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——- Week 8 ——- —- Day 50 —- It will be a hot sunny day today with 33 Celsius .. but somehow forecast is telling there will be a bit rain midday (just short). This summer is really meh! Looks like the girls liked the nutritions a lot, they stood upright yesterday like a 1 and you can tell by watching them that they are happy! I might have to harvest the plants earlier, maybe I got two weeks left and then a period of rain will start (about 3-4 days in a row). During that time the forecast tells about 2 days with rain in that two weeks…. I am a bit concerned. I will try to push it out, but once I reach end week 9 I think I will have to harvest them or lose everything to bud rot. Humidity here is always a problem so there will be problems after that kinda rain for sure. I am wondering what will happen in those days that are left … :) They look stunning and develop very nice for all the circumstances they where from beginning (one plant nearly killed by me, all young and in harsh conditions like heavy rain, very strong winds and even hail) but they all survived!!! Lack of sunlight here this summer did cause problems of growth for sure, but so far I am happy for my first grow and that pointed out directly outdoor. P.S.: Currently I am investing time to find a drying solution and watching out for tents too! ;) —- Day 51 —- Today the weather was about 25 Celsius, just passive Sun. It rained in the night. Dang the girls start to smell really strong! They are growing and developing the buds nice. I think i finally found a solution for drying. I will dry it in my garden house. Humidity there was now about 67% with 25 Celsius. But this can change when direct sun hits. Anyway will do it there! It is not ideal but not as high humidity as I thought. It is even dark there and I got plenty of room. I am considering getting an IP44 certified fan to get air moving around there! Still thinking about wet trimming or dry the whole plants. I got time so I don’t mind waiting, if everything works out I will first try them at the end of December so it is no deal for me to wait. Somewhere I read drying the whole plant in higher humidity is not recommended, others tell that’s the way to go… It is all a bit confusing! I can dry them in a rack too… I really don’t know what is the ideal way to go with this conditions. —- Day 52 —- Took pictures of Day 52 into the journal! Sadly the second Jack Herer still is not flowering :( I don’t think she will make it… But let’s see! Temperature was about 28 Celsius today. Not the whole day the sun shined but it was okay! Weather forecast doesn’t look very good sadly! Let’s see what will happen!!! —- Day 53—- Weather will be 25 Celsius today. Tomorrow it will rain. Made a decision based on the community opinions: Will try to finish my grow outdoor! The second Jack Herer will be chopped of by me (it still isn’t flowering). Will dry the plants leaves for tea. Gave them water in the morning (tap water standing about 30hours outside). —- Day 54 —- Woke up, saw rain. My heart cried when I saw the plants. All I saw is rot, rot and rot… INSTANTLY: Decided to buy a grow light with same delivery. Found VIPARSPECTRA XS3000 Pro … Only light that would fit my 4x2 grow needs (I posted the pictures in the diary)… I am so excited to see it running but gonna do work first in the garage to hang it up safely haha… Gonna buy a circuit breaker for the light and safety (there is already one in the circuit but gonna hang another one on it). Wahhhh lets see what will happen. I am hyped! Will keep the diary with new pictures up 2 date as soon as I am done (today or tomorrow). Question is will I start another quick growth before the winter hits ? Hmmmm should be enough time before temperatures drop! UPDATE DAY 54: All developing buds are soaked with rain. The plants overall are wet. Shaked them gently! Glad I decided to get a light and move them today!! There will be more rain in the night and the further days with not potent sun anyway. I am 99% sure they would rot all away in this conditions! Hopefully it didn’t start yet :/ LAST UPDATE DAY 54 Prepared everything the whole day, plants took place in the garage… Then I saw the light … Meh! I don’t like stuff that isn’t IP Certified in my garage (not even the driver)! I don’t even think it is a good sign if a Producer makes a symbol of „life in danger“ on the manual.. What the hell? Only minimal requirements for safety given, the light will go back and very very very sadly this was it for my first run mainly! They will get cut down tomorrow or the day after and dryed. My wife couldn’t handle the smell anymore and me neither (my whole house started smelling). But now I know it can take place in my garage .. :) To my suspect… three plants already have a lot of milky trichomes… Checked them with a 50x micro. Let's see what will turn out at least.. Gonna look up for another run soon, but gonna check out a higher certified and high quality light which is as safe as possible! Feel free to make suggestions in the comments or the question asked if you read this :-) But I still got something going on for the Diarie! *TADA* My ace: the 3rd NL ;) the last survivor… it has a nice spot at the end of my garden. Gonna update! At