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Introduction - Week 08 Summary - One of the cubes finally sprouted! Was starting to feel a bit down again, but to my surprise, the middle cube sprouted about two days into the week (5 days from planting). I was both glad and relieved that one of the cubes actually popped! She's definitely the smallest of the seedlings I've germinated, but couldn't be more happier! Even though she's tiny, by the next day, her tap root was already poking out the bottom of the cube. So I transplanted her into the DWC bucket that same night! As per AN's instructions, I'm not feeding her any grow nutes quite yet. So for now it's a combination of beneficial bacteria and CalMag. Afterwards, I ended up adding a bit of silica (Rhino Skin) and increased the CalMag (CaliMagic) concentration a bit. By the end of the week, her first set of leaves have started to grow! But she's a bit droopy. At least her tap root has already grown through the net basket! To (hopefully) fix the wilting, I lowered the water level and am going to increase the PPMs for next week's res change. I also added a humidity dome to increase the RH a bit. Also looking into foliar feeding for next week. I'm just happy she's growing. Once pre-veg is complete and she has her second set of leaves, I'll begin feeding the week 1 grow nutrients using AN's recommend feeding ratios. Just have to keep on growing! [START OF WEEK 08] Day 01 - Monday - 11/23/20 - Total Days: 052 ----------------------------------- - [0930]: Checked on the cubes. --- Still no visible change. --- Tent temps were holding steady at 72°F --- Dome temps were at 76°F at 99% RH --- I re-sprayed the dome with more Voodoo water. - [2215]: Checked on the cubes again. --- They still look the same. --- Tent temps were holding steady at 72°F --- Dome temps were at 74°F at 99% RH --- I sprayed the dome again with more Voodoo water. --- Not sure why none of the cubes are sprouting.. --- For the last seed, I may try to germinate in a cup of distilled water and Voodoo Juice. --- Then if the seed cracks open, I'll transplant her into the rockwool cube. --- I'll wait another day or two before trying this method. Day 02 - Tuesday - 11/24/20 - Total Days: 053 ----------------------------------- - [0830]: Ho damn! --- One of the cubes finally popped! --- Woo hoo!! --- During the night (or since the lights were on, I guess for the cubes, it was day), cube 2 sprouted and is just starting to uncurl her cotyledon leaves. Nice! --- To be honest, I was starting to feel a bit depressed again. --- But seeing her, just brings joy and hope back! I can't believe how happy this is making me! --- A bit surprised though, because she was the second seed of the three and was planted five days ago. --- Still no activity from cube 1 or 3. --- Going to leave them in for now. I doubt cube 1 will ever sprout, but cube 3 may sprouting soon. --- Again, I plan on using the first who's roots poke out the bottom first so there's still hope for cube 3. Also, if cube 3 sprouts soon, and looks healthier, then I may transplant her instead. But for now, I am just happy and relieved that at least one of them sprouted! --- Tent temps were at 70°F --- Dome temps were at 75°F at 99% RH --- I re-sprayed the dome with more Voodoo water. --- Once her leaves fully uncurl, I'll remove the dome. --- What a great way to start the day! --- I'll check on them again later tonight! - [2030]: Wow! she seems to have fully sprouted! --- But her leaves look a bit yellow. --- Hopefully they green up a bit after a full day under the light. --- Tent temps were at 72°F --- Dome temps were at 74°F at 91% RH --- Since I'm not going to feed her any grow nutes until she sprouts 2 sets of true leaves, I mixed up some fresh Voodoo water. --- Filled a measuring cup with a cup of water. --- Added 1mL of Voodoo Juice --- PH'd the water down to 4.9 --- Poured the solution into a spray bottle and lightly sprayed the cubes. --- Now that both cotyledon leaves are fully sprouted, I also removed the dome. --- Still going to leaving the un-sprouted cubes in the tray. Still hopeful that cube 3 will sprout, but I'm perfectly fine with cube 2. --- Tray temps dropped to 72°F at 75% RH --- Going to check in the morning to see what everything stabilizes at. Day 03 - Wednesday - 11/25/20 - Total Days: 054 ----------------------------------- - [0930]: Good morning little one! --- Tent temps were at 70°F --- Tray temps were at 71°F at 52% RH --- She's looking a lot greener! Great! --- Oh nice! --- Checked the bottom of the cube and she already has a tap root shooting out the bottom! --- I also noticed that the seed was just barely visible at the base. So using a pair of tweezers, I carefully removed it. --- Anyways, transplanting her tonight! --- I did not expect her root to develop that quickly! - [0940]: