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First Grow 2x2 Old School Purple Nuggets

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2 months ago
Nutrients 3
CANNA Coco B - Canna
CANNA Coco B 0.75 mll
CANNA RHIZOTONIC - Canna
CANNA RHIZOTONIC 3 mll
CANNA Coco A - Canna
CANNA Coco A 0.75 mll
I wet in the coco with plain tap water at 0.3EC, 5.8ph and then watered after 3 days with 0.6EC water at 5.6ph containing rhizotonic and canna a/b once sprouted.
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Week 1. Vegetation
2 months ago
4 cm
24 hrs
23 °C
5.8
No Smell
350 PPM
55 %
21 °C
21 °C
11 L
0 L
73 cm
Nutrients 3
CANNA Coco A - Canna
CANNA Coco A 1 mll
CANNA Coco B - Canna
CANNA Coco B 1 mll
CANNA RHIZOTONIC - Canna
CANNA RHIZOTONIC 2 mll
Decent chance this will overgrow the tent if I dont get the purple nuggets pheno, probably going to lst it and get it bent over early on, if I knew it was the oldschool mango haze pheno I'd top it. I dont so lst will have to do. I've been watering it once daily to runoff, I think I'll up to 3 times a day once theres 3 sets of true leaves. Feeding at 0.7EC now slowly going to increase it up to 80% of the light dosage on cannas feeding guide. Day 4: I lowered the light to 60cm and upped the power to 6 which works out at a DLI of around 24(up from 19), in hope that it will help keep it a bit shorter. I've seen people do 40-50DLI on auto seedlings so I'm sure I can push it more. 5: I have mixed up a stronger feed for tomorrow (1.2ml/l a/b 2ml/l rhizotonic 0.5ml/l 6% potassium silicate) adding some potassium silicate increasing to .9 EC 7: I got the ac infinity humidifier so now I can crank the temp a bit without the humidity dropping, maintaining 0.6-0.7 kPa now for VPD 25c day. Noticed a bit leaf twisting today I think its because I turned the fan up a bit yesterday, or the increase in feed EC. So I reverted both back to the previous stage. It could just be genetics looking at Old School Mango Haze (the mother). Looked at my water profile and it shows 150ppm of calcium but only 6ppm of magnesium so I added 0.2g of magnesium sulfate per liter of water to boost the magnesium of my water a bit.
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Week 2. Vegetation
2 months ago
10 cm
20 hrs
24 °C
6
No Smell
600 PPM
60 %
20 °C
0 °C
23 °C
11 L
0 L
60 cm
Nutrients 4
CANNA Coco A - Canna
CANNA Coco A 1.9 mll
CANNA Coco B - Canna
CANNA Coco B 1.9 mll
CANNA RHIZOTONIC - Canna
CANNA RHIZOTONIC 2 mll
Day 8: Back to feeding .9 EC I'm pretty sure the twisting was from the fan or genetics, .2g epsom salt 1.2ml/ab 2ml rhizotonic 0.3ml liquid silicon per liter noticing the runoff EC slowly coming up its been lower than the input since the beginning started at 0.4 and now at 0.6 I wonder if that means I've been feeding too light or watering too much? Day 9: Runoff EC at 0.8 still climbing up to input, the 3rd set of true leaves are just starting to show so tomorrow I might lower the light a little bit to get the dli up to 35 and increase the feed from 1.2ml ab to 1.3ml and start adding cannazyme. The plant is starting to show traits from its old school mango haze heritage. Day 10: Lowered light to 69cm at 100% this gives 370 PPFD which is 32 DLI at 24/0 going to see how it reacts to skipping a day watering today. Day 11: Today I had to have the power out for some hours while there was work done to fix some intermittent powercuts. The temp got down to 19c and humid was 70% when the power came back on. That's fine but there was no air flow or circulation so the plant drooped down. I watered it with 1.1EC (1.5ml ab, 2ml rhizo 2.5ml cannazyme per liter). I also decided to run a 4 hour dark schedule as I'm not trying to push the plants vegetative growth too much, like I said I think it might overgrow the tent. I think that drops the DLI back to around 27. I also came to the conclusion that I'm doing the whole canna coco thing wrong, I've been watering everday to substantial runoff but they recommend not watering to runoff as they require the potassium that is released when you feed at a certain EC and I was washing out that in the runoff. They recommend only watering to runoff if it looks like the plant needs a flush which it should not if you follow their guide, its made to work like that. So I'm going to start following their light schedule to the T which means dropping the epsom salts and silica, I'm not using ro water so my tap water already contains plenty of silicates and calmag. Day 12: Today we start with following the canna guide for light feeding to the T which is +.9 EC or 1.3EC total (1.9ml ab, 2ml rhizo 2.5ml cannazyme per liter) and I wont water till runoff just keeping it moist, and probably only every other day till flower we'll see how it reacts and what it needs. If you research coco on the internet everyone says to treat it like