the end of the day, something is better then nothing I guess… :) I tried everything to safe this run but something is against it! Who knows for what this is good for!!!!! —- Day 55 —- Looking up for a new grow light!! Will start a late (how to call it) indoor / outdoor grow .. It's halfway into my garage which is always on one side half opened.... Lets call it hybrid grow! ;D If I start today with Autos they should finish nearly mid November So far I saw Lumatek with the ATS 300W Pro or ATS 200W Pro ... I like their concept so far! Even the website and that you can look up all certfificates etc. is an incredible + for myself to have trust in the electronics I am operating. They aren't cheap for sure but as I would call out directly, most safest grow lights I found so far but f.e. the next Dimension (their Zeus 465W Pro) is nearly trippeling in the price! Dang! Still looking after other Producers with at least Class 1 IP65 certification, LVD certification with a real CE Certification not the "Chinese Export" one .. ;) Will decide today and then I will order one light (but I am 90% sure it will be a Lumatek). So well if I start the order, new seeds will go in and a new diarie will be born! Thinking about beginning soon to cut down the girls. I will dry what they so far made in a meshnet. Bought one with six towers, should be plenty of space to do the job. They will dry in my garage - Humidity yesterday there was 45-55 % while I was working there and preparing everything! Temperature a bit on the higher side with 25-26°C but this will be a banger for me while growing there. It safes a lot of warmth there and the heavy summer days here are anyway gone for this year!!! There will be only rain and cloudy days mostly with some kinda sunny days. Wanted to dry in my Gardenhouse, but now it is full because of the emergency situation I tried to handle and get a decent grow space made up in my garage as fast as possible .... Which I actually did and handled but ...... ;/ It was a good decision I made yesterday, the lights weren't trustworthy (that's just my opinion!) - not even the internet site of the producer was online, neither could I look up the light I bought on their site .. Overall absolutly no go for me! But beside that - It is raining today here as hell, they would have begin to rot 100%. Yesterday it rained the whole night and in the morning, all underdevolped/premature buds were soaked full of rain .. During the day at least they mostly dried up... The last survivor standing under a little shed is doing good, she is the prettiest plant I got anyway (didn't share pictures of it a long time because I tried to handle the jungle first). Will update the Diarie with her and with the drying of the young jungle plants! Overall so far it was a good first experience growing. I love to do it and to read and watch a lot about it. I got hooked up to growing I guess..... 😝
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Grow Questions
Chrisor23
Chrisor23started grow question 5 months ago
I want to use neem oil als a preventive for diseases and insects. How long should I wait before I start with it? Do I even then apply it every week constantly? Couldn’t find anything while researching.
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001100010010011110answered grow question 5 months ago
It doesn't do much. i used to used it and have stopped. The only preventative thing i use is Bti, because too often larva come with the substrate you buy and there's no way to avoid it without pre-emptive action. the best preventative measures you can take, otherwise, is simply keeping a clean garden and control the environemnt. Don't leave fallen leaves to decay. Don't let RH go above 65 or below 30 etc. Don't get anywhere near the dewpoint -- primarly a concern after lights go out. As temperature drops, the absolute humidity stays the same but relative humidity rises as temps drop. It is surprisingly easy to get dew (condensation) on the leaves after the lights go out. A temp/rh probe helps here to avoid interrupting dark cycle of a photoperiod plant or if you grow autos, simply open it up and check on temp/rh/avoiding dew. standing water on the leaves will grow "something" evenetually. Avoid condensation on leaves at all costs. Bti will take care of any insects that come from larvea in the soil. Some stuff may still wander into your garden, but there's not much you can do about that. Have some pyrthrine concentrate on standby to mix up a kill-on-contact spray for bugs. Nothing is really safe to spray on a flower that you will later smoke or ingest (even if it's an extraction). Just be clean and control the environment, and that'll take care of 99% of the potential issues. some people have dirtier homes than others, so a littlel self-reflection may be necessary, too. if you live in a sty, you may need to take more actions. Or, maybe you just have a ton of house plants that attract all sorts of potential issues. Your home may have elevated risks and require more effort. Some sticky traps are good to have around too. I slap one up. In my garden it might catch 2-3 gnats over 100 days more times than not, but occasionally it pulls a bit more weight and they are cheap. the pack i bought 3 years ago is still half full.
