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LM285B+ LED/200W
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Mars Hydro 6in
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Mars Hydro 6in
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weeks 5-8
Topping
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Coco Coir
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Perlite
Grow medium
Mycorrhiza
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19 L
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tangie tangie
3 days ago
Instead of straight topping, I decided to try something else this time. If the goal to maximize photosynthesis capacity at any stage of a plant's life, then why would I chop off the leaves above the cut line? And why would I cut off extra branches at this stage? Now, for the branches, there could be a reason in that culling weaker or unwanted branches (according to a canopy shaping strategy, if you have one) would stimulate the plant to redirect all energy to expanding main planned cola branches. But if we assume that a sucker branch/unwanted branch is a net-positive energy producer — meaning that it has enough leaf surface to generate more energy that it consumes on whatever processes are going within it — why would I want to rob the plant of this extra energy this early in the lifecycle, where the canopy is nowhere near big enough to properly capture all cast light? The benefits are exponential, so the later I cull extra branches (read, leaves), the more energy (and, as a result, plant mass) the plant had a chance to generate until then. So maybe a good strategy is just clipping unwanted budlings and keeping the rest, including a (bent and guided) central stem. This time I decided to perform what I called "Branch-Stop" on the plant. It probably has a proper name in agriculture, but I had not gotten to researching it. What I did was basically clip any child branches at their origin node if I didn't want the plant to continue growing in that direction/area. At the same time I kept the leaves at the same node junctions, where it was physically possible to separate them. To give you an easy to understand example, if my plant was on [central stem] node 7 and I would normally top above node 4, this time I would clip all child branches above node 4, but I will keep the leaves, recursively. Effectively, I would top a lot of young-generation nodes. A logical continuation of this idea is to not top any branches at all, just make sure that no unwanted bud sites are allowed to develop, to limit the number of colas and reduce larf/popcorn. Obviously, this method is risky, at the very least because many cuts means much larger total cut surface, much greater risk of contamination of any kind (including inviting unwanted insects), and probably more stress to the plant. On the other hand, leaf surface loss is negligible, and the plant should have enough energy to recover quickly. This can also be done as a steady repeated procedure, removing only a few tiny young branches at once. I made sure that my instruments were sterile, I used clean gloves and I made sure my environment was also clean. Would not recommend it for outdoor at all (too risky), but indoor it worked better than I expected, in the sense that the plant did not show any signs of stress, and continued growing a massive trunk.
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Grow Questions
tangie
tangiestarted grow question 3 months ago
Whorled phyllotaxy, apparently! Definitely a sign of good fortune :) Did some reading up and my impression is that there's nothing special to be done about this, including feeding regimen. Maybe I should build a hexagonal tent for her? 😁 Share your experience and urban legends
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Organoman
Organomananswered grow question 3 months ago
In my long experience, 40 years, any mutants and weirdos are always killed off by me now due to too many of them being duds, problems and/or failures in the past. There is nothing special about them and they generally turn out as disappointments............life is too short to grow "maybes"! Other people may say "ooh, you are lucky, give it a chance it may surprise you etc etc", but as I said, over forty years of growing and 99% of mutants and weirdo seedling turn in to a waste of time.......... Triploids with "whorled phyllotaxy" usually end up males, hermies or just don't flower properly in my experience..........a waste of time and effort. Only normal healthy seedlings make it beyond a week at my place these days.
tangie
tangiestarted grow question 2 days ago
What the heck is this? Is it just purple genes or a stress/deficiency or a combination of multiple factors? I have checked three visual cannabis plant health guides, and did not find a single issue which looks like this. Maybe a combination of 2 factors, but I'm not convinced 😐
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Leaves. Color - Dark-purple
Leaves. Color - Dark-brown
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FaithRiver_CF
FaithRiver_CFanswered grow question a day ago
Sometime it’s just growth characteristics. Sometimes Cooler temp later in flower will bring out pretty colors a dense up buds also so don’t panic just yet. But yes it some sorta stress I’m guessing hard to determine by a picture sorry. Looks like you done a bit of defoliation of recent by your picture. If there autos yes I would say they are a bit stressed
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001100010010011110answered grow question 2 days ago
probably cold temps at night causing the purple. might be exacerbating the other symptoms too. The cold temps make conditions for certain biological processes/chemical reactions less than optimal. the plant has shown at least some leaf damage sicne week 3 not realted to cold temps. It was definitely a bit too lush after that - overfed with N (glossy and dark) and possibly P or K, too as you have some light green new growth. So, i'd guess you had a few things amped up a bit too high and it just dominoed as the weeks went by. Need to react sooner to what the plant is telling you. Needed to dial back nutes a month ago.
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Ninjabuds
Ninjabudsanswered grow question 2 days ago
Hey there good looking plants so far I have had the same problem before no problem You gave to much nutrients I suggest next time you water to give regular water and then when you return to feeding with nutrients to give them 5o% of ehat you gave them b4 Don't worry to much plants bounch back fast don't focus to much on that color on the leaves ot may not fade just wanna make sure it doesn't spread all over If it does continue to spread like a wild fire I'd surely run 5 gallons of water with no nimutes thru the soil and water the soil down. To me thou it doesn't seem like it will get to bad I don't think you like k/o them or anything. Just be cautious in the future and don't. Mix a bunch if different stuff every time you feed spread them out give them one thing one time and then another the next no need to give cal mag andnextra bloom boosters every.single time you water or even every feed I never like to give my plants the 100% of what the instructions say I always like to max it out at 50% I'd start back with 10ml bloom 5ml big bud Then every other week on a diff day than you give those nutes one week you give 10ml cal mag and factor x 5ml and then the other week 10ml micro and overdrive 5ml You can slowly increasing doeses if plants do fine
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tangie
tangiecommentedweek 03 months ago
@Organoman @m0use Thank you for answering my question re triple symmetry, your expertise is very much appreciated! It's a fem auto, so chances of it being a male are still extremely low as far as I understand. A hermie, maybe — no idea how to quantify. This time I strongly feel that I want to continue raising this seedling, and I have no expectations for it, especially now that you related your experience. I will enjoy the process of gardening itself a lot, and I'm very curious to see how a mature plant with this peculiar trait looks and behaves. Given that this will be my first time growing in coco-perlite, I will feel less pressure about any possible mistakes such as staggering an ideal watering schedule etc. In the future your experience will help me make choices based on my goals and preferences at the time. Having grown such plants, and I would not bundle this node symmetry mutation with other types of weirdness, because I'm not sure how each of them expresses and what it impacts, is there something specific I should be aware of or pay extra attention to? I read somewhere that this type of mutation can lead to more brittle branches prone to snapping, which might not be true — things like that. Thanks!
m0use
m0usecommented3 months ago
@tangie, good luck!
Stony_German
Stony_Germancommentedweek 92 days ago
Nur durch ausprobieren und dadurch lernen werden grower besser. Ich würde mich da nicht stressen lassen. Am ende wird das kein qualitätsverlust.
tangie
tangiecommentedweek 03 months ago
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