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Paulbearer1891 Paulbearer1891
4 years ago
The third week from seed is in the books and and it feels like I'm on track. Not to say perfect or without mistakes, but I expect that for the first time. The week started with me a little worried about the first set of serrated leaves curling on a couple of plants and majorly concerned about the abnormally low runoff EC from my coco. I think I figured out what I was doing wrong. I had been eyeballing the runoff amount I was generating and what I judged to be 20% of the amount was more like 80-100% when measured. I had also been diluting my full strength 1000 EC seedling mix with pure distilled water to hit my EC inflow targets. Now I'm using 800 EC CalMag water to dilute my mixes when needed. The plastic containers made my overwatering problem worse, so my goal of the week was to transplant to 1 gallon fabric pots. I spent the 2 days before transplant letting them dry out a bit, then hitting them with full strength seedling mix. I began to prepare my new coco for transplant 24 hours before, letting them get a good soak in a plastic container in the same full strength (1000 EC) seedling mix that I had been giving them. Transplant made me pretty nervous, I've never transplanted anything before. In fact, I haven't grown anything but fat and bald since 7th grade biology. I watered the seedlings to try to keep the coco around their root balls together just before filling the new containers with prepared coco. I used a spare seedling container to make a same sized hole in the coco and gently hand-loosened the seedlings from the plastic containers. Then it was time to turn their world upside down. It went pretty well until the last container. That seedling's root ball partially disintegrated while trying to flip back over into the new container. I think I got it in with minimal damage, but I also didn't fill the container with enough coco. The leaves barely make it over the rim. Also a couple of other containers have a gangsta lean. I might have to learn how to train my pots before I train the plants. The first water after trans was at seedling strength, but after that I moved to the above listed early vegetation schedule nutes (1100 EC). Runoffs started in the acceptable 1300-1350 range but have since increased into the 1500s. Figures I'm running high after running low. I'm not going to panic, just continue twice a day watering at around 1100 EC, 6.2 pH to 10-20% runoff and see how it goes. So far they've taken to the transplant well, even the one I moved too soon whose root ball wasn't fully developed. There was slight droop early but nothing major and now growth is kicking onto the 4th and 5th nodes. I'm pretty happy, what a great hobby. Other than that, I've done a couple light CalMag foliars before a 3 hour lights out period. Hopefully there's no harm to it even though I'm not seeing deficiencies, they just seem to respond well to it. Or maybe its just the lights out time I'm giving them. Also, it occurred to me that the packaging on the freebie Nap Time seeds didn't specify whether they're regular or feminized. I hope I didn't bring a male in. It definitely is the highest riser, but its also a different strain than the feminized Apple Blossoms that are around it that are maybe just bushier. Have to keep an eye on it.
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Paulbearer1891
Paulbearer1891started grow question 3 years ago
If a plant turns hermaphrodite because of stress (not a light leak), does the stress have to immediately precede the hermming? Or could the stress that causes it have occurred weeks earlier during veg, even though it seems to recover?
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sir_isOanswered grow question 3 years ago
Light leaking IS stress. But yes, stress induced weeks prior (since that stress isn't a single event, it has gradual, systemic effects coz it's conditional, environmental, nutrition, etc) can make plants hermi later than when the stress was induced (and the hormonal balance gradually shifts).
