Nachgereicht 2. Versuchsgrow

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Ionframe EVO4 Light Emitting Diodes/300W
Ionframe EVO4 Light Emitting Diodes/300W
Cloudline PRO6
Soil
Custom
Humus Other
Custom
Indoor
Room Type
Defoliation
weeks 4-12
Topping
weeks 5
LST
weeks 6-9
11 liters
Pot Size
3.6 liters
Watering
Start at 12 Week
G
Germination
2y ago
symbiose089 Once again, welcome to my late Grow Diary. Unfortunately, I was very stressed and couldn't find the time to keep the diary properly, so it's being updated now. On 10/11/24, all 3 ladies saw the light of day🌱 I simply placed them in a glass of water in the dark for 12 hours and let them do their thing at room temperature. After that, I just let them germinate in a small pot of 0.69L in BioBizz Light Mix. After just 2 days, all of them successfully germinated.
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Glass Of Water
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Week 1. Vegetation
2y ago
10 cm
Height
18 hrs
Light Schedule
25 °C
Day Air Temp
6.4
pH
No Smell
Smell
75 %
Air Humidity
20 °C
Solution Temp
20 °C
Night Air Temp
0.7 liters
Pot Size
0.06 liters
Watering Volume
35 cm
Lamp Distance
symbiose089 Week 1 in growth and everything is good so far except for the slight stretching. Watered with about 60ml starting from the first week in growth. I adjusted the amount depending on the size of the plants and the watering process for each watering.
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Week 2. Vegetation
2y ago
18 hrs
Light Schedule
26 °C
Day Air Temp
6.6
pH
No Smell
Smell
70 %
Air Humidity
20 °C
Solution Temp
20 °C
Night Air Temp
0.7 liters
Pot Size
0.06 liters
Watering Volume
35 cm
Lamp Distance
symbiose089 Week 2 in growth and everything is good so far. They're developing well and the watering amount has remained at 60ml, but the days have now reduced to 2 at the end. It needs to be repotted soon. A few days earlier might not have hurt..
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Week 3. Vegetation
2y ago
20 cm
Height
18 hrs
Light Schedule
28 °C
Day Air Temp
6.7
pH
No Smell
Smell
65 %
Air Humidity
20 °C
Solution Temp
21 °C
Night Air Temp
2 liters
Pot Size
0.2 liters
Watering Volume
35 cm
Lamp Distance
Nutrients 1
BioGrow - Green House Feeding
BioGrow
1.3 mll
symbiose089 Week 3 in growth and it was repotted into a 2L pot with 8g Greenhouse Power Feeding Grow per plant. Additionally, I add 1g/L Greenhouse Power Feeding Enhancer to the watering every 14 days. In hindsight, everything is a bit delayed, but more on that later😉 Watering amount has been slowly increased to 220ml.
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Week 4. Vegetation
2y ago
25 cm
Height
18 hrs
Light Schedule
29 °C
Day Air Temp
6.6
pH
No Smell
Smell
65 %
Air Humidity
20 °C
Solution Temp
21 °C
Night Air Temp
2 liters
Pot Size
0.22 liters
Watering Volume
35 cm
Lamp Distance
Nutrients 1
BioGrow - Green House Feeding
BioGrow
1.3 mll
symbiose089 Week 4 in growth. I remember it being a very tough week, so unfortunately no photos and little info..😅 but everything was pretty normal and I only took one or two leaves. Other than that, the ladies just grew. Because of that, the following week was also very stressful.
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Defoliation
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Week 5. Vegetation
2y ago
35 cm
Height
18 hrs
Light Schedule
29 °C
Day Air Temp
6.6
pH
No Smell
Smell
60 %
Air Humidity
20 °C
Solution Temp
21 °C
Night Air Temp
11 liters
Pot Size
1 liters
Watering Volume
35 cm
Lamp Distance
Nutrients 1
BioGrow - Green House Feeding
BioGrow
1.3 mll
symbiose089 Week 5 of growth was the first real stress test for the ladies. It started with repotting into 11L pots with 45g of Greenhouse Power Feeding Grow each (a total of 53g Grow per plant on 11L substrate). Initially, the ladies had a few light, yellowish leaves down below, which is why we repotted, and the problem was solved over the week, and they all turned a nice green again. The ladies were topped 3 days after repotting. One stopped growing for about 5 days (the smallest in the photos), while the others continued without hesitation and resumed their growth on the 2nd day. The soil was prepared one watering interval beforehand, and since it was still slightly moist during repotting, it was watered with 1L.
