Ok so not much has changed, they are still stretching a little bit and still don't have a strong smell until you touch it then its really skunky right now, I'm hoping it gets stronger but we'll see and they are starting to get really small trichs on the sugar leaves so that's good, I was worried that they might not get that frosty, I'm definitely going with smaller pots next time maybe 5gallon or 3gallon, so far I'm pretty happy with how they are growing, I'm not defoliating unless I have to I want to see how they turn out without doing it and just tucking leaves, I'm still only using Recharge and Myco Chum and the plants seem to be happy with it it's a lot easier with live soil than coco in my opinion