hydro and to run auto feeding systems that run 5-15 times a day but if you do that with canna coco you'll run into issues they sell a different nutrient line and the COGr boards for those drain to waste systems, coco pro plus and the coco nutes are made for hand watering and not till runoff. Just reiterating that as I bet I'm not the first to fall into this trap. Well I hope I'm right anyways and I dont cause a lockout or something by overdoing the feed, we'll see. Looking forward to the next run when I try doing organic soil with biotabs seems much simpler lol. Day 13: Decent growth for 24 hours, keeping short 8cm and already a nice thick stalk, pretty decent node spacing and looking a bit better then the last week. Notice a bit light coloring on the tips of the new growth not sure if its nute burn starting so watching it closely to see if it increases in size or is just the lighter new growth colour. Day 14: I was wrong about the calmag ratio of my tap water its actually around 40-50ppm cal not 140 lol, today it got 300ml of water same strength of last time first water in 48 hours, barely any runoff.
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zugzugnugnug
zugzugnugnugstarted grow question 2 months ago
Anyone run canna coco nutes with their coco plus, how do you hand water? Daily, every other day? runoff, no runoff? All my coco searching points me to always have runoff. But canna themself say to not have runoff after first watering, they have a seperate cogr line for drain2wast
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00110001001001111Oanswered grow question 2 months ago
forgot -- app is called hydrobuddy or growbuddy or i know there's a website that can do it too. i can't find the bookmark at this time but have found one before. I use my own spreadsheet and it doesn't find doses for target ppms like the apps and web apps can. I already tweaked mine for my local environemnt. my adjustments are easy enough to just type in new values and see new resulting ppms/ratios.
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00110001001001111Oanswered grow question 2 months ago
coco is soilless medium. Treat it as such. Coco itself is not special nor any different than any fibrous, solid substrate that absorbs water. All the magical things people associate with it are nonsense. So, fertilizing soilless is easy. 1) fertilize every time with 10% runoff or more -- this waste water is fine for plants in the earth but not potted plants if you don't want to throw it down the drain. 2) Wait for top layer to start to change color and repeat. A more developed plant you can increase frequency a bit. Make sure you have at least 1/3rd weight loss and you can fertigate more often and get a boost to growth. I'd follow this more pronounced wet-dry cycle early to promote thick roots to take advantage of any increased frequency later on. Coco has no nutes in it, so this is the way. A well balacned diet given each time and the runoff ensures it cannot build up. The resulting equilibrium may not be exactly the same as what you feed, but that is expected. The key is that it remains consistent - at which point any adjustment to formula also changes the resulting equilibrium. This is the super power of soiless growing and why you get better, faster growth compared to soils. use a free app to take your gauranteed analysis labels off each product you mix into solution and it can give you dosage to hit target ppms. this excludes anything your tap water adds and you may need small tweaks relative to local variables -- ratios will be the same, but overal concentration may deviate. Vege formual, fine for seedlings, too N 120-130 P 40-60 K 180-200 Ca 100+ Mg 75ish S 100+ your tap water and differing local variables may require a few adjustments, but it's a good start. Small adjustments needed based on observing the plant and how it grows. Within 1-2 grows you should have it dialed in where you barely think of it ever again. In flower, drop to ~100ppm N. If canopy continues to darken over first few weeks of flower, drop it further. easy-peasy. Should be fine otherwise. I regularly grow 6-7 different strains that pull off the same reservoir and in the last 4 years i've never had to hand water any "odd" plant that didn't like it and showed virtually no deficiency/toxicity symptoms at any point that matters. Most plants will show some 'ugly' the last few weeks due to senescence. The idea that these plants are uniquely picky is a product of poorly fed plants using esoteric formuals. This formula is not "mine." it's the product of research that several professional ag companies mimic for a soiless/hydro line of nutrients. Not some formula a random person growing a handful of plants and riddled with small sample size error created. it's trustworthy and results are easily repeatable for that reason.
