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PB2000 (LM281B) LED/200W
Custom
PB2000 (LM281B) LED/200W
Custom
Mars Hydro 6in
Custom
Mars Hydro 6in
Custom
Indoor
Room Type
LST
weeks 1-4, 4
FIMing
weeks 3
ScrOG
weeks 4, 4-9
Defoliation
weeks 6-9
Soil
Grow medium
Perlite
Grow medium
Vermiculite
Grow medium
Coco Coir
Grow medium
Mycorrhiza
Grow medium
19 L
Pot Size
Strain
Auto Tangie
Buddha Seeds
Growing it
Easy
Resistance
Strong
No issues whatsoever, except slight nute and light burn (my mistake 100%). I did a few things far from perfect, but she took it like a champ and grew many majestic colas, producing 1g/W!
The Outcome
Week 12
Harvest
What's on the scales?
267
gram
ounce
Bud dry weight
Harvested
1
Number of plants harvested
Grow Room
0.36
ft²
Grow Room size
1.19
g / watt
741.67
g / m²
267
g / plant
2.78
plant / m²
625
watt / m²
Feels like
100% Sativa 0% Indica

Positive effects

Energetic
Creative
Giggly

Negative effects

Dry mouth

Medical effects

Stress
Depression
Reviews. Nutrient
Bud Factor X in combination with other nutes from my selection, and especially CarboLoad, creates brown goo tissue in the solution, and that stuff has clogged my watering system three or four times. That was not fun. Not having a coarse filter is on me, sure, but I wouldn't want to clean it every time either. With that level of goo it would probably clog per every liter of filtered solution. In the presence of Overdrive, I don't see much value in Big Bud, if we go by guaranteed analysis. Effect and effectiveness of CarboLoad is very questionable to me, I cannot objectively measure it.
Reviews. Tent
A 6" exit at the top, but no 6" inlet at the bottom of the tent, only 4" — WHY? The extractor fan creates such a low pressure even at 2/10 power that it sucks the sides of the tent in a good few centimetres. And this pushes the plant around. Only one inlet at the bottom, so if you want cold air to get in from the floor level, forget about routing any cables there. Please add a door attachment point further back to make the door sit flush with the left side of the tent when secured open. Please add some attachment points to be able to place a ventilation / grow controller over the front facing floppy fabric ear thing with the logo on it. The price was very good, though! So great value overall, even if somewhat compromised.
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Harvest time has come. It is difficult to kill a plant I have been raising so lovingly and with a lot of care as a wonderful living being that she is (and we all are as One). I even stayed up all night once to do a slow full 3x flush of the soil with emergency pH correction and buffering when I finally received the meters and looked at runoff values. It was almost like manually pumping a blood transfusion for a patient overnight. The idea to grow indoors came as a lightning and almost by a random chance. It was, of course, a synchronicity of a high order, because that flash coincided precisely with a rare moment where I had a small window of time to collect seeds of my choice in person and transport them safely and very quickly. And get extremely helpful advice from a moderately experienced grower, who helped me avoid self-taught rookie mistakes and pick an almost perfect setup for my purposes. Many steps I have learned only when it was time to take them, and since there's only so much I can do in a day, I got to some procedures like instrumentally checking salt buildup and substrate pH pretty late. I did monitor her leaves from the get-go, so leaving aside a light nute / photon burn of the tips, I think it went pretty well. Definitely better than I would have imagined! I wanted to do a small sitting meditation beside the plant before cutting her to dry. Wanted to thank the plant for this majestic experience and the healing power of gardening and caring for a plant on top of the medicinal values of cured buds and edibles we made along the way from trimmed fans. Those were unexpectedly strong and pleasantly smoooth. Wanted to tell her that I will miss her and remember her fondly, especially since she is my first full successful grow. The first time is always an unforgettable experience. Wanted to tell her that I do not want to kill her, and it was painful for me to FIM and shape her. A sitting meditation turned into a dynamic meditation when I started removing light gear and feeding system and cleaning the grow space in preparation for drying. Pretty quickly I noticed that I have a very real feeling of experiencing light- to medium-dose mushroom trip. I had vaped some 50/50 hybrid street bud half an hour earlier, but it was a very modest dose — shout out to TinyMight, you guys are amazing! — but no psychedelics. At that moment I felt that I don't need to say anything to the plant, because we are one and she had known my every feeling and intention from the start. And then I realized