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ActioPauliana ActioPauliana
5 years ago
The last 10 days or so have been a real struggle. Around day 10 I noticed the seedlings were a bit droopy. They were still looking healthy and were growing fast. They also tended to be less droopy after the lights were on for several hours. However, from day 13 they really started to droop. I was fertilizing twice a day and I noticed some algae growing at the jiffy pallets. The plants were in 1L fabric pots, filled with coco and 35% perlite. I figured overwatering couldn’t be a problem. The runoff measured around 1.0 EC and pH 5.8, so that seemed also in check. They were growing their 4th node and I figured maybe they were rootbound. On day 14 I transplanted them into 4L fabric pots (also coco and 35% perlite). When I transplanted, I found out the roots were completely underdeveloped. Just one flimsy central root with a few sides. There wasn’t a root ball at all. After the second plant, it became clear all the plants were in the same condition. To make matters even worse, during the transplant process, I damaged the roots. It was an impossible job to get them out of their 1L fabric seedling pots. I’ll never use a fabric pot as a seedling cup again (although, since there were barely any roots, there wasn’t a ‘ball’ that sticks together, which also makes it a lot harder). The whole process was pure horror. Why did my seedlings began to droop? Why were the roots completely underdeveloped? I fertigated twice a day (tapwater EC 0.5, EC of feeding mix 1.3, pH 6.4. I build up to EC 1.3 slowly, day by day) with a good 20% runoff (EC 1.0, pH 5.8). This strategy was based on information on the website Cocoforcannabis. However, looking around on other famous websites and forums, I found a lot of people having success with a wet/dry cycle on coco (but not completely dry!), at least for the first few weeks, to help the roots develop. Most people seemed to be using a root stimulant if they are using a high frequency fertigation strategy. With that in mind, I adopted a new strategy and fertigate every 2 to 3 days since day 14 (which is now 4 days ago). They are in 4L pots and barely have any roots, hence it takes a while for the coco to dry a bit. The plants have recovered a bit: only one of them is still really droopy, but the others look a little better compared to last Sunday. Recovery was and is also harder, since we have extremely dry weather, quite rare in my region. RH dropped below 35%. With some wet towels in the grow tent and the exhaust on the lowest, I’m able to push RH to around 45%. The lights are dimmed to around 40%, pulling 140 watts (320 being the maximum). Last: I’m still in doubt over watering was the only cause of my problems. Off course, the transplant shocked them hard, stunted their growth completely, but I already had problems before that. A lot of sources say over watering in a coco/perlite mix in fabric pots (and these were only 1L pots) is impossible. However, my coco was always wet and there was some algae growing around the jiffy pallets. Did I grow lazy roots? Is there anything I’m missing? How to get these plants to thrive? Any help would be really appreciated! Thanks and stay healthy! UPDATE DAY 20: On day 19, the plants looked a lot better, they were no longer drooping. However, another problem seems to manifest itself: there seems to be a deficiency, maybe Ca, maybe it's a general sign of underfeeding, since I gave them a low dose of nutes during te recovery period. Still under investigation, but I'm weirdly happy about it: suddenly they are growing fast and they look happy. Hunger is a good sign after a week of droopy, stunted plants that barely grow.
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ActioPauliana
ActioPaulianastarted grow question 5 years ago
Coco grow: seedlings started to droop. Maybe caused by over watering? During transplant I found out the roots were completely underdeveloped. The transplant shocked the plants. Growth is stunted. What can I do to get them to recover and thrive? Consult my diary for more details.
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Leaves. Curl down
Plant. Too short
Roots. Too few
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Wicked_Stix
Wicked_Stixanswered grow question 5 years ago
Yes it looks like they might be slightly overwatered, but it is pretty common for the roots to shock a little the first couple days after transplant. It helps of you can raise the light a little higher or turn the power down to lower the intensity of light they are getting for a few days. I don't think you have any major issues at this point. Just make sure they have a good environment and they will start growing once the roots settle in. Good luck!
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Cheeba_Inu
Cheeba_Inucommentedweek 25 years ago
Your setup is looking great, and the plants are doing decently so far. The pots look a little big for where the plants are, so easing up on the frequency like you're doing may be helpful in the short term to keep the roots aerated (even if it's hard to over water coco). Be careful though, as in my personal experience with coco, fertigation every couple days can lead to spikes in the EC at the root zone as the grow medium dries out. This can cause some nutrient issues (as in my NYC Diesel grow) so I now stick with 1+ a day fertigations. The information on cocoforcannabis is great and I recommend it highly. I am a big fan of GH Flora nutes, but are you also adding extra cal-mag? I wouldn't be able to grow without it in coco, even if it's starting off well buffered. I'm sure they will recover from the transplant stress and become lovely, high yielding plants. Happy growing! 👍
ActioPauliana
ActioPaulianacommented5 years ago
@Cheeba_Inu, yes, this helps, thanks a lot! I'll start using the calmag supplement tomorrow.
Cheeba_Inu
Cheeba_Inucommented5 years ago
@ActioPauliana, sounds good! You're right that GHE is giving general advice about Cal mag, as a lot of people supplement it who don't need to. And they probably assume a lot of coco growers are using their coco line that doesn't need extra Cal mag as well. But Flora trio is great for coco with the extra boost. Cocoforcannabis has a great guide for how, when, and why to add Cal mag supplements if you haven't checked it out before: https://www.cocoforcannabis.com/needcalmag/ Since you are barely experiencing issues and don't have a lot of room to increase your EC you could start at a half dose and see how it goes. If the symptoms continue you can increase it. The older leaves won't stop showing symptoms, but newer leaves should grow in without the spotting/twisting/crisping . Hopefully that helps! The plants are most likely going to take off and explode with growth in the next week or so. Coco blows me away with the growth it promotes when everything is dialed in. Happy growing!