To prep for tonight's transplant, going to sterilize everything with UC roots. --- I re-attached the air stones and placed them into the bucket. --- Filled the bucket with 4gal of distilled water. --- Added 120mL of UC Roots - [0945]: Plugged in the air pump. --- I decided to block off the top two row of holes in the net basket. To do this, I used a few strips of aluminum tape. I hope this will eliminate the need to cover the top with foil. --- Then I place the net basket into the bucket to sterilize in the UC Roots solution. --- Since the hydroton was previously boiled and dried, I opted to not boil them again and just soak everything in UC Roots. --- To do this, I filled another bucket with the hydroton clay pebbles. --- I filled a gallon jug with distilled water and poured in about half. This was just enough to fully soak the pebbles. --- Added 30mL of UC Roots --- Then poured in the rest of the gallon of distilled water. - [0955]: Going to let everything soak for the day and will begin the transplant tonight! --- Being about 5 days since she was planted, she's taken the longest to sprout out of all of my previous seedlings. But that is perfectly okay with me! My little runt! --- But because she was such a late bloomer, I'm a bit concern for her health. --- So I think during pre-veg (after transplanting), I'm going to be feeding her a bit of CaliMagic and Voodoo Juice. --- My logic is that since I'm using distilled water with very low PPMs (10-15 PPMs), I'll add just enough CalMag to reach about the same consistency of ideal tap water. According to ILGM, the best water is soft water and has a PPM of 100-150. So going to shoot for these readings with a PH of around 5.5-5.8 for optimal nutrient uptake. During my last attempt, I had the PPMs at around 300 so I'll use that as an absolute maximum. --- I'll begin with AN's recommended feeding as soon as she sprouts her first two sets of true leaves, --- Extremely stoked for tonight! --- Keep on growing girl! - [2020]: Okay time to prep for the transplant! --- Filled a measuring cup with 2 cups of distilled water. --- Added 2mL of Voodoo Juice --- Added 1mL of Hydroguard --- PH'd the solution down to 5.2 -[2030]: Time to inoculate the hydroton! --- Poured the hydroton into a strainer but did not rinse. --- I poured about half the Voodoo solution over the freshly drained hydroton. Going to re-inoculate with the rest of the solution right before transplant. --- I unplugged the heat mat and removed the table and tray from the tent. --- Unfortunately had to toss out the un-sprouted cubes. RIP. --- I unplugged the air pump and disconnected the air lines from the bucket. I did not remove the air stones. --- I removed the net basket and drained the bucket. Again, I did not rinse. - [2045]: I filled the bucket with 3 gallons of distilled water, reconnected the air lines, and turned the pump on. --- Starting PH was at 5.9 --- Starting PPMs were at 10 --- Added 15mL of Voodoo Juice (11 PPMs) --- Added 8mL of Hydroguard (11 PPMs) --- Added 5mL of CaliMagic (164 PPMs) --- PH'd down to 4.9 (a bit low right now, but will go up as it stabilizes) --- PPMs stabilized at 163 - [2100]: TRANSPLANT TIME! --- Covered the bucket with the net pot and checked the water level. --- The water was at least 2-3" from the bottom of the net basket. --- I re-inoculated the hydroton with the rest of the Voodoo solution from earlier. --- Then added just enough hydroton to fill up the bottom two rows of the net pot. --- I removed her from the tray and removed the plastic wrapper from the cube. Wow! Her root nearly doubled since I last checked. Nice! --- I carefully placed her in the center of the net basket. --- Then very carefully, I added more hydroton to fill around the cube. --- After that, I continued to add more hydroton to cover the top of the cube. -[2115]: Transplant done! --- Did not top feed this time. I'll top feed her tomorrow night. --- Since she's in the bucket and on the floor, her distance from the light is about 55" --- Temps were holding steady at 72°F with 58% RH. --- The light is also still set to an 18/6 cycle (lights off between 10am-4pm). - [2130]: Checked the net basket for light leaks. Everything looked pretty good! --- Blocking off the top two rows with tape seemed to have fixed the issue I was having with light leaking through the basket. So no need to cover with foil this time! --- I did not recheck PPMs. --- But I did recheck the PH and as expected, it stabilized at a perfect 5.5 --- As far as seedlings, she is definitely the smallest one I've transplanted, but based on her root growth over the past day, I'm hopeful that she'll grow up nice and strong! --- Going to check on her again in the morning. --- Please grow well girl! Day 04 - Thursday - 11/26/20 - Total Days: 055 ----------------------------------- - [0915]: Good