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female seeds auto blueberry FL
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weeks 4-6, 9
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LordAzrael LordAzrael
5 years ago
**** Sat 14 Dec **** It's 4 weeks since they sprouted and now they're out in the garage Carbon filter is doing it's job - no smell at all New, bigger tent has arrived 70 x 70 x 160 cm - might have the time today to put this up **** Tues 16 Dec **** Put the new tent up on Sunday My humidifier arrives tomorrow Making do with jugs of water and wet towels until then I'm thinking I may have been under-watering them as: * I've managed to keep temperatures pretty high with artificial heating * humidity is very low * they're under lights 24 hours a day * pots are quite small at 8 liters When watered, they don't immediately rebound - perhaps because the humidity is so low? I'm guessing this is a problem not faced by most growers *********** Right - that's week 5 done - another very stressful week! I thought at one point the "Black" plant (the smaller one that was originally in the little black pot) - I thought it was dead It's leaves were drooping, it felt so dry Watering it made no difference, it still looked sad However now after getting humidity up a bit and more responsive watering I think it's recovering Meanwhile the other (red pot) plant went bananas, stretching out like mad - then it seemed to stall, again I think reacting to the new environment and low humidity I do think I've given these two a great deal of stress - changing environments every week Very glad I've got two - good to compare them - they are both reacting very differently Anyway it's been an interesting learning experience... and about 5 weeks to go
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Grow Questions
LordAzrael
LordAzraelstarted grow question 5 years ago
I'm wondering what light to get - I have a small tent (same as growdiaries.com/diaries/21875-first-time-blueberry-autoflower) At the moment they're in the house When they start to smell the tent is going to have to go in the garage where it gets pretty cold 😎
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rhodes68
rhodes68answered grow question 5 years ago
Ok let me understand this since you are constrained on character count. Dont buy a light to heat the tent just yet. You need a light for UP to 3x3 I am with Grey Wolf on that TS-1000, have one in a 2.5 ft veg tent and love it. Excellent full spectrum light, Migrow did a review on youtube recently IIRC. You will need enough head space for @20 inches of distance from plants. Price is just unreal good. Now lets keep those plants indoors. Seriously get a carbon filter and a 4 inch extraction fan. pull the air out clean it and just dump it in the house it will reduce your heating bill and you will smell no more than venting outside. It works I am using exactly that. That is also very difficult to impossible to detect from outside the home or even another room. In summer you may have to deal with heat but hell who doesnt :)
LordAzrael
LordAzraelstarted grow question 5 years ago
Humidity in the tent - is it a problem? Outside the tent in the garage it's 7° C (45° F) and 70% RH Inside the tent (with 800 W heating), it's nice 25° C, but 20% RH I can bump it up with wet towels/spray Any other growers with similar circumstances / advice?
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CRiSPrGrow
CRiSPrGrowanswered grow question 5 years ago
hey there growmie, the relationship between humidity and temperature is called VPD (vapor pressure deficit) and it regulates the growth rate of the plant. Especially in veg and at the seedling stage it's important. The difference will be huge. At the seedling stage you really dont need to water that much but you can put a glass bowl or dome on top of the seedling, this will help the seedling actually create its own atmosphere. Probably after a few days it will be 70/80 RH in the glass dome which is a good thing the first 2-3 weeks. at different stages in growth you'll need different temp/humidity ratios, just check the VPD charts and you'll know what's the best conditions for you. Great work getting the temperature down to 25°C though ! Hope this helps ! 🚀
LordAzrael
LordAzraelstarted grow question 5 years ago
I don't have a PH meter, just some test strips. Can anyone recommend an inexpensive meter I can get in the UK? There's a bit of yellowing on some leaves (see my diary entry on week 8) Buds seem to be developing a bit slow Should I switch from 24 hr to 20/4 or 18/6 ?
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Wicked_Stix
Wicked_Stixanswered grow question 5 years ago
I would avoid pH meters if possible. Technically you have to calibrate your meter before every use if you want to be 100% sure it will give an accurate reading. I use the GHE ph test kit drops. The colors are very clear and much easier to read than strips. You will get accurate results every time. And yes I would cut your light back to 18 hours. I ran a grow 24 the entire time and the light intensity starts to take a toll on the leaves. It also looks like you are a little heavy on the nutrients so I would back off of them a little. It is a good idea to give 2 plain waterings in between every feed in soil. Good luck!
