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TheBug TheBug
5 years ago
Hello! Complete and total noob here making my first attempt at a grow. I'm in an illegal state, although with the slight hope that by the time I'm harvesting it will be legal, but haven't had an issue with getting weed . But being illegal I have to take what I get and in doing that I noticed that not all weed is the same. From how it smells, looks and most importantly how it effected me. With it becoming legal in some states I started to hear about different strain names and it peaked my interest. So I started looking into it and it was fascinating! Didn't want to wait for the slow people to catch up so I could buy it legally so I decided to grow it myself. So I went to sites like this to get me to the point I am at now. I bought a Vivosun 48x48x80" tent, 600w HID, 6in. exhaust fan with carbon filter, couple fans and some 5 gal. grow bags. Then what I thought was going to be the hard part, the seeds. From seeing a lot of good reviews, grows and the fact Fast Buds is the #1 breeder in number of diaries and I believe harvests on this site I decided to go with them. Found out they don't ship to the US, so I tried Seedsman and wanted to take advantage of their Black Friday special and get a good variety of strains. But just couldn't get pay with credit card to work due to website issues. Tried to resolve it with them but got tired of the delay due to the time zone difference. So looked at the US distributors on the FastBud's website and found Hella Dank Seed Co. The only concern was that I had to order in 5 packs and that was going to limit my variety so I decided on Blackberry, Green Crack and Blue Dream. Ordered them on Monday and had them in my hand on the other side of the country on Wednesday. They mistakenly sent me Grapefruit, let them know and they said keep 'em and resent the Green Crack. Had to wait a couple days until they were back in stock, but again had them in two days once they shipped. Definitely use them again. I decided to grow all four for the variety and be able to compare them but to keep this diary to one strain I picked Blackberry. I pretty much spoke weed recreationally, although I guess you could make a case that the relaxation and joy of life achieved makes it a medicine, with the exception that it very much helps me sleep. Seeing as how Blackberry is good for insomnia I decided to pick that strain to focus my first diary on. Sneaking a pic or two in of the other strains here and there. :-) On to the grow... I germinated the seeds in a glass of tap water per the FastBud's site, had them in there for three days and they all cracked but some just barely. Didn't want to leave them in the water any longer so I placed them into the soil. I think next time I will try the paper towel method after an overnight soak. For soil I used Fox Farm's Happy Frog cut with 30-40% black gold perlite. I started them under a T8 shop light but quickly found out I needed to turn the big light on to keep the temps up. Tent is in my basement and it is in the low 60s to mid-50s during winter. I even had to disconnect the air cooled hood on my light. I started out just misting them with 6.5 pH'ed water but I think I was underwatering them, probably needed to presoak my soil a little bit more. Got the soil moist and slowly the growing started. I don't know if I stunted them with underwatering or it is too cool in the tent at times but they didn't seem to grow much this first week compared to others I've seen. I have been strictly watering them with pH'ed water but I do plan on using Advanced Nutrients Grow-Micro-Bloom for this grow including a couple other of their nutrients, starting with Voodoo Juice during the second week. I also am considering some LST but that scares me a little so we will have to see how things go. So far they are still alive and even though it is a little nerve racking I am still having fun. It's my new obsession that helps fill a void until I can get back to my summer obsession of chasing bass. Couple pictures but not much to see yet. Will keep it focused on the Blackberry from this point. Hope things turn out well but it is the challenge that makes it fun!
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Grow Questions
TheBug
TheBugstarted grow question 5 years ago
What do you guys think about the leaves curling sideways like a pin wheel? I thought they would straighten out as the grew, but they're not. Not sure if the next set of leaves are going to do the same thing or not, they're too small. Only strain out of 4 doing it.
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Leaves. Too many
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MUDBUG
MUDBUGanswered grow question 5 years ago
I grow this strain every grow go to my diarys and check it out this is a genetics issue on this seed its not nothing you doing wrong it happens when u grow a BLUE STRAIN tbh get rid of her and pop 2 more this mutant will not give u anything its not worth the trouble big dog and i would go 16-8 hid and leds are completely different at this stage u stressing them out big time and for watering get a shot glass i use my measuring one and u should give 6-7 shots twice a day she will drink more the voodoo juice is straight FIYA i use it also stick to that watering and u cant go wrong βœοΈβœοΈβœοΈβœοΈπŸ‘πŸ‘πŸ‘
TheBug
TheBugstarted grow question 5 years ago
Ok, just trying to plan ahead. I read many things about making changes in nutes, switching to plain water, flushing, etc...referencing off 1-2 weeks from harvest. How do I know I am 2 weeks from harvest? What are the signs?