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Defoliation
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Topping
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Week 6. Vegetation
2y ago
40 cm
Height
18 hrs
Light Schedule
27 °C
Day Air Temp
6.8
pH
Weak
Smell
60 %
Air Humidity
20 °C
Solution Temp
21 °C
Night Air Temp
11 liters
Pot Size
1.5 liters
Watering Volume
35 cm
Lamp Distance
Nutrients 2
Calmag - BioBizzWWO
Calmag
0.5 mll
BioGrow - Green House Feeding
BioGrow
1.3 mll
symbiose089 Week 6 in growth and the plants are literally exploding. The two big ones have grown twice as tall as the small one. A lot of leaf mass, and I'm only removing a few leaves that cover too much or create too much clusterfuck down below and grow inward. I've just been lightly bending the tips down a few times a day with LST; otherwise, they've just been growing since the topping. Unfortunately, I broke a new main shoot off the top of one plant that I couldn't fix anymore, but other than that, I've just let the ladies grow and not much has happened.
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LST
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Defoliation
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Week 7. Vegetation
2y ago
45 cm
Height
18 hrs
Light Schedule
27 °C
Day Air Temp
6.2
pH
Weak
Smell
57 %
Air Humidity
20 °C
Solution Temp
21 °C
Night Air Temp
11 liters
Pot Size
2.5 liters
Watering Volume
35 cm
Lamp Distance
Nutrients 2
Calmag - BioBizzWWO
Calmag
0.7 mll
BioGrow - Green House Feeding
BioGrow
1.3 mll
symbiose089 Week 7 in growth and I'm noticing a few things. Some leaves at the bottom are turning slightly yellow and had small brown spots (see zoomed pictures). Also, the plants in general have become a bit lighter in color. Since I was watering with a very high pH of 6.6-6.8 for the last 2 weeks, I thought there might be a pH issue (manganese deficiency due to the brown spots?) and from then on I strictly watered with 6.2-6.4 and imagined it got a bit better with the color, and the brown spots were definitely gone a few days later and have stayed gone until today. So I thought that should be fine. (I like to water with pH levels between 6.2 - 6.8, I just didn't realize I had been watering with a very high pH for the last 2.5 weeks). Additionally, I started giving CalMag from BioBizz at 0.5ml/L. In hindsight regarding the size, I could have sent them into flowering a week earlier. Flip to 12/12 was at the end of week 7.
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LST
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Week 8. Flowering
2y ago
45 cm
Height
12 hrs
Light Schedule
26 °C
Day Air Temp
6.2
pH
Weak
Smell
57 %
Air Humidity
20 °C
Solution Temp
20 °C
Night Air Temp
11 liters
Pot Size
3 liters
Watering Volume
35 cm
Lamp Distance
Nutrients 2
Calmag - BioBizzWWO
Calmag
0.7 mll
BioBloom - Green House Feeding
BioBloom
1.3 mll
symbiose089 Week 1 in flowering. After switching to 12/12 at the end of week 7, it took about 6 days until the first signs of flowering were visible. With the first watering after the flip, I gave 55g of Greenhouse Power Feeding Bloom per plant as top dressing. It feels like the plants have gotten a bit darker again, and the brown spots from the previous week have fortunately completely disappeared. For the watering amount, I've reached 3L per plant.
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Week 9. Flowering
2y ago
55 cm
Height
12 hrs
Light Schedule
26 °C
Day Air Temp
6.2
pH
Normal
Smell
55 %
Air Humidity
20 °C
Solution Temp
20 °C
Night Air Temp
11 liters
Pot Size
3.3 liters
Watering Volume
35 cm
Lamp Distance
Nutrients 2
Calmag - BioBizzWWO
Calmag
0.7 mll
BioBloom - Green House Feeding
BioBloom
1.3 mll
symbiose089 Week 2 in flowering. So far, I'm very satisfied, as my first grow unfortunately didn't go as I had hoped. The plants are developing well, and especially the little one stands out. Exactly on the 12th day after the flip, I could perceive this intense blueberry smell from the smallest one and was totally blown away. Really crazy. By now, I'm watering 3.3L every 3-4 days. I never have drainage, and if I do, it's only minimal at almost 1/3 of the pot volume, so no worries about dry spots or anything. The plants never have phases where they droop or look bad when the light is on. Still, the two larger ones are noticeably lighter than the smallest one, which I think looks the best, as far as I can judge. Not as deep dark green but also not as light as the other two. I also have a question below and would appreciate any advice, as this is my first grow where things are going pretty well.
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symbiose089
symbiose089started grow question 2y ago
That's why I'm asking you all if there's reason to be concerned that the two larger ones are noticeably lighter in leaf color than the smallest? Also, in the development of the flowers and especially in the smell, it feels like she's far ahead of the bigger ones.