that what I had considered to be a sombre event, is just a transformation for the plant, it's next manifestation. Having lived as a plant, she will now transform into happy and healing experiences of those who will enjoy her flowers. This plant has supported me and helped me heal deep trauma and depression at least twice in my life over a period of a few months on each occasion. In between those healing periods it was just a get high and enjoy shit because why not kind of thing, and it didn't have any long lasting psychological effect at all, in stark contrast to classical psychedelics (LSD, shrooms, DMT etc). During those non-healing periods I didn't even have an urge to smoke all that often. I could easily not touch the stuff for a couple of months straight. My yearly consumption was in low single digit grams. Sometimes I felt that I did not enjoy the effect at all, it was slightly unpleasant even. Why would I want to blur my crisp perception to a gooey marshmallow state of cannabinoid high and scattered attention? But when it is time to do some inner work — and you cannot miss this feeling if you strive to tune into your inner state — god, is it a POWERFUL plant! I am very happy and humbled to be a conduit for this energy by caring for the plants and raising them. I respect this plant very deeply. --- Split her into thee parts by leaving only a few nodes creating the outer layer of colas on each level and effectively "topping" her a couple of levels above (or below, technically, now that she's upside down) and this creating a new drying layer/level. Tried wet trimming and I think I liked it. Will try to complete it in the next 1-2 days if I decide to go ahead with the idea. --- After drying for 7 days, I stabilized humidity at 60-62% for 4 hours and then chopped off buds (trimmed in batches during the first 3 days of drying), weighed and packed into glass jars for curing. Literally packed, because she yielded over 4 litres of dried trimmed bud (I think it was 4.5l) weighing 267g. WOW. I did not expect that on my first run I will be able to grow so much potent medicine. A lot of it is fluffy, but can be easily pressed denser, if storage or appearance are a concern. In fact, I had to press the buds slightly to make it all fit in two 2-litre jars. Thank you to everyone who helped me along the way and thank you for your warm wishes! And thank you — the One reading this right now.
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Grow Questions
tangie
tangiestarted grow question 5 months ago
Any feedback and / or suggestions on improving my FIMing technique 🎋 are welcome! Beginning of week 3. For the next week (FIM recovery) should I keep adding Micro (2-0-0)? I’ve seen suggestions to ease off on Nitrogen for a week, but the bottles say always use all three parts
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Techniques. FIMing
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BerrySweetHigh
BerrySweetHighanswered grow question 5 months ago
Hello tang1e, The FIM looks great! No, don't change the amount of nutrients. Your plant is healthy so you are giving the right amount. The FIM does not change anything about the nutrients intake from your plant. Happy Growing Buddy! 💚
tangie
tangiestarted grow question 4 months ago
First grow. Looking at FIM results I'm super confused! It looks like if I had waited for the next segment to emerge and topped it (pics), I would get the same 4 branches (potential colas) AND 4 fan leaves which I have lost now due to FIM? Did FIM benefit here at all vs Topping?
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Techniques. Topping
Techniques. FIMing
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MalumProhibitum
MalumProhibitumanswered grow question 4 months ago
Excellent question! Short answer: Stoner science 😋 Long answer: You could just train the plant and expose the side branches to get same results + the extra leaves like you mentioned. The same goes for topping, where you can just train the plant, expose the side-suckers to the light (normally they get shaded by the main top, while forcing the top growth downwards. By limiting light exposure to the main top-growth and force it downwards you let more light hit the suckers, who will start growing and develop to 2x new tops, while the original top grows horisontally and develops 2 new suckers and the process goes on until you have enough colas and switch to 12/12 light. Example: growdiaries.com/diaries/191839-barney-039-s-farm-dos-si-dos-33-grow-journal-by-malumprohibitum/week/1105741 Hope it helps! 👍😉 --Good luck!
tangie
tangiestarted grow question 4 months ago
For a better yield, should I aggressively (but gently) bend main leading branches and tuck all shading fans to expose young 'undergrowth' branches (circled) and bud sites to light, or, inversely, untuck fans and straighten leading branches to give more light energy to them?
