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Paulbearer1891 Paulbearer1891
4 years ago
First time grower in any kind of medium. After waiting forever for Girl Scout Cookies seeds from Amsterdam that never came, I ordered some Humboldt Apple Blossoms from DC Seed Exchange and had them within a week. I can't say exactly why I chose this strain other than my head hurt from trying to figure out what I wanted and I just wanted to grow something. I wanted fresh seeds from a known to be reliable house, so here we are. I ordered 12 of the blossoms and also received 4 freebies of Nap Time by Copa Seeds. I couldn't find any info on the strain, but I decided to try to germ 2 of those as well 4 of the apple blossoms. As a first timer, I wasn't sure what the success rate would be for germinating 6 seeds, but I hope to have several candidates to choose from when I whittle it down to 2 plants in a 2x4 tent for the vegetative phase. I will be following the coco growing process and nutrient feeding schedule of Dr MJ Coco of CoCoforCannabis.com To begin the germ, I lightly scuffed the seeds in a 240 grit sandpaper tube. Then I gave them the bath in individual solo cups with distilled water. The cups were placed on a seedling heat mat set to 84F in the dark tent for 4 hours. At the end of that time, only 1 had sunk. I put each of the seeds in their own once-folded, wet paper towel and put all six inside a sealed Pyrex container, again on the heat mat (set to 78F) in the dark tent. I also optimistically placed 6 Jiffy Pellets in another sealed Pyrex on the heat mat with an inch of water filling the container. 24 hours later I checked the container and 2 of the 6 towels were almost completely dry. I think I took too much water out of them before placing the seeds. I remoistened with a spray bottle and sealed it up again. Day 3, 36 hours in, I check again and one of the Nap Time had a tiny sprout. Several towels were dried out this time, I resprayed them all and closed it up. Day 4, 48 hours in and after several remoistenings (I don't think that Pyrex is exactly sealed), I have 1 Nap Time with a damn near 2 inch tail and 3 Apple Blossoms with nice beginning sprouts. I remoisten again and seal up, hoping for 2 more sprouts in the AM so I can transfer all 6 to jiffy pots. If the last 2 don't germ overnight, I'll move on without them. Its no surprise that one of them, the 2nd Nap Time hasn't germed. It's towel has been dry every time I check the container. Really poor choice in a germination container. Day 5 and all 4 Apple Blossoms have sprouted. The dry Nap Time seems unlikely to do anything and the other one that germed first has a 2 inch sprout and should have been transferred a day ago. I carefully transfer all 6 touching them only with the paper towel. I try to make the holes long enough for the sprout so that the seed head is flush with the top of the pellet. I was a little shaky during all of this, with the strong feeling I was going to fuck something up. The transplant stages make me the most nervous looking ahead. At any rate, it wasn't too bad except for one sprout that wove itself into the towel fibers. Hopefully I didn't damage it pulling it out. The Nap Time with the huge sprout was a pain, I feel like I definitely hurt it getting the root in. All 6 jiffy pots go on a seed tray with a humidity dome, on the seedling warming mat set to 73F. I finally get to kick on the light, hung at 24" above pot level and dialed down a little under 50% intensity keeping them at 1000-1200 lux. I have several thermo/hygrometers and I'm trying to keep the humidity high at 80-85 and temps at 76-78. Day 6 and I've just been keeping an eye on the RH and adjusting the dome vents, and applying some light spray watering. I've never grown anything before and I'm a little uncertain about how wet I should be keeping the jiffy pot. By the end of the day, 2 Apple Blossom seedlings have their cotyledons open and 1st tiny serrated leaves are showing. 3 other seeds have their helmets completely lifted up and are just struggling to shed their seed casings. The last seed, which was the Nap Time that never showed a sprout but I planted in the Jiffy anyway, is still showing no signs of life. Worse, I might have drowned it after letting it dry out repeatedly back in the Pyrex. I moved to drip watering with a 60 ml syringe and when I went to water that one, the syringe gave me resistance. In overcoming it half the syringe water shot out, turning the center of its jiffy pot into a pond. Poor guy can't catch a break. Even if it starts growing I can't trust it, I've already put it through too much. I'm keeping it around for now though just for shits and gigs, and in case I fuck up all the rest. I'm really struggling with environment control. Probably not a surprise given the ambient around the tent in my basement is 66F with 8% (fuck!) relative humidity. I'm trying to keep the dome around 78F and 75RH. Humidifier for the tent is inbound. For now, spraying water around the jiffy pots on the seed tray and also along the inside of the clear dome then keeping the vents closed to a sliver is getting the job done. I'm relying on heat from the LED driver inside the tent to keep the temps up, along with the seedling mat. By the end of day 7, 4 of the 6 have their cotys open and their first sets of serrated leaves developing. 1 seed is struggling with helmet head so I spray moisten the shell to help it along. The 6th seed, that I've abused with drying out and overwatering, has its sprout finally coming out. Unfortunately the sprout is growing upward and visible above the surface of the jiffy in direct light, which I've heard is bad. I help it out with tweezers and get the head above ground. Week 1 is done and I'm well into seedling. Just keeping an eye on things and waiting for roots to show through the bottom the jiffy pot. Time to start thinking about preparing the coco. Let's grow!