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Techniques. Defoliation
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Wicked_Stix
Wicked_Stixanswered grow question 5 years ago
This depends on what type of effect you are looking for in your final product. The only reliable method is to inspect your trichomes with a magnifying glass to see what stage they are at. CLEAR= Not ready. CLOUDY= Reaching their maximum potency of thc content. AMBER= your thc is converting to cbd and less desirable compounds. The early side of the harvest window usually gives a more entergetic high where a late harvest will give you that couchlock effect. I prefer to harvest with the highest percent of milky trichomes as possible. If you are running a 2 week flush it is a good to start the flush when about 10 to 20% of the trichomes are cloudy and milky. I will personally cut a flush short before I let my trichomes amber up too much. Proper drying and curing seem to have more impact on the final product than a set flush time in my opinion. It is one of those things that is great to experiment with and see what gives you the effect you are looking for....
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TheBug
TheBugweek 9
Every bit of advice helps! Thanks for taking the time to comment, Happy Growing to you too.
Thee_HoffGuyy
Thee_HoffGuyyweek 8
Those are some nice looking buds!! Deff. looks like you still have a few more weeks to go from the pics I would say 2-4 but you'll know best. id still keep an eye one em with the scope. Keep it up!! Happy Growing
Thee_HoffGuyy
Thee_HoffGuyy
@TheBug, Yea they look awesome! yea I know what you mean when they are under the hps it doesn't do em justice when they are that beautiful. from the sounds of it she should deff. bulk up a lil more for ya. and yea I feel ya on the Harvest part in the begging your scared to F something up after that much work but it sounds like you have a real good grip on watching it/ knowing what to look for.. shit when I started years ago I wish I had a place like this to help lol. but i think having the scared mixed in with excitement keeps you on your toes and watching what she does closely you kno? Keep it up Happy growing!!!
TheBug
TheBug
@Thee_HoffGuyy, thank you! I've never seen buds first hand like these before so I am in awe, even with her deformities. It's a shame what the HPS light does to her colors in the tent, those colors are so much nicer in natural light or with the flash. Keeping a close eye on her now. Pistils still all white and trichomes all clear so hopefully she keeps on bulking up. Scared and excited at the same time thinking about harvest.
Thee_HoffGuyy
Thee_HoffGuyyweek 9
she looks awesome buddy!! and with the Trich % of amber its up to you but when I go for a little more stonier high I'll go like 70% cloudy 30 amber i find it works well for sleep. Hope that helps! Happy Growing HoffGuyy
TheBug
TheBugweek 9
Thanks she's had some issues and I've had some issues :-) But I try and make sure I shoot her on her good side! The trichomes have started changing to cloudy but she still has some white pistils so I fed her yesterday thinking she still had more than two weeks to go. I was thinking of switching to just water and Flawless Finish but once I saw the rate of the clear to cloudy and knowing that I want to shoot for 30% amber per @Hoffguys recommendation decided to hold off for a couple more days to see if I get a little more yield. I will follow your Blackberry grow to see how you make out. Good luck and enjoy!
Thee_HoffGuyy
Thee_HoffGuyy
@TheBug, Looking good to me!! sounds like you have a good eye on the trich's just keep watching them and it'll be harvest time in no time haha. sounds like you have the right idea of keeping her fed a lil longer if you have the time why not. Good luck and Happy GrowingπŸ‘
HighTV
HighTVweek 1
Hey there @TheBug. Welcome to GrowDiaries and congratulations on your first grow! Lovely setup and fantastic start to the diary, its clear you did you research before hand so I respect that. I wouldn't worry about being behind at this stage or anything yet my friend that can lead to bad decisions like overwatering! From the day they broke from the soil, What day are these pictures from? (If possible to increase humidity I would get it to 45-60%) 😎
CRiSPrGrow
CRiSPrGrow
@TheBug, what regulates the plants metabolism and how fast it grows is called the vapour pressure defict or VPD for short. This article presents the concept in detail : https://www.autoflower.net/forums/threads/vpd-vapor-pressure-deficit-explained.64510/ this one has the charts . Basically you want to hit the right ratio of humidity and temperature , what you can do to make that happen at this stage is to put a clear plastic cup over the seedling so it traps the humidity inside and helps the seedling grow. As the seedling develops you can remove the cup and lower the temperature... Hope this helps ! πŸš€
TheBug
TheBug
@HighTV, Thanks for the tips and I may add humidity domes, but last few days humidity has been better and usually around 50%.