Chrisor23
Chrisor23started grow question 5 months ago
Why does my Critical from RQS has only two leaves after one week? Is that some kind of mutation I should worry about?
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m0use
m0useanswered grow question 5 months ago
Would be curious to see what the seed looked like for this plant, was it round or more flat, colour or texture exct. I would have kept it till true leaves formed and seen wtf it was. but I was thinking it looked a lot like a bean/squash seedling and other have said the same thing. If you only got one of them and it was directly from RQS that is concerning. If you have any pics of it as just the seed or have pics of its seed caseing I'd be currious to see them.
Chrisor23
Chrisor23started grow question 5 months ago
I looked up a lot of informations when the plants is no longer in the seedling stage and moving into a "vegetative phase", some say there should be at least 7 pairs of leaves, others say that when the first pair of leaves if fully developed... What is the meta on this one? 😎
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001100010010011110answered grow question 5 months ago
These terms are a generalizations vs representing specific cause and effect. I would think of 'seedling' stage as a substage of vegetative phase, but that sort of thing is a bit arbitrary. Also, after flip to flower, the plant still grows leaves and elongating stems (a.k.a. "vegetative" growth) for 3-4+ weeks. so, you have 'vege' growth in flower phase, too. They could have categorized this as some transition or 3rd phase, but arbitrarily it was not organized that way. Maybe, in more advanced classes they do expand on those basic stages, i wouldn't know.
Chrisor23
Chrisor23started grow question 5 months ago
Do you guys think this action was a mistake? The weather here is 50-70km/h wind and nearly broke my plants right in front of my eyes… I did what I thought was the best… On one plant i did it to harsh, do you think it will survive? Should I leave it until 2morrow then cut it off?
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BerrySweetHigh
BerrySweetHighanswered grow question 5 months ago
Hello Chrisor23, You did good! Next time when growing outside place a bamboo stick from the start to help your plants during storms and other harsh weather. I used to start inside a small greenhouse and place the plants outside when they were strong enough to survive this weather. But your plants will be fine buddy! Happy Growing! 💚
Chrisor23
Chrisor23started grow question 4 months ago
Hey peepz! I am thinking about getting a tent for my garden house (wanted to convert the whole thing but it's future talk!). Do you guys have any recommedations? Should a 100cmx100cmx180cm work for about 3-4 plants? I am thinking about max 300w range of energy consume... 😉
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BerrySweetHigh
BerrySweetHighanswered grow question 4 months ago
Secret Jardin are great tents and pretty cheap. And the HOMEbox tents are the best quality. 300 watts is a great amount for this size tent. I would also go for 4 large plants with a SCROG net. But you can also go for 3x3 or even 4x4 pots for a SOG. Lot of options just depends on your preference. But again I would also go for 4 large fabrique pots (20-30 liters) with a SCROG net.
Chrisor23
Chrisor23started grow question 4 months ago
Hey peepz! Would this be the right time to top the plant? I don’t know if I should do it on an auto and outdoor grow with not optimal conditions. But just for interest, I would do it now, would it be correct?
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BerrySweetHigh
BerrySweetHighanswered grow question 4 months ago
Hello Chrisor23, You do NOT want to top an autoflower and you do NOT need to top outside. You want to top when the plant got 5-6 nodes, I would wait 1 more node and get rid of the bottom node. When you do this you've got 8 branches with buds that you can train in the right shape. Happy Growing Buddy! 💚
Chrisor23
Chrisor23started grow question 4 months ago
Hey peepz! I saw something on some leaves. Something like eggs I could remove easily too. Should I use Neem oil before the night? I just mixed it up. Should I maybe get into the foilage mixture Propolix too?
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BerrySweetHigh
BerrySweetHighanswered grow question 4 months ago
Hello Chrisor23, I do not agree with the answer below. No problem to use neem oil during vegging time and spray it on the leaves. You just do not want to spray it on your buds. Use only neem, 3 times this week and then never again then you will be fine. I did it like 100 times. Happy Growing Buddy! 💚
Chrisor23
Chrisor23started grow question 3 months ago
Hey peeps! I worry about one plant… All others went into flower / preflower .. this didn’t! I think it is a male, what do you guys think? The sister of him/her is already in flower, and about 1/3 less taller … hmm
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Mrs_Larimar
Mrs_Larimaranswered grow question 3 months ago
Patience , just patience, a male would have shown already. she will show her flowers soon, not every plant is the same, just think about you and your siblings( if you have) you are all different greetings
Chrisor23
Chrisor23started grow question 3 months ago
I am curious how to dry my plants when I harvest them. Here is a high humidity 60-70% and higher mostly and temperatures are atm about 20-30 Celsius (it varies a lot). Can dry them in my gardenhouse with a fan. Should I hang the whole plant to dry and dry trim them later? Thanks
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Roberts
Robertsanswered grow question 3 months ago
65F 60rh sark space indirect air moving. Keep humidity below 70. If not it is inviting mold. Keep temps lower. You want a slow controlled dry to preserve flowers profile and flavor.
