek 2
Ach, mach dir da keine Sorgen. Auch wenn der Sommer ggfs. etwas durchwachsen wird, sollten die Northern Lights das allemal durchstehen; sind ja auch für draußen gemacht 😉💪 Sehen auf jeden Fall alle sehr gesund aus👌
Chrisor23
Chrisor23
@BakedPotato42O, danke dir für die aufmunternden Worte… denkst du ich sollte den Draht morgen wieder entfernen und die Bambus Stöcke auch oder soll ich die drin lassen? Mache mir um die eine white widdow sorgen, hab sie als erstes angebunden und dann zu stark verdrahtet :/ Bilder sind im Journal
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Sejanus21
Sejanus21week 2
Viel Erfolg auch aus dem Westen. Ich baue White Widow Auto auch gerade an und bin für eine Auto zufrieden. Schöne, harzige Blüten.
Chrisor23
Chrisor23
@Sejanus21, cool, ich folge dir jetzt auch :-) Danke dir!!! Deine Pflanze sieht ja schon richtig richtig gut aus!!!
BakedPotato42O
BakedPotato42Oweek 0
Naja, nur die Harten kommen in den Garten 😆 Guten Grow und viel Spaß wünsche ich dir, du machst das schon 💪🌱
Chrisor23
Chrisor23
@BakedPotato42O, danke :-). Es ist nur ein Versuch, echt schwierig bei uns in DE bei diesem Sommer in diesem Jahr..
resi_max
resi_maxweek 0
Good luck and happy growing! 😁
Chrisor23
Chrisor23
@resi_max, thanks buddy. :)
BakedPotato42O
BakedPotato42Oweek 8
Sieht ja gut soweit aus. Ich war jetzt ein paar Wochen/Monate abwesend, aber scheinbar warst du weiter fleißig 👍 Auch wenn nicht immer alles rund läuft, nicht auf die Probleme gucken, sondern auf mögliche Lösungen... und bei Cannabis heißt das: wenn man keine Buds draus machen kann, mach Hash, Oil, Edibles oder Ähnliches draus 😎 Du schaffst das schon, ich glaub an dich 😘💪