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Xavierfourtwenty
Xavierfourtwentystarted grow question 3 years ago
I'm really hoping this isn't the case but I honestly can't tell, but all my fan leaves are dying & some of the sugar leaves are starting to do the same... This isn't Bud Rot is it?
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NobodysBuds
NobodysBudsanswered grow question 3 years ago
"but the best way to catch it early is the leaves start dying off! " -- this is referencing the sugar leaves.. possibly fan leaves if they are pop out from the buds too. your sugar leaves wil all die off in the infected area. why fuzz at first, then grey, mushy nonsense late. just get a cheap 100 pack of stripps that resolve within .5ph with 4-colors to split it up pH range for easier resolution. it'll end up being a similar cost over time for calllibration and replacing the sensor periodically... plus having to buy and store 2-3 callibration solutions etc etc... 1281 ppm, if accurate, is an incredibly high dose of nutes. (*just an afterthought.. is this measured with tap water or calculated from labels? if with tap it's not as bad as i make it out below, but probably still too high unless your tap water is 500ppm range.. even more reason to calculate from the labels to guage balance of mix - shouldn't need more than a 1.5ec mix of nutes and hopefully not too hard of tap water).. if it is missing calcium, i'd be surprised and you should change brands if it is the case, lol.. again, i doubt it but possible. (google "ferilizer ppm calculator manic botanix" and see how much Ca you provide before assuming it is a Ca issue. can eliminate a lot of what-ifs and maybes with a modicum of effort.. plants will thank you) This is a bit more complicated with soil as some was likely in it to start... your tap water will cause variation in Ca/Mg needs compared to others too. nonetheless, if you take note of these things you can learn a safe zone and find a good balance faster than only reacting to the plant's physical appearance, which can easily be decieving when working with limited info. Anyway, at nearly 2.6ec you are at an upper range of short-term limits of the plant and well beyond its long-term metabolic rate of use. A plant can technically survive at 3ec but you don't want to feed it that much on purpose. I'd wager this is a toxicity causing lockout, so you'll see any number of symptoms that aren't actually the cause of the problem.... or in the case of 2.6ec, potentially more than one necessary molecule is too high concentration. on top of that you are in soil, which came with nutes built-in. The diary says you've also been fertilizing since week 1 -- at what i assume are instructed levels on the label? It's almost certainly overcooked. balance is key to fertilizing. It's more of a trial and error path with soil than soilless or hydro. if you change soils, you may have to re-learn that balance, but it is always easier the "2nd/next" time. if you use soil, let the plant eat it up and slowly ramp up fertilization over time as the soil requires more replenishment of nutes. Remember it is always easier to ramp up in reaction to a minor leaf issue than it is to fix any toxicity. unless working with a living soil, you end up providing near 100% of what is required by the end. if you want a ballpark of what that looks like, my (for soilless*) ppm table is in nearly any diary or week. i have hard water, so my ca/mg may be more than a few percent off from what you need. the npk values should translate to any 6ish pH range. higher pH may want less N among any other minor adjustments needed.
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Xavierfourtwenty
Xavierfourtwentyanswered grow question 3 years ago
Thanks NoBodysBuds for the descriptive input, I am still learning, there's way more to this than when I was a kid growing in my moms garage lol, while I am growing in soil. I bought the soil last year, this is actually my 3rd grow in this soil so any nutes it began with are long gone. As for gradually increasing the nutes as they grow I did not know about that until last night I read that in "The Grow Bible" figures, should've read this when I first got it! But I think I'll do a good flush on all the plants & go from there, thanks again for all of your inputs everyone. I'm learning as I grow, so thanks a bunch
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Rytmause
Rytmauseanswered grow question 3 years ago
Looks more like calmag def mate
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Organoman
Organomananswered grow question 3 years ago
Classic case of severe cal/mag deficiency. Old leaves will not recover but adding some extra cal/mag will prevent it from continuing. Giving way more than recommended will not make them recover faster. Bud rot affects buds, you don't have anything dense enough for rot yet. Now, to tell you off. This is a problem that takes weeks to manifest, leaving it until this advanced stage before asking for help is naughty!
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Roberts
Robertsanswered grow question 3 years ago
Calcium deficiency is what leaves are showing
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Xavierfourtwenty
Xavierfourtwentyanswered grow question 3 years ago
I think my meters are bad, I'm thinking of just buying some new ones, being on a budget got me some cheap equipment & cheap meters to begin with. I don't think that tds meter is operating correctly or the battery is going bad! I also had a problem with my pH going up when putting in the water in the 9's but then would start to decrease
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Xavierfourtwenty
Xavierfourtwentyanswered grow question 3 years ago
@ grower Tom, no sprays & I've been double & triple checking my pH & it's staying at 6.0. Now as far as plants showing signs of Bud Rot in the leaves, that's what it shows online, mushy & gray stems but starts on the inside of the buds, but the best way to catch it early is the leaves start dying off!
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gottagrowsometime
gottagrowsometimeanswered grow question 3 years ago
Okay, good news. If your PH is right I can see where you are slight possibly tripping up. You are giving too much off boost and grow nutes, yet you have great micros and using 1/5 that compared to 2 bloom nutes, so 2/10 in dif. Flush cause for sure you have salt/nutelockout and many more issues caused by def/tox that's the prob with nute lockout the plant will still take some of the nutes like too much N and not enough C. Match your micros with at least the same amount of bloom ml and cut 1 out. They both do the same thing. Or just use 1ml of each. And your TDS is too high for this early on in a photo bring it down to 1.2 even 1 for now. Basically restart the nute programme after flush and 24-48 hrs of just water then begin nutes again. Remove those dead leafs over all your plant looks lovely and less is more in early stages of flower-coming out of veg. Best of luck, happy growing.
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gottagrowsometime
gottagrowsometimeanswered grow question 3 years ago
That's not burns. That's inside the leafs. m0use is rite, PH and tox/def get sucked into the inside of the leafs by way of drinking the water. You'll have hard time bringing her to flower with so many dead leafs not bringing in energy. There is a chance you can save her. But into grow. Strip any or all dead leafs. Hopefully u have enough to kick start new growth. But don't even tackle this until you flush, no matter the sub, something's up. I'll have a look at ur diary now and see what it might be, I wouldn't say its soil cause then PH isn't really an issue unless it's a light mix and u way off and even then it takes a lot with too much nute.
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Grower_Tom
Grower_Tomanswered grow question 3 years ago
Are you using a foliar spray with your light on? Maybe a bad mix of foliar? I ask because it’s not over the whole plant but in specific areas. Could be tough to salvage a good crop now with so much sun leaf damage.
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m0use
m0useanswered grow question 3 years ago
bud rot is in the buds not the leaves. that looks like a PH issue maybe.
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