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Paulbearer1891
Paulbearer1891started grow question 3 years ago
If a plant turns hermaphrodite because of stress (not a light leak), does the stress have to immediately precede the hermming? Or could the stress that causes it have occurred weeks earlier during veg, even though it seems to recover?
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sir_isOanswered grow question 3 years ago
Light leaking IS stress. But yes, stress induced weeks prior (since that stress isn't a single event, it has gradual, systemic effects coz it's conditional, environmental, nutrition, etc) can make plants hermi later than when the stress was induced (and the hormonal balance gradually shifts).
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TheUk420Showanswered grow question 3 years ago
Its a genetic problem in theory but light leaks will not help or disturbing their night cycle that's why I fill the grow room with green light so if any light were to get in it cant stress your ladies :) though even that is not enough sometimes i had 15 plants show bananas recently it was heart breaking but I know it was down to genetics because any light getting in would of been green and not effected them in anyway so its near enough impossible but to be sure I always try and test my tent between grows by sitting in to and looking for any light I can see protuding in if i can see any I will block it with tape or block it with somekind of stuffing. thats the best you can do though growing strains that you know dont herm is a good start so basically just strains you have grew before that had a good harvest and didnt herm lol
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Ferenc
Ferencweek 9
They love ya @Paulbearer1891
Grow3rPT
Grow3rPTweek 10
Muito bom, mesmo uma maravilha. Espero que tudo te corra bem. E no final uma boa colheita
Cannabeast40
Cannabeast40week 9
Looks fantastic😍 Good luck & Happy flowering πŸ˜ŠπŸ™
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Lacrimaweek 9
Happy Growing ! 😊πŸ’ͺ
kansasscott725
kansasscott725week 1
Looks good to me. Sometimes those first set of leaves are just too big for the stem at first and they get a little wavy. Now your runoff... that's an issue. What kind of meter are you using? Is it the same meter for both intake & runoff? With numbers like that, it should correct itself after a healthy feeding. Next time, I'd saturate heavily with 50 % runoff and make sure you're whole medium is receiving nutrients. It's CoCo. Hard to overwater, and in your case, it's not receiving the nutrients well, and it's all about making sure the plant can eat what you're feeding it. I'd also recommend switching to an airpot. Better breathing and airflow.
Paulbearer1891
Paulbearer1891
@kansasscott725, I'm just hang feeding, no reservoir. I didn't know anything about it other than Dr. Coco suggested it as a surfactant replacement for SM90. Would it be useful in a CalMag foliar mix that would be sprayed? You're right on, I've been pretty much following the cocoforcannabis blueprint. I wanted something I could follow beginning to end for my first time, instead of trying to amalgamate all the youtube and podcast info I was absorbing into a Frankenstein of my own. I've seen a lot of people using the Cocos A&B that you're using, and I've since heard a lot of bad things about general hydroponics corporate overlords. I'll be looking to switch things up next grow or when the nutes run out. Seeing that your feeding EC is so high and my plants are showing some deficiencies, I'm wondering if I'm being too conservative and that's what led to the damage. Definitely your results are showing that you have things dialed in.
kansasscott725
kansasscott725
@Paulbearer1891, Glad to see things are turning around. With 80% runoff, makes sense the numbers were so low, you were essentially flushing everytime you fed. Your EC will fluctuate. So long as your Runoff is no more than 200 points higher, you're good. Question: Do you have a reservoir or are you manually mixing in gallon jugs, then pouring? I only ask because Yucca is only necessary for reservoirs. Your feeding line reminds me of the cocoforcannabis high frequency fertigation chart. I based my whole grow on those methods, but I added in the House & Garden nutrient line. My starting EC can get to almost 2.02 but when you feed in coco multiple times a day, the heavy nutes are freshly administered, and the girls will continue to thrive. Change its feeding from a lot to a little or add in sudden variables...that's when you'll run into issues.