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TheUk420Show
TheUk420Showanswered grow question 3 years ago
Its a genetic problem in theory but light leaks will not help or disturbing their night cycle that's why I fill the grow room with green light so if any light were to get in it cant stress your ladies :) though even that is not enough sometimes i had 15 plants show bananas recently it was heart breaking but I know it was down to genetics because any light getting in would of been green and not effected them in anyway so its near enough impossible but to be sure I always try and test my tent between grows by sitting in to and looking for any light I can see protuding in if i can see any I will block it with tape or block it with somekind of stuffing. thats the best you can do though growing strains that you know dont herm is a good start so basically just strains you have grew before that had a good harvest and didnt herm lol
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Ferenc
Ferencweek 9
They love ya @Paulbearer1891
Grow3rPT
Grow3rPTweek 10
Muito bom, mesmo uma maravilha. Espero que tudo te corra bem. E no final uma boa colheita
Cannabeast40
Cannabeast40week 9
Looks fantastic😍 Good luck & Happy flowering πŸ˜ŠπŸ™
Lacrima
Lacrimaweek 9
Happy Growing ! 😊πŸ’ͺ
kansasscott725
kansasscott725week 1
Looks good to me. Sometimes those first set of leaves are just too big for the stem at first and they get a little wavy. Now your runoff... that's an issue. What kind of meter are you using? Is it the same meter for both intake & runoff? With numbers like that, it should correct itself after a healthy feeding. Next time, I'd saturate heavily with 50 % runoff and make sure you're whole medium is receiving nutrients. It's CoCo. Hard to overwater, and in your case, it's not receiving the nutrients well, and it's all about making sure the plant can eat what you're feeding it. I'd also recommend switching to an airpot. Better breathing and airflow.
Paulbearer1891
Paulbearer1891
@kansasscott725, I'm just hang feeding, no reservoir. I didn't know anything about it other than Dr. Coco suggested it as a surfactant replacement for SM90. Would it be useful in a CalMag foliar mix that would be sprayed? You're right on, I've been pretty much following the cocoforcannabis blueprint. I wanted something I could follow beginning to end for my first time, instead of trying to amalgamate all the youtube and podcast info I was absorbing into a Frankenstein of my own. I've seen a lot of people using the Cocos A&B that you're using, and I've since heard a lot of bad things about general hydroponics corporate overlords. I'll be looking to switch things up next grow or when the nutes run out. Seeing that your feeding EC is so high and my plants are showing some deficiencies, I'm wondering if I'm being too conservative and that's what led to the damage. Definitely your results are showing that you have things dialed in.
kansasscott725
kansasscott725
@Paulbearer1891, Glad to see things are turning around. With 80% runoff, makes sense the numbers were so low, you were essentially flushing everytime you fed. Your EC will fluctuate. So long as your Runoff is no more than 200 points higher, you're good. Question: Do you have a reservoir or are you manually mixing in gallon jugs, then pouring? I only ask because Yucca is only necessary for reservoirs. Your feeding line reminds me of the cocoforcannabis high frequency fertigation chart. I based my whole grow on those methods, but I added in the House & Garden nutrient line. My starting EC can get to almost 2.02 but when you feed in coco multiple times a day, the heavy nutes are freshly administered, and the girls will continue to thrive. Change its feeding from a lot to a little or add in sudden variables...that's when you'll run into issues.
Paulbearer1891
Paulbearer1891
@kansasscott725, Thanks for taking a look. I'm using the same meter to measure EC and making sure its in the same mode. Thanks for the suggestions, I'll do that for the next watering. I also have some 1 gallon fabric transplanted pots coming tomorrow so hopefully a transplant will help. More roots are showing at the bottom so I think we're about good to move them. Your advice is much appreciated, enjoy your weekend.
kansasscott725
kansasscott725week 3
To each his own... Whatever you do with watering in CoCo, be consistent and don't let it dry up. I would definitely water every day in coco in the fashion you are because essentially you're giving it a mini flush with steady nutrients everytime. If you water every 2 days then switch it back to one day or even multiple times a day, you'll have some salt build up and even potential lock outs. I'd dial back that Armor Si to 1.5 ml per gallon as well and make sure you're adding that first before anything else. Shake it up and let it dissolve for 10 min or so. Then add your Cal Mag (dial down to 4 ml) repeat, then add your base nutes. Add Diamond Nectar second to last ( also dial down a bit) You're additives are stronger than your base. Never worked with Rapid Start before, but add that last after Diamond Nectar according to the good Doctor. 8 ML Additive to 5ML Base tells me something is off. Dial down, feed everyday when lights come on. If EC raises more than 300 points from intake to drainage, increase your fertigations.