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Ultravioletanswered grow question 2y ago
It's always fun when one plant is just different, it's most of the time just genetic differences, but there are exceptions. Have a look at air intake on your tent, sometimes there is just slight dead spots in a tent where there is significantly less fresh air or flow.Not something you can easily gauge but if one side of tent is getting larger % of fresh air coming Into tent, it's one of those small details that may add up over time. Just a guess. Do you have a exhaust setup too? Extraction fan sucking from one side of tent could be accelerating cellular respiration overnight on one side of the tent. At night the plant t makes alot of moisture vapor, each leaf once it spits out a tiny piece of moisture it sits on underside of leaf until air takes it away. Each leaf is Independent in that if air doesn't take it away production in that leaf will cease. If for instance one side of tent has a gentle breeze drawing water vapor away all night it will be efficient. If the other side is far from suction force of exhaust with 0 breeze, vapor will stay on leaf and production will slow as water cannot be released. Very small environmental differences can build overtime into noticeable difference. Could be absolutely down to genetics and nothing else, my brain says otherwise. The slower water cycles through a plant the slower nutrients uptake, overtime leading to drifting phs as mineral content slowly increases, possibly what you see and the apparent differences. Some plants are eating all their food at dinner, Some are not, and it's accumulating within medium this is drifting the ph and making nutrient uptake more difficult. I'd check your ph on lighter ones and compare. Photosynthesis by day, Cellular respiration by night. Good luck.
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Week 10. Flowering
2y ago
55 cm
Height
12 hrs
Light Schedule
27 °C
Day Air Temp
6.4
pH
Normal
Smell
52 %
Air Humidity
20 °C
Solution Temp
20 °C
Night Air Temp
11 liters
Pot Size
3.8 liters
Watering Volume
35 cm
Lamp Distance
Nutrients 2
Calmag - BioBizzWWO
Calmag
0.9 mll
BioBloom - Green House Feeding
BioBloom
1.3 mll
symbiose089 Another update, because the weeks over New Year and Christmas were very stressful. Happy New Year everyone 🎆 Week 3 in flowering: I gave another 16.5g of Grow Greenhouse Feeding per top feeding per plant, just like you advised me. The ones that still looked good got about half. Otherwise, I measured the pH of the drain, which was 6.7 for all plants. I think the ladies are just hungry as you said. Other than that, I just defoliated, watered, and paid attention to their needs. Increased CalMag by 0.2 ml per L again.
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Week 11. Flowering
2y ago
55 cm
Height
12 hrs
Light Schedule
27 °C
Day Air Temp
6.5
pH
Strong
Smell
50 %
Air Humidity
20 °C
Solution Temp
20 °C
Night Air Temp
11 liters
Pot Size
3.6 liters
Watering Volume
35 cm
Lamp Distance
Nutrients 2
Calmag - BioBizzWWO
Calmag
1 mll
BioBloom - Green House Feeding
BioBloom
1.3 mll
symbiose089 Week 4 in flowering: unfortunately, a week after the renewed fertilization, there's still no improvement with the two big ladies. They're still very light, but all are in top shape. No drooping or anything like that; I think I'm doing well with the watering and conditions. The little one continues as before and is in great condition. She's developing noticeably faster and better. The smell has become significantly more intense this week. I'm slowly lowering the temperature so that they have a maximum of 27 degrees for 3 to 4 hours, otherwise around 25-26 degrees. It's really nice to stick your nose in there. I did a little lollipop again towards the end of BW4, otherwise just removed some yellow leaves.
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Week 12. Flowering
2y ago
55 cm
Height
12 hrs
Light Schedule
26 °C
Day Air Temp
6.4
pH
Strong
Smell
50 %
Air Humidity
20 °C
Solution Temp
20 °C
Night Air Temp
11 liters
Pot Size
3.6 liters
Watering Volume
35 cm
Lamp Distance
Nutrients 2
Calmag - BioBizzWWO
Calmag
1.2 mll
BioBloom - Green House Feeding
BioBloom
1.3 mll
symbiose089 Week 5 in flowering: I gave another 22g of Greenhouse Feeding Bloom per plant at the end of BW4/beginning of BW5 according to the manufacturer's instructions, as I think they still need about 4-5 weeks. This would also almost match the information from the breeder and some diaries I've looked at. ~70 days I will check the pH of the drain again at the next watering, but I think everything is fine. They probably just got hungry too early, and I couldn't compensate for that with organic fertilizer. As you've all said. The little one is also starting to get her first yellow leaves and is getting lighter. However, there is fertilizer available, and the plants are otherwise top-notch. It's probably a bit too early for autumn, but I've learned a lot for next time. I'm looking forward to reading your opinions ✌️ I think for the first time I'm doing pretty well even though it could have been more indoors.