ActioPauliana
ActioPaulianacommented5 years ago
@Cheeba_Inu, thanks for your insights! Once again, you cleared a few things up for me. So, I wasn't 100% sure myself, but since you also conclude the symptoms are the first signs of Ca deficiency, I can no longer deny it 😏. And as you say: EC of feeding solution is already fine, given their age, so apparently I haven't delivered sufficient Ca to the medium and plants. After your post, I immediately ordered the GHE Calmag supplement. It will be delivered somewhere in the coming week. The next feed (tomorrow) I'll just use the supplement with high N. Still, it's weird tho. GHE stated on their website: "How to use GHE CalMag: Warning: Do not use with GHE soft water formulations, DualPart®️ Coco, or FloraNova®️: they already contain enough calcium for even R.O. water systems." They are also mentioning their Coco line, so maybe they are assuming people are using their Coco nutes if they grow on coco. But in that case, they should made it clear that when using the TriPart line on coco, a calmag supplement is necessary. By the way, I was going through the FAQ of their website and they stated the formula of the TriPart line is exactly the same in the USA and Europe. The difference in NPK values is the result of a difference between American and European legislation. That made me wonder: do they also sell two versions of Micro in the US (a soft and a hard water version)? However, I'm happy the products are the same worldwide: I was always very careful using feeding charts from US-based growers, as I was under the impression it was a different formula. But since the products are exactly the same, I can also study charts from US based growers. About the tapwater: there is about 40 mg/L calcium in my tapwater, but I'm not really sure if that causes the relatively high EC of my tapwater. Anyway, thanks again! 🙏
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CervantiS
CervantiScommentedweek 35 years ago
Aaaw, you named your girls, so sweet 😄 🙏
CervantiS
CervantiScommented5 years ago
@ActioPauliana,Oooh Beth, is miss her so much. Walking Dead fan 💀 Sweet Zombie shall be called Beth 😘 Thank You 🙏
ActioPauliana
ActioPaulianacommented5 years ago
@CervantiS, haha yeah, calling them plant 1, 2, 3 just doesnt give them the respect they deserve :)
Cheeba_Inu
Cheeba_Inucommentedweek 95 years ago
The plants are flourishing and the canopy is perfectly even, the whole grow is looking great! 👍
ActioPauliana
ActioPaulianacommented5 years ago
@Cheeba_Inu, thanks!
HazeyBobby
HazeyBobbycommentedweek 85 years ago
That's one awesome canopy - very nice 👌 how high do you set the net placed from the medium surface?
ActioPauliana
ActioPaulianacommented5 years ago
Thanks @HazeyBobby! I don't use a net, just LST and topping.
Mrs_Larimar
Mrs_Larimarcommentedweek 164 years ago
You are always on the good siide , if you start with Good genetics,, and my Favourite ones from RQS,,,,,, Congratulöations for your cupwinning Diary
Silky_smooth
Silky_smoothcommentedweek 164 years ago
Congrats on your win....very well deserved....🙏🙏❤️
hyperex258
hyperex258commentedweek 164 years ago
Nice plants 👌
HazeyBobby
HazeyBobbycommentedweek 155 years ago
Nothing short of spectacular 👌 congrats on such a harvest - looks like it was a big job (a nice problem at times) 😁 In a few more weeks I'll be going through your worries on the harvest/drying - summer harvests are always a challenge :)
GanjaTorturer
GanjaTorturercommentedweek 145 years ago
Looking good 😍
HazeyBobby
HazeyBobbycommentedweek 145 years ago
Looking great for an awesome harvest. Funny I hit the exact same 77% RH mark during lights off 😁 Keep those fans moving the air in the tent 👍
Cheeba_Inu
Cheeba_Inucommentedweek 145 years ago
Very attractive orange on the buds, they are ripening beautifully!
HighRoller909
HighRoller909commentedweek 145 years ago
lovely attic growing. look at these little bastards they are fat and full of life.lovely
DeadwebsiteBoringcommunity
Very nice. Exceptionally well done. Good work 👍💪
HazeyBobby
HazeyBobbycommentedweek 135 years ago
oh you're doing a real good grow there! love that canopy and moving across it - keep up the great work 👌
OimRausch
OimRauschcommentedweek 135 years ago
Really good looking 👍👌
Cheeba_Inu
Cheeba_Inucommentedweek 135 years ago
The grow continues to look great! Although light stress could be the culprit, I have also had plants that just started throwing a few bananas late into flower for no reason. I left them undisturbed and they never pollinated any bud before the whole plant got chopped. It looks like you caught them early and are getting close to harvest so I'm sure it will be fine! The buds are really coming along nicely regardless 👍
HazeyBobby
HazeyBobbycommentedweek 125 years ago
Family pictures always look great 👌 That's going to be a great harvest when the time comes :)
BipolarHellas
BipolarHellascommentedweek 115 years ago
Very nice garden and video...a pro's work...🌱🤞✌️
HazeyBobby
HazeyBobbycommentedweek 115 years ago
Those flowers are developing very nicely .. beautiful canopy - well managed 👌 And ofcourse a nice vid! :)
Growbay
Growbaycommentedweek 105 years ago
Looking good mate, I like them a lot, short veg and nice branched plants, clean strike I would say 👌🏻 That’s how I like it