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Techniques. LST
Techniques. ScrOG
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001100010010011110
001100010010011110answered grow question 4 months ago
surface area is the key. if you make more holes in the canopy and more light passes through the plant without hitting a leaf, it is a net-negative. ATP, the primary product of photosynthesis, is highly mobile. Apical dominance dictates where it is used, and not dictated by where it was produced. It goes from the leaves into the phloem for use when not stored. where the light hits does not dictate where the sugars will be used. there's other reasons to try to reduced proportion of larf and this or that, but in the end it mainly just reduces yield, which is fine if you have no use for larf. I don't do extracts so i try to lolipop the trash at bottom. i try to have a good understanding of how deep my plants produce good buds and stick within that range. Sounds counter-intuitive but try to stick to 2.5-3 colas per sq ft. you'll minimize larf and get awesome light penetration too without any effort while still have a solid canopy with no gaps as it fills out. If you want less trash buds, that's the best way to go.
tangie
tangiestarted grow question 3 months ago
Auto, day 60. Best pics I can take until magnifier arrives (overexposed?) Aiming for cerebral fx, no couch lock (
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Buds. Other
Other. Harvest - Drying
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001100010010011110
001100010010011110answered grow question 3 months ago
Make suer to look at more than just the top colas. Ignore the trichomes on the leaves. I don't see much amber. Though i see a lot more 'plastic' than 'glass' (glassy being less ripe). I'd lean toward waiting longer but each to their own. 60d for an auto would be quite fast. Double check the lower bud sites.. if they aren't plump give it more time or consider cutting the tops off and letting the rest cook a bit longer.
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tangie
tangiecommentedweek 35 months ago
@modmyplants Thanks a lot for answering my question! I have uploaded another photo to week 3 which is much more true to the actual plant colour. Camera gets colours too wrong, but I didn't realise it was of importance for this question and didn't bother fixing it.
modmyplants
modmyplantscommented5 months ago
@tangie, yes the color looks better on the photo now. But still wouldnt cut out Nitrogen. Its quintessential for the growth. Color is always the first appearing indicator for certain things and good to know about, since then you wont have any damage and can react in time.
Hawk2
Hawk2commentedweek 93 months ago
Beautiful grow - Keep it up buddy 🌱🍀🥦💚
tangie
tangiecommented3 months ago
@Hawk2, Thank you mate!
KushParty
KushPartycommentedweek 64 months ago
Looks awesome 💣 💣 💣
tangie
tangiecommented4 months ago
@@KushParty, Thank you!
IstrGrow
IstrGrowcommentedweek 15 months ago
Happy growing! Look's great! Good luck 😺😺
tangie
tangiecommented5 months ago
@IstrGrow, Thank you brother! Spontaneously started my first proper sensor-controlled box grow (was planning to plant outdoors originally) under relentless guidance of ChatGPT 4 😁 Catching up on literature and best practices as I go along.
OppaGanjaStyle
OppaGanjaStylecommentedweek 15 months ago
Happy growing! Enjoy it! 👽😮‍💨
tangie
tangiecommented5 months ago
@OppaGanjaStyle, 🙏 I am enjoying it now, in the only moment that really exists :) Such a healing experience of re-connection with nature!