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symbiose089
symbiose089 commented2y ago
@Ultraviolet wow thanks for the detailed explanation. I have a Cloudline Pro6 Inline fan that exhausts the air and brings it out of the room through the window. I ventilate thoroughly 3-4 times a day for 5-10 minutes to bring in fresh air. According to your explanation, I could open the third opening for intake at the back of the box to let in even more fresh air. Then the larger, brighter ones at the back would also have fresh air directly with them. Otherwise, I can only increase the strength of the exhaust to have more exchange and get more moisture out. It usually runs at 3-6 depending on how high the humidity is. I also have an oscillating fan, and when I observe and feel it, I have very good air circulation everywhere. Even though the circulation at the bottom is also good, a second one wouldn't hurt and is already on the list. The leaf mass of the Blueberry Muffin is crazy, and even when I've taken a leaf here and there, it’s practically exploding in mass. I had noted to do a proper defoliation/lollipop around day 20-25 after switching to 12/12. Do you think that could significantly improve the transpiration issue you described? I will test the pH; it's all still new to me. I also think that's where the problem lies. Thanks for the detailed explanation🌱
Ultraviolet
Ultraviolet commented2y ago
@symbiose089, As the plant spits out moisture, you will notice the fan never switches off at night, this is a sign that moisture is constantly being spat out, a sign that everything is working efficiently, so long as there is a light breeze separating the vapor from leaf then the RH of the air will rise, noticeable fast during flower as plant gets bigger.
Ultraviolet
Ultraviolet commented2y ago
@symbiose089, Really hope it works out for you, grow looks amazing so far, best of luck my German brother from another mother.
symbiose089
symbiose089 commented2y ago
@Ultraviolet, so I ordered a small fan again that will provide a bit more airflow, which I was planning to do for the flowering stage anyway. The new generations of AC Infinity are really great, but it can't hurt. I need to take a closer look at the intake air to see if I can improve anything there. Currently, as I mentioned, I ventilate the room several times a day and it's quite large, so I never feel like the air is bad. I need to explore the options to possibly pull in fresh air from somewhere permanently.👍 It could be that the humidity jumps to around 60% at night, but normally I see that in the app from the controller and never get any warnings. What I've observed is that at night it’s at most 59%, and then the exhaust kicks in higher and that's it. I can adjust that and easily bring it down to 40-45% at night, so the plant can release more moisture.👍 I've bookmarked that and will take a closer look at the light spectrum. Great tips and so much to learn.👀 I'm of course making sure I can optimize everything for the next grow, so I'm grateful for every tip.
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symbiose089
symbiose089 commented2y ago
@Mooncat I gave 55g of Greenhouse Power Feeding per plant for phosphorus about 12 days ago, so it should really be more about the pH not being right, right?
Mooncat
Mooncat commented2y ago
@symbiose089, yeah, it looks more like that...try to get to 6.5 pH and watch closely how they react. 👍
symbiose089
symbiose089 commented2y ago
@@Ultraviolet, thank you so much💚 i will do my best and only the best for you
symbiose089
symbiose089 commented2y ago
@Ultraviolet, that's really very interesting because my humidity is actually around 52-57% whether it's day or night, but I can also lower it to 45% or 40% at night, so the plant has more room to release moisture. 👍 Great tips and I've learned a lot. I thought it was fine if the humidity stayed the same, but going lower at night so the plant can release more makes sense.
symbiose089
symbiose089 commented2y ago
I watered 2 plants today, the other one was done yesterday, and I hadn't thought about measuring the pH of the drain yet. The smallest one and one of the big ones had minimal drain (50ml) after I watered them with about 4L each today, and the pH of the drain was 6.8 for both. It's still within range, but could it be that it was too high sometimes if my watering water had a higher pH of around 6.4-6.8? I would have expected the smallest one, which looks so good, to have a lower pH and therefore look better. Additionally, there's the comparison of the two big ones from this morning. I already watered one yesterday because it was drier (watering water pH 6.2), and it looks significantly better today than the other one. It seems to have gotten darker compared to the other, while the other one has developed yellow leaves at the bottom and looks lighter. (new pictures added above) Furthermore, the two big ones (the worse one more so) have purple/pink stems in the middle part of the plant, and I always thought that was genetic, but after some research, I also came across issues with the pH value. The smallest one has it only very minimally, and the stems are otherwise light green, which is completely normal. Many also said they are hungry and I should give them more grow nutrients. What surprises me is that I have slightly yellow leaf tips on all the plants, which have always shown up after giving Greenhouse Feeding, even back when I did a full dose of grow during repotting. They always recover without damage after about 10 days. Even now, 12 days after fertilizing with Bloom, they are still slightly visible, which is more typical of light over-fertilization, right? I just don't want to mess things up anymore, and since that might not have been visible in the pictures, I wanted to clarify that again. I can also send more pictures later tonight.