HighTV
HighTV
@TheBug, If you want to increase the humidity there are a few ways you would try. 1st is to simply add humidity domes to the seedlings (this is the easiest) 2nd method is to pull air from outside -> through light -> putting back outside and never letting the inside tent air get sucked out. this would allow your humidifier to really work. From the setup you show in week one this would mean- unplugging the filter duct and putting that to the light instead - then adding another duct to the right side of the light leading outside the tent. This method increases temperatures in the tent some so be aware of that. 3rd method is to exhaust less air and add wet rags/towels to the fans. You mention cold temps exhausting less air with your fan will help increase the temps and humidity. In your situation it would seem method 2 is best because you mention it being cold. This would raise both your humidity and your temperatures. With a sealed garden like this method gives you your humidifier will have full control
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Experimentgreen
Experimentgreenweek 2
Hey Bug...so now that I see what high powered lights you've got I feel even more so about the reduction in hours. I feel like i see and hear about people getting amazing yield results with the hid regardless of pushing them to the max. I think those were considered the most effective light until some of the very high quality LEDs like fluence came out. Congratulations on the 1st grow btw. Happy new year.
CRiSPrGrow
CRiSPrGrow
@TheBug, yep one thing i know about the mudbug, he's always correct about these things, check out poleeg s black berry grow aswell, many many folks got genetic issues with black berry, and i still wont bet against mudbug lol
TheBug
TheBug
@CRiSPrGrow, thanks for the follow-up Bulbi. Without ruling out any of the advice given and using that advice to cautiously move forward with all four of my plants, I am prone to believe that @MUDBUG has it correct. That this is a genetic issue with this plant. I have three other plants in the same soil, under the same light and getting the same water that don't show any symptoms remotely close to this plant. They seem to be doing well to my untrained eye. I will of course heed all advice and adjust my watering, light and double confirm the pH moving forward. I do have other seeds but I think I am going to keep this one going and see what becomes of her. If I was to start over it may infringe upon an upcoming vacation and I want to be 100% certain with a good buffer that this grow will be wrapped up by then. If I only get a small amount I will still be happy. I'm in more of the exploring/sampling all the strains phase than looking for big yields. I will definitely take another crack at Blackberry on my second grow!
CRiSPrGrow
CRiSPrGrow
@thebug ... agree w/ everything @Experimentgreen just said... also mudbug... and may i add looks like pretty fatal PH fluctuations on top of that... save yourself the heart break and scrap it if you have a spare seed to run... if you have a dimmer now's a good time to use it 250W for seedlings and work your way up to full strength
CRiSPrGrow
CRiSPrGrowweek 12
really happy you got a prize for this ! πŸ‘ πŸ‘ πŸ‘
CRiSPrGrow
CRiSPrGrow
@TheBug, best surprise ever ! πŸš€
TheBug
TheBug
@CRiSPrGrow, Thank you! Just got home from vacation to find out. :-)
Thee_HoffGuyy
Thee_HoffGuyyweek 12
Great work it's looking awesome!!πŸ‘πŸ‘Š And about the Trichomes seems like you got a good grip on itπŸ‘Œ. when you are looking at them is it under any type of light that has yellow to it? if so sometimes that can make them look more amber-ish then they are. Anyways about the unevenness of them ripening I see that sometimes also but seems to happen more on the sugar leaves than the calyxes, so if you look at em on the leaves try looking at the calyxes its self be gentle as to not damage a lot of trich's other than that I don't really know what causes them to do that could be a hot/cold spot or draft that the plant may be in and the others are not? idk just a thought. because I know temps can make some difference on how quick they ripen. but it might be some other reason soo if someone that knows a little more about it might chime. Loving the colorπŸ‘Š such a deep purple Great Job
Thee_HoffGuyy
Thee_HoffGuyy
@TheBug, yea temps can deff change things but I've notice if its not extreme temps like below 60*F at night it usually brings out more smell flavor color and sometimes even resin production so do some experiments and find out what you like. Like I have my flower tent set so its between 63*F and max 66*F at night and have been getting really great results nice color plus the smell and flavor has been phenomenal! Great work cant wait to follow along on your next journeyπŸ‘πŸ‘Š
TheBug
TheBug
@Thee_HoffGuyy, thanks again Hoffguy. Decided to chop her. I really wonder how much the cold affected them. Never had real cold temps inside the tent, although there could of been a cold draft from the inlet, but my temps were definitely to the low side. Be interesting if I notice a difference growing in the warmer temps this spring and summer.