kansasscott725
kansasscott725
@Paulbearer1891, Yes. His chart is 1000% for High Frequency Fertigation. Last year it took me nearly 3 months to get in veg what I had in 3 weeks this time around. I always love the beginning and then I'm ridiculously exhausted by the end. Never ever again will I grow multiple plants (especially different strains) with high frequency fertigation. But I never missed a day and have made this far so why stop now. Next time, I'm going to grow just one Girl Scout Cookie and find the right feed for it ( seemed to like GH Floral line ). My hope is to stretch to fill my entire 4x5 space. With one plant, I'll really be able trust the auto timer for feeding as it should be relatively the same every day. After that, I think it's DWC time. I'm loving your grow. Now that you're feeding twice a day, just stick to the plan. If ya need help setting up auto system like Doc has on his page with the auto draining saucers, just follow the script. Best investment I ever made. I just πŸ”Œ the sub pump in and unplug 5 minutes later and voila! That's it. Every few days, I dump the drainage bucket that sits outside the tent. Makes watering multiple times per day a piece of cake.
Paulbearer1891
Paulbearer1891
@kansasscott725, Right on, my inconsistency is my biggest issue. And I think Dr. Coco's nute schedule is more for a higher frequency watering then I've been doing. I'll make those adjustments you recommend. I've also moved up to his late Veg mix the past few days, which brings the base levels up some (2.5/2.5/1.2) but I hadn't ever considered the proportion of base nutes to supplements, thanks for pointing that out. I have to keep an eye on the important stuff, and not that CalMag isn't, but I've clearly had something going on with N/P/K being low. Looking at what I've just posted, I don't think I did it justice with how bad some of the older fan leaves got damaged. And I've definitely got the lights cranked at 100% these days, I was scared I was burning them earlier but they seem to like light! Who'd have thought? Thanks as always for your help. Edit-and I've been watering twice a day now, no matter what. But I add the water slower and in intervals so I'm approaching the runoff point with better control. Before I was dousing until suddenly a ton of runoff would be pouring out, until it was 40-50% of inflow. Its a learning experience for sure!
kansasscott725
kansasscott725week 0
Best of luck brother. If you need anything, let me know.
kansasscott725
kansasscott725
@Paulbearer1891 Thanks Brochacho,
Paulbearer1891
Paulbearer1891
@kansasscott725, Thanks, I appreciate it. You've got some beautiful plants and an awesome setup!
MrJones
MrJonesweek 9
πŸ’―πŸ‘Hope you have an awesome weekend, Looking great, nice and healthy!πŸ‘πŸ’―
MrJones
MrJonesweek 7
πŸ’―πŸ‘The Garden is looking great! Happy 420!πŸ‘πŸ’―
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Very nice πŸ‘πŸ˜Ž. Keep up the good work! πŸ˜ƒ
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DoDrugs420week 11
That's what's up!
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spyderweek 5
lookin good....good luck with the grow....enjoy..
MrJones
MrJonesweek 5
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Legendaryseedthumb
Legendaryseedthumbweek 11
Hey! Happy growing my friend! I hope you do well and get some good results! I will come by sometime to see your progress! If you ever visit my page please say hello! Peace & love L.S.T
kansasscott725
kansasscott725week 6
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MrJones
MrJonesweek 11
πŸ‘Rock On! What Can You Say Your Grow Looks Great!πŸ‘
MrJones
MrJonesweek 8
πŸ‘Happy Monday Growmie! Great Update and your Garden Looks Great!πŸ‘
kansasscott725
kansasscott725week 3
and TURN THOSE LIGHTS UP!!! I'd recommend a PAR meter over LUX, but I used LUX at the beginning of my grow and once you're past seedling, those girls can take up to 40,000 lux for veg
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Looking Good πŸ‘
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