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Blackberry Breath #3 (JOTI)
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Blackberry breath #4
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Blackberry breath #5
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Blackberry breath #6
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Blackberry breath #7
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HID/600W
Custom
FL/600W
Fluence
Indoor
Room Type
Topping
weeks 4-5, 7
LST
weeks 5-9
FIMing
weeks 5-6
ScrOG
weeks 8-20
HST
weeks 8-9
Defoliation
weeks 4-15, 19
Soil
Grow medium
Grow Conditions
Week 11
Vegetation
43.18
cm
inch
Height
18 hrs
Light Schedule
15+ conditions after
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Nutrients
ml/l
ml/gal
tsp/gal
Bottled water
15.85 ml/l
EM1 microbes
0.264 ml/l
MagnifiCal - Remo Nutrients
MagnifiCal
1 ml/l
Grow Technique Usage
ScrOG
Technique
Defoliation
Technique
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Kushizlez Kushizlez
4 years ago
Day 70-77 (Day 71) Not exactly sure why but node spacing on bbb 6&7 is super tight still. Their stems are also harder and less bendy, almost like they’re root bound. Bbb #5 in my veg tent is looking bizarre and I’m at a loss for what to do. I’ve been looking up and asking around about the leaf crinkle and no one seems to know what’s wrong. Trashing a pheno of this would hurt. It could be a keeper too as I don’t think the problem is genetic. It’s definitely root bound but that doesn’t cause contorted new growth like that. I’ve concluded that it’s my dense soil coupled with root bound issues, overwatering and high RH. (Day 72) Later tonight I’m going to give bbb 5 a bath tub flush until it’s reading 200ppms, drain it well and then transplant into a 3g pot with lightly amended soil. I’m also going to give it a light defoliation. I don’t mind stressing the shit out of this plant right now because I won’t be flipping for another week at least. With the small container it will run out of amended nutes mid flower so I will hit it with a few synthetic feedings around then to test out the smokabilty and taste compared to organic nutrients. I might as well give the rest a good defoliation on the rest of the plants too. I will try to get most of what is under the trellis. (Day 73) I definitely defoliated #7 waaay too much. Since it’s tucked away in the corner and a really bushy plant I can’t train it as well as the others. I cut most of the sucker branches and the majority of the lower fans. This should prevent the need to defoliate at all until week 3 of flower. (Day 74) I’ve been reading that higher temperatures with a high RH can affect growth big time. It could be what’s causing all the crinkling and twisting. And now that the plants are in very late veg they could probably benefit from a lower RH. When I was running my temps around 74-78F and 70% RH I was in the perfect range. Now that I’m around 82-86F with the same 70% RH that could be what’s causing it. Hotter air holds more moisture than cooler air and proper vpd at 84F is around 75-80%. I’m going to turn up the speed on my carbon filter and set my controller to 75%. If I don’t see a difference or it gets worse I will drop to 65 and go from there. (Day 76) I finally got the lights raised up another 4 inches or so. It’s not much but it should help reduce the intensity and stretch the nodes more. I’m starting to think the super tight node spacing and droopy/contorted growth has more to do with something I’ve been reading about called ‘soil compaction’. Apparently farmers often deal with compacted soil in fields from running tractors over it all day. When I potted the plants I gave them a good little jiggle to compact the soil down further so I could fit a bit more in the container. I think this could be the culprit as they don’t seem to be drying out evenly. Even the plants in my other room are not drying out like they should and it’s probably from compacting too. With the addition of rock dust and dry amendments the soil can become sandy/clay like and retain a lot more moisture. Wish I would have added a few more liters of perlite and packed the soil a bit looser. Either way I need to get this problem sorted ASAP before I get root rot. Earlier in the season when I overwatered, I stuck a fish tank air pump into the soil and it aerated the soil enough to prevent overwatering. The only reason I discontinued it is because it didn’t have much effect in the 1.7g pots. I just ordered a 36w 6 way fish tank pump that is way more powerful. It was 50 bucks and I’m willing to take a gamble on it. It seems to be my only