Ultraviolet
Ultraviolet commented2y ago
@symbiose089, Soil EC, not water. The optimal EC for plant growth is usually between 0.8–1.8, and should not exceed 2.56. Temperature can influence EC by affecting the mobility of ions in a solution and the availability of water in the soil. As temperature increases, so does EC. Very low readings below 0.2 dS/m could indicate nutrient deficiencies. Very simple and will tell you if you need to feed or not based on salt mineral content of each pot, if you know ph is in range and your ec is good, all just a balancing act keeping everything within ranges.
symbiose089
symbiose089 commented2y ago
@Ultraviolet, I always thought that the EC in organic growing isn't that significant because the microorganisms break down the organic fertilizer and make it available? I use Greenhouse Feeding organic, is it also important to pay attention to the EC? Yeah, several people said I should definitely give some more Grow, so they have a bit of food, but I can't find anything in the feeding schedule about how much I should give... it only says that if the vegetation lasts longer than 8 weeks, more should be given. So what dose should I give if I add more? With organic fertilizer, it also takes 3-5 days for all the nutrients to become available.
symbiose089
symbiose089 commented2y ago
@Newt_Loop I followed the instructions from Greenhouse Feeding and gave 5g of Grow per liter of substrate as a one-time top dressing, thinking that the nitrogen in Bloom would be enough since it doesn't say anywhere to keep giving Grow. But since several people have said she's hungry, I'll keep an eye on it. It could be that the two bigger ones need more because they're larger than the little one, and that's the reason.
Newt_Loop
Newt_Loop commented2y ago
@symbiose089, The first 3 weeks after flipping to 12/12 is known as a transition period so they are still experiencing a lot of vegetative growth during these weeks and is why they still need the grow nutrients. The Micro and Bloom nutrients I use also have nitrogen in them but not much. I actually increase my Grow and Bloom nutrients when I flip and then start lowering grow a tiny bit on week 4 and raise Bloom a little on week 4. Keep an eye on them and if they continue to turn lighter, adjust your nutrients, check ph, etc It looks like you've done well! I'll be coming back to check on your diary 👍
Flatuz
Flatuz commented2y ago
@Newt_Loop, yea makes totally sense if you se how the plant works… right after the flipp the plant makes big jumps and in that case they need more good stuff ^^
symbiose089
symbiose089 commented2y ago
@Mooncat since I have to water now, I'm a bit unsure whether the pH is too high or too low. But I would lean towards it being too high. I'm going to water with pH 6.0 and see what the drain says..
Hudson2384
Hudson2384 commented2y ago
Wow that is some quick flowering. It's nice to see a lot of Germans on Grow Diaries. If this is your second grow then your doing pretty well.
symbiose089
symbiose089 commented2y ago
@Hudson2384, yeah, in the smallest one, the development of the flowers stands out especially. Very fast. I'm also happy that we can finally grow at home, just a relief and a great hobby🌱 thank you, after my first one unfortunately didn't turn out, I'm very satisfied with this one so far👍
Hudson2384
Hudson2384 commented2y ago
@symbiose089, My first attempt at growing in the woods didn't even sprout. Everyone's first attempt is never good. Even if it was successful my first harvest going solo was ok. I'm medical in Canada and have a large plant count so I can afford to cull or lose a plant. So once you get your nutrient application down I would focus on plant training since it will be essential for your low plant count. What ever advice or literature your reading keep it up. When you make it to harvest don't worry about yield. If it's your first then it doesn't mater if it's 7 grams or 70 grams. You grew your own bud and you should be proud about it.
symbiose089
symbiose089 commented2y ago
@all-our-small-plants thanks, I'm just a bit worried about the difference, otherwise the good ones are in top shape. I followed the instructions from Greenhouse Power Feeding and mixed 53g per plant under the final pot (that's 4.8g in the L substrate) and then it said that no more is needed until 8 weeks of Veg. I then gave 55g Bloom per top dressing per plant 12 days ago, which still has nitrogen, so I thought that would be enough.
symbiose089
symbiose089 commented2y ago
@green-claws thanks for the assessment, I thought according to the information the nitrogen in the Bloom would be enough, but since several people have said they are hungry, I'll keep an eye on that. Thanks for the assessment and happy growing🌱
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