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Two Big Bull In A One Pen

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2 weeks ago
Indoor
Room Type
Soil
Medium
LST
Technique
FIMing
Technique
Defoliation
Technique
LED
Vegetation Lights
LED
Flowering Lights
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Grow Conditions
Week 12
Flowering
25
inch
cm
Height
9.84
inch
cm
Height
22 hrs
Light Schedule
25
°F
°C
Day Air Temperature
77
°F
°C
Day Air Temperature
6
pH
1200
mS/cm
PPM
TDS
2.4
mS/cm
PPM
EC
50%
Air Humidity
Normal
Smell
22
°F
°C
Solution Temperature
72
°F
°C
Solution Temperature
22
°F
°C
Substrate Temperature
72
°F
°C
Substrate Temperature
22
°F
°C
Night Air Temperature
72
°F
°C
Night Air Temperature
4.76
gal
l
Pot Size
18
gal
l
Pot Size
30
inch
cm
Lamp To Plant Distance
11.81
inch
cm
Lamp To Plant Distance
0.53
gal
l
Watering Volume Per Plant Per 24h
2
gal
l
Watering Volume Per Plant Per 24h
Nutrients
Commented by whopee whopee
2 weeks ago

New Advanced Nutrients Additives:
* Piranha (Fungi) - didn't have opportunity to give it earlier and the Manu recommends to give it not only by the start of Veg but also by the start of Bloom, might be due to correlation with the Stretch. I give it now.
* Tarantula (Microbes)
* SensiZym (Enzymes) - they say at the store that it will be used as meal by microbes..., but I still decided to give it.

+ Final Stage booster:
Plagron Green Sensation - Enzymes / Booster (secret "building blocks" as Manu state) / PK / Sap flow enhancer - had to update my nuts Formula starting giving this as it got very big PK like many final stage boosters

ANALYSIS:
By the start of this week It's only 2-3 weeks since Big Light & Nutrients roundout with great results in Buds growth and apperiance.
Seems like 2-3 more weeks should make Buds fatten with worthy aroma, taste and potency.

FEEDING:
30% > PK + more micros, aminos, enzymes etc. = 1000 ppm total (base + all additives used)

VISUAL:
The next day after this tuff watering I see some bottom and upper leaves (some sugars as well) getting more yellow - I wonder whats that about?
Do I need to give more "N"? Nowadays ration P/N = 210 %
Or it's just the Mother nature making the plants older...

TRICHS:
!!! Cut off one sugar leaf close to top of one bud and looked into the microscope (see the picture enclosed) - they are partly milky with some amber and several dark amber.
Can I loose the potency of harvest if giving 2 more bloom weeks total (1 flush week including) or it will just change the effect from "Sativa" high to "Indica" stoned?
This is the question I got there and will address to you, Boys & Girls using special service of this beautiful website... :-)

Grow Questions
whopee week 12 started grow question 2 weeks ago
Thank you all in advance for your advice there! I ask you taking a look at the Trichs and give your opinion whether I can give these girls 2 more weeks (or more..). I see buds getting bigger each day with many white pistils. But I wonder whether I can loose the potency this way.
Other General Questions
Show all Answers (1)
Cbalderson60 answered grow question 1 week ago
By appearance yes you are 2 weeks away from harvest. Pistols are still sticking straight up no signs of calyx swelling either. Which most of the weight will be put on in these last 2 weeks. Patience! Another your looking at trichomes that are on sugar leaves. Ignore these the ones you need to monitor are on the actual buds itself. Only way youl lose potency is if you harvested today weed will be weak. 5 to 20% amber on trichomes is the goal to shoot for.
motaman311 answered grow question 2 weeks ago
buds are looking great.. The pics of the trichomes are on the fan leaves, the ones on the calyxes are the ones you should look at when referencing bud maturity and harvest times. I like only ~5% amber for most strains. If she getting larger, then I wouldn't harvest early because how mature will those trichomes be on the newly formed bud?? You should give those new trichomes a little time to mature too. :facepunch:
B4RNS answered grow question 2 weeks ago
Is my weed ready or not ? Is it still swelling or not ? Should I let it go longer or should I cut it down ? It’s simple, is it still drinking big amounts of water or did it stop drinking like a maniac, the swell stop when the plant start to use less water than usual :wink: By the trichomes, it’s ready for harvest, but question is, is it still swelling ?
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Comments
whopee
whopee week 12

@motaman311,
I also want to give them more time to mature and to grow bigger ))
You are absolutely right, I should take a sample of some Calyxes (in my case - that was a sample of a Sugar leaf, not the Fan). B4RNS says something close to what you did the next post after. They continue to grow, so that's why I wanna continue feeding a lil more. And as I have a cleaning product of AN (Flawless Finish), I think several flushes would be enough which would take 1 week in my case watering 1/3 days.
Big thanks for your participation, dude!

@B4RNS,
Yes man, seems like they drink the same amounts: 2L for 18L pot (16-17L maybe even as it's not fully loaded with). Want to remind you that there are 2 plants in this 1 pot :))
And the main answer - they do swell much compared to how they looked like 2 weeks ago. That's why I want to feed a lil more.
I also feed every watering. It was not a problem in the past as I gave much less ppm, but for the next watering I suppose I should somehow make my NPK lower or use just RO_water+Cal-Mag+Organic_additives & Boosters.
Your opinion on this would be highly appreciated, my friend :)
Thanks for assist!

