WARNING! GRAPHIC IMAGES OF LST [CBD]

@Jaindoh, you're right, I assumed the white buildup on the bags was salt as well and was trying to figure out how to get it off. Thanks for the advice. I'll have to try that when I get home.

@Horantu, Thanks! Will keep in mind. I'm still pretty sure the potassium silicate has my roots resisting the gnats, I had just wanted to kill them before they got out of hand and couldn't -- I'm figuring the lack of drainage was the real culprit; if they drained like the other batch they wouldn't have gnats. That said, that's a great recipe I will be keeping and probably making. Once I realized it was probably that white mold -- which like many growers I had thought was salt -- many of the guides said to use isopropyl. Which does work great, in between grows. But I didn't want to use it while the plants were still in the bag. Your recipe I could have at least tried. Need to get some neem too.

@Jaindoh, Thanks a ton! That is a great amount of valuable information!

@Quexos, Forgot to mention its also cause I have exactly 6 of most of my seeds and need them to fill the tent. Going to buy 5 gallon bags and coir when I can afford it, to this end. As far as why I do longer veg, yes it works. 6-8 weeks in coir seems to be as quick as i can get a plant as big as it wants to be, soil seems to take a couple weeks longer. Basically, when I ran 10 pots in the same space it wasnt as critical to get them big and trained.

@Quexos, Yeah the COB tent just gives that much more weight of bud that its worth waiting for my meds sake. You can flip quickly, most definitely especially if you have a lot of smaller plants in the same space and especially if yo can get your first 3 weeks to be explosive growth. That kind of growth in three weeks is less "autopilot soil" (though I've seen good veg vigor and speed in living soil)... more like transplanting in coir with root additives and foliar misting and good light, or bubbleponics, or something. If i had ten 2gal pots with these things in it i could have easily flipped after 3-4 weeks. Many growers start dense sogs under 12/12 in the first place for short grows.

@Quexos, Yeah, I am already going to order 5 gallon bags. Not only that, now that my perpetual harvest is going, I shouldn't have the plants sitting around so long. I expected the autoflowers I harvested to take 9-11 weeks, not 14-16. But you're not wrong, and everything should be peachy keen going forward =)

I think that the 3 gallon canvas sacks are too small for such a long photoperiod grow. In the future, I will use 5 gallon sacks for my photos, but I'll continue to use 3 gallon sacks for any auto I grow. I think maybe a shorter veg period that would result in fewer bud sites, but larger buds in the end. It just seems to take too long to develop the plants in such a small container.

@Quexos, Yeah, I am super hopeful. This is exactly what happened on my very first grow when I topped too many times; once the plants stagnated their vegging, I thought the buds would be sure to be huge on that many branches. Turns out I've just reached the limit of a 3-gallon root ball and needed to have trimmed even more heavily. The bags are definitely re-usable, and now that I'm adding an isopropyl wash, they come out pristine after some rinsing. If I can avoid over-watering, I should be able to keep the white stuff at bay.

@Quexos, I appreciate the support! I'm very happy with the end results as well. Waiting the extra days past when you'd harvest for THC made them very sleepy but they're really good medicine =)

@Jackhaze, can i get a secular amen =)

@Jaindoh, I feel you, my mum is having the same problem buddy... I really can feel you man. It’s not easy but we’re stronger!

@Jackhaze, thanks man, its up and down but we'll be ok

@Quexos,afaik the silica strengthens everything from the roots to the leaves to the bud and the potassium is what makes the stalks larger. I give the molasses to sweeten the flavor instead of a more expensive carb supplement. The potassium and other minerals are more of a side bonus. Buffers the pH which can make balancing it a pain when you're eyeballing the dosage like I have been. That little bit of sweetness goes a long way to make otherwise subtle flavors pop.

@Jaindoh, So the molasses acts to give them finishing nutes and flavor? What does it do to your pH? I am going to be using Overdrive soon is that similar? That max silica contains Potassium. Is that keeping the roots strong, or the stalk structure?

@Quexos, I think this is the beginning of week 6. Will have to check. If I shaped them right, I'm hoping they'll bulk quite nicely with that time. Yeah, figured I'd get the molasses in a few times before I forgot. It's kind of a pain sometimes pH wise considering I eyeball it =p Been running max silica as well from time to time to try to keep them sturdy. Will taper off of that soon as well.

@Quexos, nope! a) start defoliation much earlier and gradually, helps a lot with shock b) be aware that idk 6 weeks into flower the plant basically stops making leaves c) leave enough for "armor", i.e. if there are deficiencies to pull from there d) decide how much after the "no more leaves" point is safe to trim, you can take a lot because the plant is basically done... if it can handle it seems like the flowers grow based on hormones, like based on how much air circulation and light theyre getting, more so than the pure "solar panels" of the leaves

@Jaindoh, Thanks! I like looking at the close ups so that I can have something visual to gauge my plant's progress. Your plants are real similar in development, so you are a great benchmark. So you have no issues with trimming off leaves at any time during the flowering process?