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AsNoriu
AsNoriuweek 8
In flower you should touch girl as less as posible. I do two rounds of defoliation, but i leave a bit of leaf stemp, the way i dont touch flower while cuting. But to punish her constantly a bit looks bad for me, but it works with tamatoes, so should work here aswell, i just hate to see my girls sad or raped ;)))
AsNoriu
AsNoriu
@LordAzrael, if plant is happy trim if still sick, wait till happy. Simple as ... ;) You have couple big fan leaves covering other top buds, those should go 4sure plus some of them have light damdge. Never trim leave who has no stemp visible, leave it inside of flower. Never trim highest fully formed leaves nod or anything above them. All down is good to go if you need. I like to trim now, than to have loads of airy popcorn nugs at the end and trim that shit. I lolitop and defoliate, but my plants ussualy even when sick looks healthier than most i see here ;) A bit cocky, but maybe thats why i get away with heavy damadge i make to them sometimes... Your plant is still stretching i would take down like 3 leaves total , who covers other tops ( what you had to do a bit earlier in preflower or veg mode ), and would wait a week till day 41 of flower for final trim, every leaf you take slows down strech of that branch, you have to know time when to do it to force plant on not creating new leaf but bigger bud.
LordAzrael
LordAzrael
@AsNoriu, I was thinking, let them recover for a few days, then trim just badly burned fan leaves Does this sound like a good idea?
AsNoriu
AsNoriuweek 8
For me they look overfed, tips burning. With ph meter its either drops and colour of water or Bluelab ph pen. Have like 50 cheap ones, why i was so dumb and not invested right at begining, would save me a fortune ;) Now will buy bluelabs soil ph meter, need like two salaries and i will have it. Hope you wont do my mistake.
AsNoriu
AsNoriu
@LordAzrael, on uk's ebay you will find it for 70 quid. You will still have to calibrate it from time to time, but if it falls into a water or just on floor it doesnt brake, really solid, kind of thing if you will care about should last you all your life. Had always 3 cheap ones, even straight after group calibration all 3 where showing dif results. Still do same shit with ppm and count average ;))) Cheap way is drops with small range of ph to check. Last you all grow, cost like 5-7 quid. But those hard to find ussualy range is wide and colour very blury, but they have editions like 6-7.5 ph range or so those are really good and always in true numbers.
LordAzrael
LordAzrael
@AsNoriu, thanks for the comment. The Bluelabs PH pens look like a quality item (but damned expensive) The cheap pens on Amazon have so many bad reviews - reluctant to throw away money on them
Ganjagrandaddy
Ganjagrandaddyweek 3
Mate just been going through the werks.new light looks good but ffs use that heat.lpl your taking heat out and adding heat in ?????????? The heat sink is supposed to get hot and will cope , drop the height a little and if you can turn the wattage down if need be. The heat will circulate and you will be able to lose the radiator( another plants space!) Tou seem to be battling against yourself on this score. I hope I have it wrong a bit and have missed something instead of seeing you struggle like this.
Ganjagrandaddy
Ganjagrandaddy
@LordAzrael,Thanks mate , very encouraging comments. I use a cheap bubble wrap silver insulation off amazon. if you buy some double sided and line outside your tent with it in the garage. You will stop cold coming in in winter and also heat for summer. It is amazing stuff for so cheap a price too. I use it to line dwc buckets too. it is designed to not transfer heat/cold through hut also not allow any out too. We are at around 5°c at night and not much more in the day yet even with Led lighting and my dehumidifier running , instill done need to add heat !!. the temp is at 25°c and rh at 67%. Thisbstuff is amazing. I will add a few seconds to my update tomorrow and show you the stuff on a roll and how versatile it is. My previous dwc grow here has buckets lined with it to give you an example. kept my res temps at 19°c for the whole grow.
LordAzrael
LordAzrael
@Ganjagrandaddy, to be honest on 12 Nov I just had a few seeds, a little second hand tent and half a dozen 10w spotlights - wasn't expecting so much to happen! The little radiator is on at 50% and has a thermostat so not on all the time. I'm thinking of putting it in a separate small box alongside the tent and running a bit of pipe so the inlet air is warmed up. Unfortunately the LED generates very little heat - in the new bigger tent I just have a fan pushing some of the warmer air down to the plants. The fan is on the "low" setting so not losing too much heat - I threw out an old freezer to make space and I'm sure that damned thing was wasting more. At worst I think the garage gets down to 4° C but that's going to be February I reckon. Looking forward to your next video BTW!