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m0useanswered grow question 2 months ago
If its soilless I would water it like any other soiless mix. Mix up nutes, PH em, and water the medium till its fully saturated, get min 10% runoff to prevent buildup and bobs your uncle. The medium should have enough perlite or w/e mixed into it so as not to become waterlogged / overwatered, you will water it depending on how much it is drinking. normally this is every 2-3 days some people do this multiple times of day on a automatic system. I see in your diary you do not have anything else mixed into the medium with the coir, this could make this a bit more complicated, next run I would advise mixing in 30% perlite to aid in draining. for now follow their instructions and see how it goes. Water in slowley though, not all at once.
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Week 3. Vegetation
2 months ago
17 cm
20 hrs
24 °C
6
No Smell
700 PPM
60 %
20 °C
0 °C
21 °C
11 L
0 L
60 cm
Nutrients 4
CANNA Coco A - Canna
CANNA Coco A 2 mll
CANNA Coco B - Canna
CANNA Coco B 2 mll
CANNA RHIZOTONIC - Canna
CANNA RHIZOTONIC 2 mll
Day 15: I lowered the light to 60cm(32DLI) now I will let them grow into it and not touch it unless it remains squat. I have also just measured leaf temp and I had my offset set at -2c when it should have been -1c so my VPD was off and humidity was a bit high, sorted that and set VPD target to .8 kPa. Looking a bit droopy hope its just recovering from overwatering not nitrogen toxicity onset. Day 16: Last night I went to bed and she was looking nice then when I woke up it was drooping like hell and lights went out and I sprayed with neem oil and soap to start weekly IPM and when the lights come on it looked like it was wilted, the top of the pot was a lighter colour I think I let it get to dry as after I watered with 500ml of water with 200ml runoff (too much i know) within 5 hours it was looking pretty nice. Will start daily watering now and aim for max 10% runoff if any. Day 18: Noticed some of "the claw" so I dropped feed back to 1.1 and will consider a "flush" at 0.5-.7 EC with 1 liter of water. Overall tho still good growth so maybe I'll just drop the feed and see how it goes, I also had to drop the light a bit to 19inch as its only 13cm tall on its 5th set of leaves that puts the DLI to 38, I also pointed the fan more onto the plant to get more movement and try and get it to use more of the N up. Day 19: I think the clawing is reducing so just gonna keep monitoring it. Put some other plants in the tent so the OSPN got demoted from center stage, two solocups for the mephisto discord comp and a 3gal all organic soil using BioTabs, will be making diaries for those also. Day 20: First preflower pistils showing and vertical growth increased, shoots growing faster. Cut off the cotylydons and the other first 2 sets of leaves to expose the nodes as they where starting to touch the bottom of the fan leaves. I also staked out the first two sets of nodes a bit. D21: Seems to have responded well to the training and defol and grew alot in 24 hours. Will be updated daily check last weeks for more.
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Week 4. Vegetation
a month ago
19 cm
20 hrs
24 °C
6
Weak
750 PPM
62 %
20 °C
0 °C
21 °C
11 L
1 L
60 cm
Nutrients 4
CANNA Coco A - Canna
CANNA Coco A 2.3 mll
CANNA Coco B - Canna
CANNA Coco B 2.3 mll
CANNA RHIZOTONIC - Canna
CANNA RHIZOTONIC 2 mll
I think this strain is light sensitive so I backed the light off to 30dli, started adding cannaboost in last few feeds as I noticed preflowers pistils within the last week.
