Good budget lights they have done great, I will highly recommend them as they have been worth every Penny. I think they work just as good as my spider farmer and I like the built in fan because it keeps it nice and cool. These are very concentrated led lights, I highly recommend using eye protection because they will strait blind you. Only draw back if there is one would be maybe they could have a little bigger footprint, but in a reflective grow environment these work GREAT!!