Chrisor23
Chrisor23started grow question 3 months ago
Hey peepz! I am entering Week 8 tomorrow. I wanted to know if it is okay to trim of some of the lower leaves (that are obvious in dark) on my autoflowers? I snapped some yellowish with my finger today (was in a rush). Would do it then with clean scissors. What do you suggest?
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Organoman
Organomananswered grow question 3 months ago
I would suggest to only remove yellow leaves and leave all healthy green leaves to do their job of providing your plant with the energy she needs to grow to her fullest potential. Just remember......... Less leaves = less energy being made = less potential growth. Or to put it another way......... Maximum amount of healthy green leaves = maximum amount of energy production = maximum potential growth. Defoliation is not a necessary "technique" when growing cannabis. Personally, I never defoliate and have not done so for 35 out of 40 years of growing!
Chrisor23
Chrisor23started grow question 3 months ago
Hey peepz! I wonder if I can use Propolix Fungicide as sprayover the whole plant including buds? Or just as a threat for the soil? What do you recommend? Feel free to comment! Reason: I want to prevent mould as far as possible (humidity is insane high these days).
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m0use
m0useanswered grow question 3 months ago
Unless you trust that brand with your life I would not spray that on any plant with buds you plan on ingesting. Any way or form like edibles or smoking. If they say it is 100% water soluble and does not enter the plants system then maybe... but you will need to give them buds a serious washing end of grow and I just don;t like that as it can still get in places where the buds don't get washed. If you are worried about mold. don't grow compact dense indica strains. the more airy larfy sativias are better as they keep up the airflow in the buds and help prevent bud rot. They don't have great bad appeal but they can make some nice extracts and still smoke well. Keep up airflow and invest in a dehumidifier if you want to do this long term. It is worth it vs trying to live with the RH. I grow a lot outdoors and almost always I get a bit of bud root from end of season. it is what it is. or WPM outdoors. nothing to bad but I do toss out a bit of buds but free sunlight is worth it vs paying for hydro. Can't control it outdoors. Indoors is a different story. also broad spectrum treatment of the soil may have a net negative impact. Killing off all the good and bad fungi is not great, and the bad ones are normally more opportunistic and will take over. Don't use the product unless you have a reason to do so. After a quick google it looks like that product is useing something from bees, might be similar to Propolis. but it also might be mixed with other stuff and it branded cannabis use. I like the idea of it, I just don't trust a lot of Cannabis branded product to have great QC standards as they are sketchy companies. Reach out to the company and ask for testing data on what in the product. Good Luck!
Chrisor23
Chrisor23started grow question 3 months ago
Hey peeps! Have to make a decision. Cut plants off tomorrow in the evening or risk Mold. It will rain here for at least two days with high humidity afterwards. Would it be okay to test this first grow out? I know they are not full mature… Maybe not cut all? What do you think?
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Shinsimilla
Shinsimillaanswered grow question 3 months ago
100% leave them. They are way too early. I always use the analogy of fruit, imagine eating an apple or orange 3 weeks before it's ripe... Even worst case you have to chop some moldy bud out at the end you'll have a smaller bag of ripe juicy oranges, if you chop now, you'll have a full bag of tiny green, bitter oranges. It's unfortunately the risk you run outdoors. Just grow more because you always donate some to pests and weather. 😠
Chrisor23
Chrisor23started grow question 3 months ago
Hey peeps! Do you guys think it would be enough to “enlight“ my plants in the last weeks with this: https://marshydro.eu/products/marshydro-vg80-led/?lang=de Otherwise I would let them outside but actually the sun won’t show a lot in the next time. What do you think?
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Lerome
Leromeanswered grow question 3 months ago
That LED isnt gonna be quite enough for your ladies, They will be better off outdoors even without direct sunlight. Maybe you could give them some additional light outdoors for a couple of hours? But that really depends on you and the individual factors/possibilities you have.