WillyWonka
WillyWonkaweek 12
Beautiful looking buds! Congratulations on your first grow, it’s such a good feeling. What fastbuds strain is next for you?
TheBug
TheBug
@WillyWonka, thank you! It does feel good to have one under my belt. My next grow will probably again be four Fast Buds' strains, this grow I did four strains also but just did the one diary for Blackberry. Doing four different strains might not be the best for learning, but I'm still looking to try many strains to see what I like the best. Then once I get my "go to" strain or two I will focus on getting the best results from those strains. Next grow I plan on doing diaries for all four strains, didn't want to be overwhelmed this first time, and I am thinking they might CBD Crack, Tangie'matic, Six Shooter and a redo of one of my first four(most likely either Blackberry or Blue Dream).
CRiSPrGrow
CRiSPrGrowweek 2
Yeah basically you've not done anything wrong, dont worry - check on grow diaries other black berries, 50% of them will have had some abnormalities at the seedling stage, including by the best growers, in all sorts of set ups including soil (but also coco & hydro) totally normal and it should end up growing into a pretty normal plant down the line. No stress ! hope this helps ! πŸš€
TheBug
TheBug
@CRiSPrGrow, All advice is appreciated and helpful! Thank you.
Club_Ohana
Club_Ohanaweek 2
Just keep being patient with her and listen to what she tells you. Im on my first and now second grow and I have found patience and watching the plant closely helps a lot. Making fewer mistakes makes the plant grow rapidly.
TheBug
TheBug
@Club_Ohana, Thanks for the advice. Definitely gonna keep my eye on her and hopefully learn something. That's the most fun part. Good luck on your grows.
Fast_Buds
Fast_Budsweek 1
Thanks for choosing our genetics, good luck!! We’re really looking forward to it! Enjoy Growing Faster πŸ˜€
TheBug
TheBug
@Fast_Buds, Thank you and Happy Holidays!
CRiSPrGrow
CRiSPrGrowweek 12
great results, absolutely gorgeous buds too !
GreenCasual
GreenCasualweek 9
You're doing really great for a first grow ! I hope that my blackberry'll be as beautiful as yours ! When are you planning to harvest ?
Mrs_Larimar
Mrs_Larimarweek 4
Agree, now its clearto see that she is a mutant girl, and its genetic causes. Happy growing
Experimentgreen
Experimentgreenweek 3
I know you say you're embarrassed but I'm so glad you posted these photos. I love when people show their problems not just their success. How can we all learn and grow together if everyone hides everything that goes wrong. So...thank you
Mrs_Larimar
Mrs_Larimarweek 3
She looks muuuch better. Keep that track. stay hard and let her dry^^Overwatering is an inivitation to many issues you dont want to have
Thee_HoffGuyy
Thee_HoffGuyyweek 11
looks Great!! Awesome work Bug!!
Thee_HoffGuyy
Thee_HoffGuyy
@TheBug, Thank you for this great diary I love seeing Purple/colourful buds😏 cant wait to see the Finished product!!
TheBug
TheBug
@Thee_HoffGuyy, Thanks again HoffGuyy!
Mrs_Larimar
Mrs_Larimarweek 2
Agree to all answers.The Girl sits in a big bag of wet soil. And she dont like it. I would give her asmaller pot with dry soil to dry her feet. And then use the pot lifting method. After transplaning her in dry soil, weigh the pot. then give her 30-50 ml. and just water her again if the pot has the same weigh as before. And when she grown out that pot give her abigger one and weigh him again and then water a bigger amount and so on i alo recommend you an humidifier. Plant need for evry stage a ratio of humidity in dependence of temperature called VPD i link you a vpd chart http://www.just4growers.com/media/23631/vpd_2degree.gif
Mrs_Larimar
Mrs_Larimar
@TheBug,you are right. i have completely overseen that its an automatic. but you still have the problem of wet soil. then maybe put he into a big pot with dry soil. its not great but better than rotting . but probably try to let the soil dry.
TheBug
TheBug
@Mrs_Larimar, I planted her in that size pot because I had read that autoflowers should be planted in their final pot and that transplanting them is a bad thing. I will stop watering until my pot dries out much more than I had been letting it and then I will water with a much less quantity. I do have a humidifier in the tent and also a pan of water just really hard to raise the humidity of this dry winter air. Thank you for the help!
HerbalEdu
HerbalEduweek 11
Your're doing it great ! grats 😎
TheBug
TheBug
@HerbalEdu, Thanks Wince!