B4RNS
B4RNS

@whopee, keep only : Bud Candy , Sensizyme, Alg-A-Mic, Acti-Vera, Bio-Heaven, GHE Flora Bloom, for another week then give them a good flush and let them finish on plain water only . Harvest in 2 weeks approximately

whopee
whopee

@B4RNS, Yes man, they are, right you are... :)
Thanks for you being keeping in touch with us!
I would appreciate that much if you could expand your idea on feeding.

Since 3rd week I feed these "2 girls inna 1 pot" with 2L of solution 1/3 days (including the day of feeding). So we can say 2L for 3 days they got there.
* As you all told me to prepare for Nuts_cut_off & Flushing period I decided to check what's up with my Runoff, so I checked it these last 2 feedings.
It took me ~2.5L of RO_water (15-20ppm) to get runoff:
- after feeding with 1000 ppm (+30% PK) 3 waterings ago I got: 630ppm / 6.5ph
- after next one with 1200-1300 ppm (+15%N / +30%PK) I got: 660ppm / 6.1ph
- so the last one like yesterday I gave the same amounts of 1300 ppm.
Speaking about 700-900 ppm you advise, what should I cut off? N/P/K together by the same %, or PK only? My current P/N ratio = 240% (I give not many N, but still > by 15-20% than many other charts say by this stage).

Asking this to receive the goal we were speaking about - "they can give me more" :D
The Pros that tell me not to give much less:
- there are 2 plants in a pot;
- the runoff ppm didn't rise much after I gave +300ppm of Nuts;
- nowadays I flush 2.5L before using Nuts solution, so as I suppose, those 1300ppm can be considered like diluted by some% (when I feed 2L after that flushing - I get about 1.3 back out as the soil is already wet and the drainage is perfect).

Maybe I should stop those regular flushing before feedings and just give less ppm like you advised? I understand that with flushing I loose some of my Soil resources & mb even microbes while cleaning it from salt buildups as well.
Need your tips, Dude :)
Thanks in advance!

B4RNS
B4RNS

@whopee, that’s what I’ve tough, they’re still swelling and can give you more.
Light feeding + Mag Sulfur ( not Cal-Mag at this stage bro :wink: ) + Enzymes .
Stop any PK boosters :octagonal_sign:
Keep it between 700 to 900 ppm’s

Mrs_Larimar
Mrs_Larimar week 12

moin moin, hier werde ich mal auf deutsch antworten. Gib deinem Mädel von heute an nur noch wasser mitBudcandy... um die vielen zutaten aus ihren system zu spülen.Stell die Lady in die badewanne oder dusche und spüle sie ordentlich mit kalten langsam laufenden wasser durch. lass sie noch für 1-2 std abtropfen und dann wieder zurück in den growschrank. wenn möglich mche das vor der lichtperiode. Bzw so daß sie noch ein paar stunden wärme und licht und luft hat zu trocknen. Dies wiederholst du alle 3-5 Tage. Die blätter werden sich deutlich entfärben und auch der " runoff" wird eine andere farbe bekommen. Du kannst ja jetz mal ein blatt nehmen und zerkauen und dir merken wie es schmeckt. Nachdem du gespült hat sollte das blatt süßer und neuttraler schmecken. so weißt du dass die ganzen dünger und ilfstofe aus der pflanze sind

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Mrs_Larimar
Mrs_Larimar

@whopee,hhah that awkward, i thought you are a german talker

thats so funny....

whopee
whopee

@Mrs_Larimar,
ohh, I see now, thanks for the comment... I used translator to get your GE post ))
what temperature would you recommend?

Mrs_Larimar
Mrs_Larimar

@whopee, iam talking about flushing not rinsing.. and no if you go in the bottom area and flush the soil... happens nothing, because you are taking cold water too.. cold water is the sign of hey comon its time for harvest. some do their flushing with icebubes. So if you do it or not .. is your descision... and the yellowing in that stage is just a sign of getting ready....

Mr_Mary_Jane
Mr_Mary_Jane week 12

Gorgeous. Can't wait for mine to get to this stage. Good job!

whopee
whopee

@Mr_Mary_Jane, thx, Friend!
I think soon :)
I FIMed them both so they showed preflowers a bit later (I suppose), by the end of 5th week. The flowers started to show by 6th and a big stretch was seen by the 7th week there.

Fitzwell
Fitzwell week 12

they look ready to explode

whopee
whopee week 12

Here we are - the reply from Nirvana Seeds being well received:
"There are a number of factors that can influence the duration of the flowering cycle, hence the irregular numbers you find online. Our flowering times on our website are just a guideline and set on grows in optimal conditions. If there is any environmental factors that has negative effect on your plants, it can extend the flowering period. But if your growing environment is optimal, your plants should have a sprout to harvest cycle of between 11 to 13 weeks".

Sooooo, since Manu puts it this way, 13 - is my favourite number :))
We'll try sticking to this mark having 1,5 week in stock at least and be wise the same time..
Groundhog saw the Shade :D

btw, posted some new pics relating to yellowing after previous feeding I was speaking about. You can also check the way I play with Nuts formula there. It looks complicated, but it's just a Table with feeding rates of 5 different charts and comparison (%) to the numbers I play with (focus on the bright Yellow headings. "Main" - last feeding / "Test" - previous one)

whopee
whopee week 12

The life period for this strain (AK48 Auto by Nirvana) is stated like 56 within my local dealer.
But still can't get, whether it's from germination or just flowering period length...
It would be nice to get this information from Nirvana (they don't have it right now at the store, so no official data for me). I'll Try to contact em via e-mail.
Right now we are 79/44 of total/bloom respectively.