Chrisor23
Chrisor23started grow question 3 months ago
Hey peepz! Anybody got experience with this light? Basically I emergency bought it but further use is safe if it’s good. As I can tell they are basically two XS1500 Pro. Watched reviews of Migro etc. so far I am not concerned. If you got some experience I would love to know!
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TheUk420Show
TheUk420Showanswered grow question 3 months ago
Meh you get what you pay for buddy and for the money you could get a much larger Bar led light which is much more powerful. Though its your money buddy you do what you want I haven't had this unit but I do have a 600watt panel light very similar to this I use for vegging and sometimes flowering and to be honest its a really good light but not as good as my bar led. best of luck anyway buddy :) its always best to check facebook market place for second hand units too as these lights often last years so a 2nd hand one could save your pocket alkot of cash :)
Chrisor23
Chrisor23started grow question 3 months ago
Hey peepz! Thinking about buying a Lumatek ATS 300W/200W Pro - So far the safest option I could find. Anyone another suggestion? It should have at least Class 1 IP65 certification, LVD certification with a real CE Certification. I am open minded! Thanks in advance! Chris
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Papa_T
Papa_Tanswered grow question 3 months ago
I’m team HLG. Great products and great customer service.
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Stormyluca
Stormylucaanswered grow question 3 months ago
Hey, Take a look at Sunlight they have really high quality lamps
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BakedPotato42O
BakedPotato42Oweek 4
Na was sagt man denn dazu?! Die sehen mittlerweile ja prächtig aus!😁👍 Ordentlich gewachsen, schön grün und gesund ❤️ Viel Spaß noch beim Grow und alles Gute Cheers💪
Chrisor23
Chrisor23
@BakedPotato42O, Hehe ja außer ein Problem mit Miniern ist alles in Ordnung !!! Das Wetter ist halt durchwachsen und auch mit starken Winden und Hagel hatten die Pflanzen zu kämpfen… aber haben sich bisher Prima gehalten, natürlich kann man kein optimales Wachstum erwarten aber bisher bin ich gut zufrieden. Ich wünsche dir auch viel Spaß beim grown danke 😌
BakedPotato42O
BakedPotato42Oweek 2
Ach, mach dir da keine Sorgen. Auch wenn der Sommer ggfs. etwas durchwachsen wird, sollten die Northern Lights das allemal durchstehen; sind ja auch für draußen gemacht 😉💪 Sehen auf jeden Fall alle sehr gesund aus👌
Chrisor23
Chrisor23
@BakedPotato42O, danke dir für die aufmunternden Worte… denkst du ich sollte den Draht morgen wieder entfernen und die Bambus Stöcke auch oder soll ich die drin lassen? Mache mir um die eine white widdow sorgen, hab sie als erstes angebunden und dann zu stark verdrahtet :/ Bilder sind im Journal
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Sejanus21
Sejanus21week 2
Viel Erfolg auch aus dem Westen. Ich baue White Widow Auto auch gerade an und bin für eine Auto zufrieden. Schöne, harzige Blüten.
Chrisor23
Chrisor23
@Sejanus21, cool, ich folge dir jetzt auch :-) Danke dir!!! Deine Pflanze sieht ja schon richtig richtig gut aus!!!
BakedPotato42O
BakedPotato42Oweek 0
Naja, nur die Harten kommen in den Garten 😆 Guten Grow und viel Spaß wünsche ich dir, du machst das schon 💪🌱
Chrisor23
Chrisor23
@BakedPotato42O, danke :-). Es ist nur ein Versuch, echt schwierig bei uns in DE bei diesem Sommer in diesem Jahr..
resi_max
resi_maxweek 0
Good luck and happy growing! 😁
Chrisor23
Chrisor23
@resi_max, thanks buddy. :)
BakedPotato42O
BakedPotato42Oweek 8
Sieht ja gut soweit aus. Ich war jetzt ein paar Wochen/Monate abwesend, aber scheinbar warst du weiter fleißig 👍 Auch wenn nicht immer alles rund läuft, nicht auf die Probleme gucken, sondern auf mögliche Lösungen... und bei Cannabis heißt das: wenn man keine Buds draus machen kann, mach Hash, Oil, Edibles oder Ähnliches draus 😎 Du schaffst das schon, ich glaub an dich 😘💪