tangie
tangiecommentedweek 54 months ago
@001100010010011110 Thank you for your in-depth and technical answer to my ScrOG tucking question! It all makes sense now. I didn't know that ATP was that mobile. I learn as I go :D It would be great if you could review my other unanswered question on FIMing vs Topping, if you're experienced with those techniques. I have not yet found any credible, factual evidence that FIMing can lead to more branches/colas being produced vs Topping. People talk about FIM producing "3, 4 or even up to 7" leading colas instead of the original one, but I see no pictures or data to support that. Where do those extra branches grow out from? And this actually links well to your previous answer, because in FIMing you lose two fans. If you top and keep the fans, they will provide your plant with more ATP, which, I assume, would lead to faster and easier recovery and higher net leaf surface area of the plant at any later point in time, if (hypothetically) compared to exactly the same plant, growing in exactly same conditions, but FIMed above (at) the same node. Is this ("FIMing can produce more colas than Topping") just a completely fabricated self-perpetuating urban legend, or what? Thanks! Edit: By "unanswered" I meant to say that I have received very valuable advice, and I appreciate that a lot, but I have not received a direct answer to my very specific question :)
001100010010011110
001100010010011110commented4 months ago
@tangie, i don't give a shit if you select an answer, lol - the least important thing is that contest. and, you'll find a lot of people don't beleive what i said, but is in fact true. fimming is topping. topping is mutilating a portion of the plant to cause auxin to distribute more widely, causing more widely distributed growth. All that happens with a "FIM is that you don't quite cut off the growth tip and what remains can recover and form new axillary branches. You don't need to cut the fan leaves, like you said, so avoid it - just a portion of the growth tip is necessary. It's unpredictable and tough to plan around, so not something i've tried more than a few times for shits and grins. I'm sure if you do it enuogh you can find the point at which you get nearly guaranteed results but wether its 2+1 or 2+2 or 2+3 is maybe less certain (2 axilllary buds that exist plus what comes out of the mutilated growth tip). training will always be more efficient as far as saving vege time vs pruning growth off. There's no circumventing rate of growth that results from your environemnt. We can spread it out, but we can't change the overall rate too much. is it more efficient growth if spread out? maybe? but i wouldn't assume that. cutting off growth always is wasted resources/time. not saying it isn't useful or good to do, but that is what needs to be balanced when choosing to do so. With that sad i do both. i probably cost myself a 1-3 days of extra vege but it's a better distributed canopy - foundation of canopy anyway. As far as canopy management, i'd strongly recommend having an end goal/target and working backward from that to compose a strategy to get there. 2.5-3 colas per sq ft will ensure max yield and excellent light penetration while also fully covering the area. FIM'ing is 'neat' to showcase, but not something you can plan around consistently. it takes a little faith because even the first week of flower it's not fully filled in, but it'll get there. I'm sure i said it already -- cocoforcannabis.com has the best information with the least bro-science corruption. the guides and the dr photon's corner articles are all good. bruce bugbee is also another excellent no-frills source. IF it sounds like and advertisment with lots of bold promises, it's probably bogus information. "25% greater yield!" bullshit, lol.. unless it's supplementing co2, and even that isn't cost-effective.
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tangie
tangiecommentedweek 123 months ago
What the fuck, 267g (9.42oz) of 60% RH dried trimmed bud 😅 😎 🙏
tangie
tangiecommentedweek 93 months ago
This is quite a spontaneous grow, and I have been building the grow space and purchasing necessary equipment on the go. It took a while before came about purchasing a reliable pH meter, and I didn't pay much attention to nutrient buildup and runoff pH. Didn't pH-condition the substrate before planting either. Previously I was going purely by plant health and recommended nutrient dosages. With leaf tips and ridges continuing to yellow, I suspected that there can be nutrient build-up in the substrate. Short internodes on a heavily sativa-dominant plant also hinted at N excess. Although it could just be Ruderalis genetics, we'll never know now. I finally got to checking the runoff pH and it was down to 4.3. Completely flushed the medium with pH-upped water to bring pH to 6.1. Took long enough that I didn't have time to push it all the way up to 6.5. With the last flush I also added CalMag just in case. As a bonus, I do now have ~15l of concentrated nutrient solution 😁 Lesson learned.
tangie
tangiecommentedweek 64 months ago
Did not adjust to the plant's growing water consumption and she was left in drying soil overnight a couple of days ago (it was still slightly moist in the evening). By the morning her leaf tips were dry and yellow. I think perlite makes it more difficult to judge remaining moisture contents because of its water buffering effect. You never know exactly how much moisture it still holds. I guess it comes with experience (or pot scales).
tangie
tangiecommentedweek 54 months ago
🌞🌞🌞 Added 4 x 7W strips with blue and red LEDs, at 28W total. Purpose: transmit light energy to "undergrowth" and lower-level fans. Will see if she responds well.
tangie
tangiecommentedweek 44 months ago
Experimenting with CO2 tabs. Put one in a soda can filled with water and placed the can inside the tent at the beginning of the "day". The room was semi-sealed also.
tangie
tangiecommentedweek 25 months ago
She's responding to increased LED power and 1/2 nutrient solution very well. 🌞🌞🌞 The lamp is currently at PPFD 850 umol/m2/s
tangie
tangiecommentedweek 15 months ago
💦💦💦 Tap water pH came back at 8.0, Advanced Nutrients pH Perfect 3-part 1/2 solution (Micro + Grow + Bloom) based on the same water came back at 6.5, fully justifying the name of the product! Tested with HMD PH-80.