morning! --- Did a quick visual check. --- Temps were at 70°F at 74% RH --- I'll check the solution later tonight. - [1700]: Checked up on the little runt! --- Nice! Everything is looking pretty good! --- Temps were at 71°F at 78% RH --- Placed her in a separate bucket before checking the bucket solution. --- PH was still at 5.5 --- PPMs were also unchanged at 163 --- Top fed 10mL before returning her back to the bucket. --- She looks really tiny in the basket. But just going to let her keep growing and will check again tomorrow morning. - [2000]: Decided to add a bit of Rhino Skin to the bucket. --- Placed her in a separate bucket before checking the bucket solution. --- PH was at 5.2 (Not sure why it dropped, but still okay) --- PPMs were still at 163 --- Added 15mL of Rhino Skin --- PH went up to 5.4 --- PPMs went up to 180 --- Going to leave the PH alone for now. But if the PH does not rise above 5.5 by tomorrow night, I'll adjust it closer to 5.7 to ensure its at an optimal level. --- As for Monday's res change, I think I'll continue to add Rhino Skin for silica uptake. Because she so small, this should help strengthen and bulk up her stems. Also should make her more resistant to diseases. --- But still no grow nutes until her second set of leaves fully form. Day 05 - Friday - 11/27/20 - Total Days: 056 ----------------------------------- - [0930]: Did a quick visual check. --- Looking good! --- Temps were at 68°F at 72% RH --- Will check the PH and PPMs tonight. - [2130]: Looking a bit bigger and taller! --- Temps were at 70°F at 65% RH --- Placed her in a separate bucket before checking the bucket solution. --- PH was at 5.5 --- PPMs were at 165 --- Added bit of PH up --- PH was at a perfect 5.8 --- PPMs went up to 175 --- Top fed 10mL before returning her back to the bucket. --- Usually the PH drifts up so I'm really happy that things seem a lot more stable. --- The sterilization and presoak using UC Roots seemed to have fixed any drifts I was experiencing in the past. Great! --- I think I may use UC Roots to clean the bucket in between res changes. --- Anyways, keep on growing girl! Day 06 - Saturday - 11/28/20 - Total Days: 057 ----------------------------------- - [0745]: It's getting a bit colder. --- Did a quick visual check! --- Temps were at 67°F at 65% RH --- A bit cold, but still okay. --- If temps continue to drop, then I may have to raise the bucket closer to the light. - [2000]: Checked up on the little one! --- Temps were at 71°F at 61% RH --- Placed her in a separate bucket before checking the bucket solution. --- PH was at 5.8 --- PPMs were at 175 --- Top fed 10mL before returning her back to the bucket. --- She's looking a bit droopy. - [2100]: Placed her in a separate bucket before adjusting the bucket solution. --- Added 2mL of CaliMagic --- Added PH down/up (added bit too much PH down. Oops.) --- PH was at 5.7 --- PPMs were at 285 --- I also decided to lower the water level a bit. --- I removed about 8-9 cups of water (~2 liters). --- Hopefully she perks up a bit by morning. If not, I'll remove another 4 cups and recheck the solution. Day 07 - Sunday - 11/29/20 - Total Days: 058 ----------------------------------- - [0915]: Good morning! --- Still looking a bit wilted, but looking better than last night. --- Temps were at 68°F at 58% RH --- Okay going to lower the water level even more and check the runoff. --- Drain the bucket solution to just above the 2gal mark and checked the readings. --- PH was at 5.9 --- PPMs were at 296 --- Going to do one more check tonight. - [1930]: Okay! Checking up on the little one. --- Temps were at 72°F at 57% RH --- Looking really wilted. --- Oh damn! I see a tiny root! --- Placed her in a separate bucket before checking the bucket solution. --- PH was at 6.0 --- PPMs were at 282 --- Added a bit of PH down --- PH went down to 5.6 --- PPMs went up to 295 --- Did not top feed. --- Going to do a fresh res change tomorrow night, so I'll leave the PPMs alone for now. --- Since she only has her first set of true leaves, going to wait another week before feeding her grow nutes. But I do plan to increase the PPMs of CalMag. --- So for 2gal of water I plan to use: --- 16mL of Rhino Skin --- 16mL of Voodoo Juice --- 6mL of Hydroguard --- 6-8mL of CaliMagic --- Going for around 300-400 PPMs. --- Hoping that she can make it past pre-veg (her 2nd set of true leaves). According to AN, the seed should have enough food within itself to make it. But I'm not sure. --- Seeing the root already poking out does make things promising, But she is still really wilted. --- With the lowered water level (at the 2 gallon mark), the net basket should have enough of an air gap to prevent any over watering. --- Perhaps it's a lack of nutrients? --- So going to increase the PPMs of CaliMagic. --- Next week I'll contact AN for help if the wilting continues a day or two after the res change. - [2015]: Decided to increase the relative humidity (RH) a bit. --- Since I don't have a humidifier, I decided to use a makeshift humidity dome again. Basically I covered her with a clear glass bowl. The humid air being pushed through the hydroton from the air stones should increase the RH by quite a bit. --- So I did not fully cover the net basket (left about 3/4 opened). --- Going for an RH of around 75-90% --- I'll check the meters in the morning to see the difference in RH. Then I'll adjust the air gap accordingly. [END OF WEEK 08]
