On 5th week on vegetative stage. I defoliate the lower leaves & did a little clean up. So far so green they doing good. They look down mood after getting their water/feed. And be hoping I don't overwater or underwater. No complaints thinking 6-8 weeks for vegetative. 8 week the max then flipping...thought bout 2nd topping but on the 6 weeks in vegetative then flipping. That what I'm a do. Then use the net trellis....