option at the moment because I can’t just repot. Worst case scenario I can use it for brewing compost teas if it doesn’t work. I’m not sure how well this will work in a giant fabric pot but it’s worth a shot. I’ve heard of people supplementing additional air into raised garden beds with great results. I’m picking off some of the new auxiliary branches to try and widen the node spacing. Growth is definitely slow and stunted but no signs of deficiencies. I just thought of another theory on the node spacing... and the more I think about it, the more I think it’s the mystery problem. I’ve been foliar spraying with 1-1-1 VeloKelp at pretty high concentrations 2-3 times per week. I have heard in passing that kelp and seaweed can somehow reduce stretch. A quick google search reveals that Ascophyllum Nodosum Seaweed and other marine algae extracts contain large amounts of hormones and auxins that reduce plant height and stretch. *facepalm* Guess I’ll stop that for the rest of the cycle. As far as I know there is nothing I can really do but wait for the plant to use up all those excess hormones and nutes. The recent 0-0-15 seaweed extract and 1-0-3 kelp meal I bought is derived from the same kind as the velokelp. I guess I won’t use it again until week 3 or 4 in flower. Tight nodes are very useful in flower but aren’t desirable at all in when trying to scrog in veg. Especially when they’re like a half inch apart. It slows the shit out of a grow. Vietnamese and biker gangs in my area used to grow SOG style and use a synthetic PGR hormone (meant for bonsai trees) called ‘paclobutrazol’ that would make the weed rock hard dense so they wouldn’t have to pay people as much to trim it. I’ve heard that in recent years they have made the switch to using kelp extracts because paclo is getting harder find and is not meant for food crops let alone smokeable crops. I’m ashamed of it but I have smoked pounds of PGR weed long before I knew what a PGR was. 🤷‍♂️ (Day 77) One more theory. Ever since raising up the plants up onto that shelf the root zone is probably significantly warmer and the bottom of the pot (where most of the roots are) drys out way quicker. It’s possible that the warmer root zone could not be holding dissolved oxygen at the proper rate resulting in that over/underwatered look. Or it could be that I’m not watering enough at once to reach the bottom of the pot where the roots are and it’s indeed under watered. I’m going to water in a gallon when I get my new air pump and see if that makes any positive change. If I see the new air pump making a difference, I will flip on the 21st of April. If I don’t see a difference, I will carefully untangle the plants from the scrog net and remove the shelf. That extra foot should make a massive difference with ppfd and will cool down the roots significantly too. I’m thinking about grabbing a simple soil/compost thermometer to check the temp of the medium. Better safe than sorry. Rough week. Hopefully everything get smoothed out in the next little while before I flip.
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Grow Questions
Kushizlez
Kushizlezstarted grow question 4 years ago
Can someone please tell me why under the grow conditions tab, all of my temperatures say 50F degrees? I keep trying to edit it but it just goes back to saying 50F... Anyone else having this problem? I tried it on mobile and desktop and it seems to be glitching out on both.
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Philindicus
Philindicusanswered grow question 4 years ago
I'm dealing with the same issue with my 2 newest diaries your not alone. I'm going to message GD with the issue. You should also do the same. 👌 GD is good about correcting IT issues quickly.
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raptor65
raptor65week 2
Your grow looks to be coming along great 👍, good luck and all the best to you on your road to harvest😉🙏
Kushizlez
Kushizlez
@raptor65, ty sir ✌️
Superjd
Superjdweek 20
Great grow full of plump flowers and useful detailed diary too. Very useful as I learn myself in a second grow.
Experimentgreen
Experimentgreenweek 4
Hey @growdiaries any idea how to fix the temp auto loading and being unchangeable? Thanks.✌️
Garreweedlover
Garreweedloverweek 17
Hermoso cultivo amigo , de verdad hermoso . Si puedes hecha un vistaso en mis seguimientos y deja un like jejejej saaludos
RussianGrower
RussianGrowerweek 13
Greetings from Russia! Your plants look great! Keep developing in the same spirit! If you are interested in watching the adventures of weed in Russia, then subscribe to my diary
MiPotFarm
MiPotFarmweek 8
Nice work! 👏👍🤟👌