Paulbearer1891
Paulbearer1891
@kansasscott725, Thanks for taking a look. I'm using the same meter to measure EC and making sure its in the same mode. Thanks for the suggestions, I'll do that for the next watering. I also have some 1 gallon fabric transplanted pots coming tomorrow so hopefully a transplant will help. More roots are showing at the bottom so I think we're about good to move them. Your advice is much appreciated, enjoy your weekend.
kansasscott725
kansasscott725week 3
To each his own... Whatever you do with watering in CoCo, be consistent and don't let it dry up. I would definitely water every day in coco in the fashion you are because essentially you're giving it a mini flush with steady nutrients everytime. If you water every 2 days then switch it back to one day or even multiple times a day, you'll have some salt build up and even potential lock outs. I'd dial back that Armor Si to 1.5 ml per gallon as well and make sure you're adding that first before anything else. Shake it up and let it dissolve for 10 min or so. Then add your Cal Mag (dial down to 4 ml) repeat, then add your base nutes. Add Diamond Nectar second to last ( also dial down a bit) You're additives are stronger than your base. Never worked with Rapid Start before, but add that last after Diamond Nectar according to the good Doctor. 8 ML Additive to 5ML Base tells me something is off. Dial down, feed everyday when lights come on. If EC raises more than 300 points from intake to drainage, increase your fertigations.
kansasscott725
kansasscott725
@Paulbearer1891, Yes. His chart is 1000% for High Frequency Fertigation. Last year it took me nearly 3 months to get in veg what I had in 3 weeks this time around. I always love the beginning and then I'm ridiculously exhausted by the end. Never ever again will I grow multiple plants (especially different strains) with high frequency fertigation. But I never missed a day and have made this far so why stop now. Next time, I'm going to grow just one Girl Scout Cookie and find the right feed for it ( seemed to like GH Floral line ). My hope is to stretch to fill my entire 4x5 space. With one plant, I'll really be able trust the auto timer for feeding as it should be relatively the same every day. After that, I think it's DWC time. I'm loving your grow. Now that you're feeding twice a day, just stick to the plan. If ya need help setting up auto system like Doc has on his page with the auto draining saucers, just follow the script. Best investment I ever made. I just πŸ”Œ the sub pump in and unplug 5 minutes later and voila! That's it. Every few days, I dump the drainage bucket that sits outside the tent. Makes watering multiple times per day a piece of cake.
Paulbearer1891
Paulbearer1891
@kansasscott725, Right on, my inconsistency is my biggest issue. And I think Dr. Coco's nute schedule is more for a higher frequency watering then I've been doing. I'll make those adjustments you recommend. I've also moved up to his late Veg mix the past few days, which brings the base levels up some (2.5/2.5/1.2) but I hadn't ever considered the proportion of base nutes to supplements, thanks for pointing that out. I have to keep an eye on the important stuff, and not that CalMag isn't, but I've clearly had something going on with N/P/K being low. Looking at what I've just posted, I don't think I did it justice with how bad some of the older fan leaves got damaged. And I've definitely got the lights cranked at 100% these days, I was scared I was burning them earlier but they seem to like light! Who'd have thought? Thanks as always for your help. Edit-and I've been watering twice a day now, no matter what. But I add the water slower and in intervals so I'm approaching the runoff point with better control. Before I was dousing until suddenly a ton of runoff would be pouring out, until it was 40-50% of inflow. Its a learning experience for sure!
kansasscott725
kansasscott725week 0
Best of luck brother. If you need anything, let me know.
kansasscott725
kansasscott725
@Paulbearer1891 Thanks Brochacho,
Paulbearer1891
Paulbearer1891
@kansasscott725, Thanks, I appreciate it. You've got some beautiful plants and an awesome setup!
MrJones
MrJonesweek 9
πŸ’―πŸ‘Hope you have an awesome weekend, Looking great, nice and healthy!πŸ‘πŸ’―
MrJones
MrJonesweek 7
πŸ’―πŸ‘The Garden is looking great! Happy 420!πŸ‘πŸ’―
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Very nice πŸ‘πŸ˜Ž. Keep up the good work! πŸ˜ƒ
DoDrugs420
DoDrugs420week 11
That's what's up!
spyder
spyderweek 5
lookin good....good luck with the grow....enjoy..
MrJones
MrJonesweek 5
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Legendaryseedthumb
Legendaryseedthumbweek 11
Hey! Happy growing my friend! I hope you do well and get some good results! I will come by sometime to see your progress! If you ever visit my page please say hello! Peace & love L.S.T
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kansasscott725week 6
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MrJones
MrJonesweek 11
πŸ‘Rock On! What Can You Say Your Grow Looks Great!πŸ‘
MrJones
MrJonesweek 8
πŸ‘Happy Monday Growmie! Great Update and your Garden Looks Great!πŸ‘
kansasscott725
kansasscott725week 3
and TURN THOSE LIGHTS UP!!! I'd recommend a PAR meter over LUX, but I used LUX at the beginning of my grow and once you're past seedling, those girls can take up to 40,000 lux for veg
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Looking Good πŸ‘
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