CRiSPrGrow
CRiSPrGrowweek 5
Hey there growmie, the humidity is really important you can fix it more easily in veg just by using a dome and spraying with water up to six times a day. To learn more about vpd check this out : https://getpulse.co/blog/vpd anything else you need let me know 👊
CRiSPrGrow
CRiSPrGrow
@LordAzrael, you should see how big the rooms are for the next grows 😉
LordAzrael
LordAzrael
@CRiSPrGrow, thanks for the tips - my problem is more keeping temps up above 7° without drying out the air in the process! Humidifier ordered and should arrive tomorrow. Like your diaries - would love to have a grow room I could walk into!
AsNoriu
AsNoriuweek 4
Small tip, when you do lst always release bottom branch, just pull her up or twist the stemp for both branches/nods to be in one horizontal line. Otherwise she wont develop and thats main stalks one of bigger future buds... Good luck !
AsNoriu
AsNoriuweek 2
I dont understand your watering politics, but if you water not once daily its TOO MUCH Use spay bottle max and only for leaves. Give 6 hours ( not less than six ) of darkness, first two weeks is more than enough for 24 in my mind... If you plan those 8 liters as final pots - dont do it. Had in summer run with 10 and 12 liters, both too small, had many problems related and shit harvest. 20 is the one to have. Transplanting multiple times never good, unless you go for monster plant and time is irelivant to you .. Man and please check how to weight pots for watering, if you keep good ph and right watering - you 80 % in sucsess already. Ph and good watering cycle thats all you need to follow ! Your plant needs like 20 ml of water now, check how with watering to form roots... Dont miss those two points and no more advices will be needed ! ;)
Mrs_Larimar
Mrs_Larimarweek 1
You can get an exhaust filtr against the smell. growing under 20 degree is quite impossible... and here are the links to the lights #marshydroaliblackfriday2019 there is abig black friday action running https://www.ebay.de/itm/Spider-Farmer-2000w-LED-Grow-Light-Quantum-Board-Samsung-Diodes-Full-Spectrum/233302733013?hash=item3651ed30d5:g:MlkAAOSw5hVdQtIr... or look here for the SF-1000 I use both of those Quantumboards they are just great... shiny sunlight . plants love it vry much for a 60x60 cm tent a 100 watt is enough, if its bigger get the next higher , you can look into my diaries and we can talk about the possibilities for you....
Mrs_Larimar
Mrs_Larimarweek 1
and you can go much closer to the seeds..... they are stretching// looking for light
DudeGrowsWeed
DudeGrowsWeedweek 1
For heating considerations, I go with HPS or CMH. LED’s are great but won’t help much to keep the heat up. However, you may have the opposite issue in the summer. Good luck!
LordAzrael
LordAzraelweek 2
Wish I could do 20 liter pots but I'll only just fit two 8 liters in this tiny tent! Ideally they would have gone straight into the bigger pots but the postal service let me down... @AsNoriu - I checked out your diaries - very impressive - that's one heck of a grow room
AsNoriu
AsNoriu
@LordAzrael, i dont know, maybe under your setup you will make it, but whenever plants reached halve desent size and they where autos in 2nd or so week of flower i started to have root problems and the whole palet of other problems, plants dried too quick, overdried, when i water them heavy its just drowns roots for 6 hours, 6 -12 hours they ok and next is too dry. Nut lockouts, small buds, early bud rot, name it. Had it all with all untransplanted plants. 4 auto strains in indoor / outdoor and outdoor splited into green house and gorilla grow. At least 6 pots of each strain. Half went to buble hash midseason. Never again i would try small pot, even if canopy would have to be 5 inch tall max. To make bonzai from healty plant anyone can, to make plant healthy in small pot - only Jesus in my mind ;))
LordAzrael
LordAzraelweek 9
When to harvest? I was looking here: https://www.growweedeasy.com/why-is-my-weak-weed ...and as it says: "2.) Harvested Too Early" "...buds harvested too early are more likely to give you headaches or racing thoughts..." This is exactly what I found when I tried a popcorn bud a week ago (day 52) ...although this could have been due to my awful hangover, or the fact I was just coming down with flu which has seen me layed up all week Has anyone else had experience of "too early" weed? Any idea why this would be? What happens in the final weeks?
LordAzrael
LordAzraelweek 2
I am pretty much set on a Spider Farmer SF-1000 or the Mars Hydro TS-1000 This tent is I think just too small for a HPS or CMH My only issue with venting indoors is with fan noise! We will have visitors over Christmas - don't want them wondering about the big noisy box in the corner... Annoying as we have a huge garage (and a big loft too) but it will be pretty damned cold by then
LordAzrael
LordAzraelweek 1
Thanks for all comments