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GACiNATI
GACiNATIcommentedweek 104 years ago
Stabilizing every single element of your , nutrients , temperature , and Most IMPORTANT your light schedules, , veg at 18/6 or 24 do not do 24 then 18/ 6 then 12 It's gonna stress the plant temperature for your water use a heat mat
GACiNATI
GACiNATIcommented4 years ago
@Ensign420, using a heat mat also I didn't put that in
GACiNATI
GACiNATIcommented4 years ago
@Ensign420,for me I haven't used rock wool but they are both ph neutrul so it should be pretty similar on that note , I put my seeds in water until they sink to the bottom on their own , take them from there put into a paper towel , let tap root pop out of shell , plant into peat moss , with a far led light above it , when I see the plant / shell coming out of the peat moss I then put it into 48 hours of darkness in a sealed plastic bag usually I come back and it's dropped its shell atleast by that point
Ensign420
Ensign420commented4 years ago
@GACiNATI, Have any experience with seed germination in rockwool? I don't have peat moss and currently only have rockwool and hydroton as a grow medium. What method do you use to get your seeds to crack open? Do you soak them in water? 48 hours of darkness in what? Paper towels? What are the temps? I've been trying to get rockwool germination dialed in. As of right now, I've been soaking my rockwool cubes in PH'd distilled water for a bit, then I flip the cube upside down, make a shallow hole, drop the dry seed straight in, then pinch the hole close. I use a humidity dome to keep RH high until a cube pops. I'll try to germinate a cube in the dark to see if it helps (maybe wrap it in foil or something). Sorry for all the questions, I'm a complete newbie at this so trying to get this right with the grow mediums that I have.
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DougFresh
DougFreshcommentedweek 24 years ago
I’m growing the exact same in dwc. Real excited to follow this grow. I need to get some more additives
GACiNATI
GACiNATIcommented4 years ago
@DougFresh,hello my friend you took my name
Ensign420
Ensign420commented4 years ago
@DougFresh, Nice! Yea, I'm still learning and you are more than welcome to learn as I do! Just keep in mind that I'm a complete newbie at growing (haven't grown anything in any form prior to this). So take my grows as a very rough guide because I am learning as I go and have yet to make it my first harvest. As for getting more additives for DWC, less is definitely more. I think I spent way too much on nutrients. But if you are not running a sterile bucket, I highly recommenced getting beneficial bacteria to keep the root rot under control (Hydroguard/Voodoo Juice/etc.). Also I'm learning that CalMag is very important. Also keep PPMs low. Don't make the same mistake as I did (you can check out my first grow attempt to learn from my failures). You seem to have more experience than I do. Your soil grown ladies are looking great by the way! Best of luck with your first DWC grow buddy! 🖖
BloodSweatBeers
BloodSweatBeerscommentedweek 04 years ago
This has to be the most detailed log on this entire site... and being a nerd, thats right up my ally. I'll give it a follow, good luck :)
Ensign420
Ensign420commented4 years ago
@BloodSweatBeers, Aye thanks for the good luck! DWC is challenging, especially being a complete newbie. So I'm trying to be as detailed as possible so I (or anyone else who is trying to grow similarly) can look back as a reference (mistakes and all). I failed on my last run, but I'm hoping to make it to harvest with this one! 🖖
DougFresh
DougFreshcommentedweek 34 years ago
Why are you wanting to increase the innernodal spacing? Most people want to keep that short to get more nodes
DougFresh
DougFreshcommented4 years ago
@Ensign420, that makes sense. Guess I never really thought about stretching a plant to tie it down. I’ll be interested to see the results
Ensign420
Ensign420commented4 years ago
@DougFresh, So I plan on ‘low-stress training’ (LST) this girl so I want more height and spacing between nodes before I start bending branches over and tying them down. Right now she’s just too short for any kind of LST. I’ll also be topping her too but not right now.