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Week 5. Flowering
a month ago
35 cm
18 hrs
24 °C
6
Weak
850 PPM
53 %
20 °C
0 °C
20 °C
11 L
1 L
60 cm
Nutrients 6
CANNA Coco A - Canna
CANNA Coco A 3 mll
CANNA Coco B - Canna
CANNA Coco B 3 mll
CANNA RHIZOTONIC - Canna
CANNA RHIZOTONIC 0.5 mll
Still seeing some burning on the tips but shes happy otherwise so not sure what to do. I actually upgraded to a 2x4 tent to make room for this bugger. Running 35DLI now at the end of week 5.
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Week 6. Flowering
22 days ago
48 cm
18 hrs
24 °C
6
Normal
900 PPM
53 %
20 °C
0 °C
20 °C
11 L
2 L
60 cm
Nutrients 6
CANNA Coco A - Canna
CANNA Coco A 3 mll
CANNA Coco B - Canna
CANNA Coco B 3 mll
CANNA RHIZOTONIC - Canna
CANNA RHIZOTONIC 0.5 mll
Wont touch it now till it stops stretching then I'll give it a lollipop and defoliation, nice to see purple in the flower and not just the name. Looks like its starting to beg for some P or K but I'm waiting till stretch stops before I start adding cannas PK boost.
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Week 7. Flowering
15 days ago
51 cm
24 hrs
26 °C
6
Strong
900 PPM
53 %
20 °C
0 °C
22 °C
11 L
2 L
60 cm
Nutrients 7
CANNA Coco A - Canna
CANNA Coco A 3.4 mll
CANNA Coco B - Canna
CANNA Coco B 3.4 mll
CANNA RHIZOTONIC - Canna
CANNA RHIZOTONIC 0.5 mll
Shes pretty but dont think it will fatten up much, smells very fruity tropical with a hint of sour, love the golden hue to the resin. Stretch ended at 51cm from the top of the pot, I had to backfill some coco so its probably more like 60cm. Started adding canna pk 13/14 at 1ml/l for now will upto 1.5ml/l after a few days and end the pk addition after 7 days from starting.
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Week 8. Flowering
7 days ago
51 cm
24 hrs
26 °C
6
Normal
550 PPM
53 %
20 °C
0 °C
22 °C
11 L
2 L
60 cm
Nutrients 6
CANNA Coco A - Canna
CANNA Coco A 2.5 mll
CANNA Coco B - Canna
CANNA Coco B 2.5 mll
CANNA RHIZOTONIC - Canna
CANNA RHIZOTONIC 0.5 mll
Switched to RO water with Athena balance at 1ml/l for PH stabilization of mixed nutrient. My tap water had too much bicarbonate and was doing my head in. I already had the filter from previous hobby (reef tanks). I stopped using power si as theres no point Athena balance gives plenty of silica I will only use the power si for foliar from veg till stretch basically. I fed pk 13/14 for a week and backed EC down to 1.1 and have been feeding that since. Good week of just watering and watching. I am loving the colors and smells coming off this. It started as mango now I get strawberry, I will warn that at one point it smelt like I was getting wiffs of dogshit from it like an overripe rotting fruit lol. The side branches are almost if not bigger than the main cola bud wise. Great genetics well done Mephisto. Look at this plant and I'm a total noob I cant take any credit, just followed what Canna said to do and sourced some solid genetics.
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Grow4Releaf
Grow4Releafcommentedweek 02 months ago
First grow, best of luck with it. Donno if uve looked into it, but DLI for ur lights , it helps to read up on for each stage .. incase u were unaware (Dr.bugbee on youtube explains a good bit easy to understand his indoor hemp production video covers alot that covers the basic inputs u can control indoor) Best of luck tho, just threw a few things out there seeing ur just starting. Off to a good start tho !!
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Grow4Releafcommented2 months ago
@zugzugnugnug, just making sure u were aware is all *mentioned first grow* so just threw it out but u seen it ur good 👍🏻(he is saying if ur other parameters are inline yes u can hammer down) but u watched them and u know obviously lol.
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zugzugnugnugcommented2 months ago
@Grow4Releaf, The DLI is at 19 (220 par @ 24 hours) I had it at 14 originally but I watched a bugbee vid and he said seedlings dont need super low DLI and in his testing they can be blasted.
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