@Quexos, did quite a bit of defoliating during the beginning and end of the stretch with a few touch-up jobs during the stretch itself. After this, I'll mostly continue keeping an eye on what's being shaded (anything i didnt lollipop I want to develop) then give one or two good rounds specifically to keep mold chances down and increase circulation later on mostly I was too conservative again with how many actual branches I took and they're a bit crowded; should work, just need to make sure they get sun and air... the nodes all in the middle of things might end up more bare but it's that or chop more of them will try to get better photos, they have itty bitty buds and some good pistil formation

@PussyWagon6969, Oh also yeah i definitely do a lot more defoliation, instead of: A) No defoliation B) Big waves of defoliation at specific times. Before the flip, then after they recover from it post-flip, and finally after stretch. I choose: C) Always be pruning, up until the last few weeks. It won't grow any more leaves after a certain point. Then, cut the leaves partially bit by bit day by day until theyre almost trimmed... but while they're still on the plant. One of the main things that makes each node grow larger, denser buds with better resin is: airflow to the bud sites. The other is light reaching it. On the other hand, needing to grow more leaves, when done gradually, does not seem to slow it down at all. https://www.growweedeasy.com/defoliation

@PussyWagon6969, lot of old strains like pure hazes do i changed the journal to flowering when i flipped 12/12 not when the flowers actually showed, so cut two or maybe three weeks off it other than that it's mostly that i'm waiting until 25-50% amber because supposedly higher CBD if you harvest 1-3 days later certain light spectrums have longer flowering periods, these were under my mars hydro reflector 144s instead of my roleadro 400s for a while. half their flower, under the same lights i always got 10 week finishes on "8 week" strains.

@Jaindoh, Like you said, you've had a lot going on. I would call it a day, and relax.😁

@Quexos, I always forget that my phone case has a tripod spot, that's a great idea. First yield is 33.5, I get that much out of 2 gals and every 3 gal from my last batch had 42-64. I'm happy to have the medicine, and blame myself not the strain, but I'm disappointed. Particularly because I took two of them to be mothers, one of these Medical Mass (which are Critical Mass x Lagrimosa IIRC, not trainwreck ;P) and a candida. Then I accidentally killed two of them on sip-feed with the fan premature =( It makes the reasons behind my overall yield more acceptable, but I'm glad the other crop is a faster finisher. This wasn't my best work.

You need to wait after curing , maybe they all will be stone hard and sweet My bag seed have same thing Not shure shuld I trim it away or let it grow to end Don’t wanna stun I think I will just let her

@TomatoloverBoy, yeah the weird part is I did thin the tertiary nodes extensively, trying only to leave enough to not waste any area. you're probably right, though; I imagine this shape and a larger bag would also have done better, for the same reasons.

@Jaindoh, Can't argue with success! I guess what we look for is maturaity in the plant after all of the training. I think in this grow I wanted it to be done so I didn't give it as much time to mature before flipping. That might account for the 3 weeks it has taken to show flowers. As usual, your explanations are excellent. Nice blend of botany and experience.

@Quexos, well i am hoping for coverage of the lights' hot-spot first, a certain density of colas second... then as much weight on each cola as they'll put on after that, and then as long as possible as the final goal. So I'm maximizing the area the plant has first and then going vertical. This way when they gain length theyre already as bushy and thick as makes sense; every inch in length of cola after that is maximized. I'm okay if the colas aren't 24" long so long as theyre big and thick, made of well-developed nodes that were only the nodes receiving more light and air. This will lend to diameter much more than length. I believe these plants capable of anywhere from 1oz to 2, probably closer to 2, each, so i'm shooting for 8oz minimum and the closer to 12+ oz i get the happier I am XD Got 52g off an indica Alien with same area, light (1sqft, 50w of the cobs), which were nowhere near as large going into flowering

@Jaindoh, yeap, they sure are ;) as for the counting of flowering cycle and stretch I always count it from the start of actual flowers appearing know a lot of people that count it from when they flip them

@bobo420, oh yes they have recovered and are loving life XD

@Jaindoh, Your plants are filling in nicely after the training. You are doing an "Edward Scissorhands" type job!

@Quexos, thanks! yeah usually after all the bending into the tent to train im done-zo but that's cause i'm dumb and dont remove the plants to a tall surface to train in the first place. taking them out for pictures would solve both problems. I'm actually planning on doing videos at some point of the training I just don't have a great way to do that as I need both hands.

@Horantu, Thanks man! These really helped in terms of having CBD instead of not. Free from the CBD retailers now too XD

@Quexos, Oh yeah. They might have taken a couple weeks longer, but they didn't just bulk -- they also got rock hard, much closer to the other strain. I'm looking forward to it =)

@Quexos, Thanks for the support! I like this training scheme, it's just labor intensive. I'm going to do it on the lithium but try just hst+fimming the 00 NL i just germinated, theyre not going to have a whole lot of time to get them into any particular shape. It's going to be like a DBZ fight. You haven't even seen my final form! XD