GACiNATI
GACiNATIcommentedweek 104 years ago
Are you making sure you keep you water level at the clay balls until It's got more roots ? You need to slowly lower your water level from that down when your starting a seed in and on top of that you definitely need the water temp to stay almost perfectly stable , with the roots being in water you can't let water go below 60 degrees Fahrenheit, with soil you can go to 55 degrees no issues but DWC to low of temps or to drastic of temperature swings even say 6 degrees at a time over 24 hours or less will stunt or even kill a seedling
Ensign420
Ensign420commented4 years ago
@GACiNATI, For the next run, I plan on keeping track of my water temps. Thanks for the advice!
BloodSweatBeers
BloodSweatBeerscommentedweek 64 years ago
Have you thought about growing in coco or soilless medium? I think you'd have better luck, and its similar in terms of the micromanagment. Sorry for your loss🥀
Ensign420
Ensign420commented4 years ago
@BloodSweatBeers, Yea, I've considered it. If the next few attempts fail, I may just try coco. But still going to try again with DWC. I've been in contact with Advanced Nutrients' customer support team and after a few emails, I think I'm going to give it another go. If not then I'll probably get a fabric pot and try my luck growing in coco coir.
Ezzjaybruh
Ezzjaybruhcommentedweek 44 years ago
This is detailed as hell man.. huge props on that.. I thought I was thorough with it.. good luck!!
Ensign420
Ensign420commented4 years ago
@Ezzjaybruh, Thanks growmie! DWC is tough...
Ferenc
Ferenccommentedweek 54 years ago
Ensign420
Ensign420commented4 years ago
@Ferenc, I hope so!
BloodSweatBeers
BloodSweatBeerscommentedweek 54 years ago
Its growing *plays epic music
Ensign420
Ensign420commented4 years ago
@BloodSweatBeers, Unfortunately, I lost her to root rot (*plays sad music).. But I'm trying again! Trying to run a sterile res this time to see if I can keep the root rot at bay.
BloodSweatBeers
BloodSweatBeerscommentedweek 54 years ago
Root rots a bitch, glad you caught it. DWC is too damn much for me personally, kudos
Ensign420
Ensign420commented4 years ago
@BloodSweatBeers, Unfortunately the rot won..
BloodSweatBeers
BloodSweatBeerscommentedweek 44 years ago
I'm a broken record, but I love your data. Shes looking great :)
Ensign420
Ensign420commented4 years ago
@BloodSweatBeers, Aye thanks for the positive vibes! I'm learning as I grow so a detailed log definitely helps. 👍 🖖
BloodSweatBeers
BloodSweatBeerscommentedweek 24 years ago
Healthy roots! looking good
Ensign420
Ensign420commented4 years ago
@BloodSweatBeers, Thanks growmie! I just hope I can keep them healthy. 🖖
Ferenc
Ferenccommentedweek 104 years ago
Happy Growing @Ensign420
HydroGroGod
HydroGroGodcommentedweek 63 years ago
Just buy a water chiller please‼️ Check on offer up, facebook market or spend 340 on a 1/10th active aqua chiller
HydroGroGod
HydroGroGodcommentedweek 63 years ago
Switch to current culture nutrient line. U won't regret it
DoDrugs420
DoDrugs420commentedweek 103 years ago
Fire OG is exactly what my momma would've wanted me to have.
heizen
heizencommentedweek 104 years ago
Nice grow mate, plants are looking good, keep it up, imma follow this one upclose.