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Im confused why flush? (or grow in any way that requires flushing right at the end?) If you dont want to smoke it why use it? Am I missing something?

Alchemy_Aotearoa
Alchemy_Aotearoastarted grow question 2 years ago
Please answer either a,b,c,d or e *(a)to flush nutrients out when plants need them the most to do the final fortnights fatten up? *(b)to water down the flavour of my weed? *(c)because i believe my weed will taste bad? *(d) its what everyone else does? *(e) all of the above?
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Alchemy_Aotearoa
Alchemy_Aotearoaanswered grow question a year ago
Hi Everyone, Thought I would wait for everyone who wanted to say something had the chance to. First thanks for taking the time to reply, the answers range from comical one liners to late night nonlinear rhetorical sagas with a few specks of gold amongst the sand (isn't that always the way). I will not comment directly to anyone so as not to cause offence which inevitably happens when someone directs an opinion at others lol. So, flushing (like time đŸ˜‚đŸ€Ł) is a construct of man. The sweetest herb you will ever sprunge can be found growing wild somewhere, no fertilizer, just doing it's thing...of course there will be seeds because nature that is not interfered with proliferates like crazy! But the point remains that herb just grew...in the sun ...that's it! Flushing was invented by silly humans who thought they knew better but didn't and realised oh shit my weed tastes like ass on toast, won't burn properly and cures weird..these "amazing concoctions" we have made synthetically have a tendency to build up in the plant making it taste...to put it mildly..off! That's is why flushing was invented- to flush out the buildup that affects the taste of your pot. Of course companies are going to tell you you need to flush because if you don't try smoking that rubbish and get back to me. Here's the facts, weed should always be delicious if it isn't it's because of unnatural environmental factors such as us humans fucking with it by trying to force our plants to be like wild frothing racehorses in a game that is actually about grace and patience. I stand by this - if you don't add all that nonsense (like nature) you DONT need to flush! Also this is a time when plants require nutrients not ..to have them flushed out. Often the fade you see comes in too early because those vital nutrients were just washed away when they were really needed (the final two weeks of flowering y'know .when all the weight comes) and you end up with fluffy boof weed (yay flushing...NOT!). Also this lowers the immunity of the plant at a systemic level meaning your lovely plants are now more susceptible than ever to disease and mould. Does it not make better sense to keep your plant in the best possible health the WHOLE way through AND have it taste delicious to boot? I mean doesn't it though? Just because we are told something by "trusted" companies doesn't mean it's correct. Don't get me started im sure you all could name three "trusted" companies that told you lies in like 5secs I reckon so don't even. I'm trying to talk logically to you growmies to think outside the box these companies built around you so as they can lock you in to their brand FOREVER! It's quite a sick game.... wouldn't it make more sense with time management, stress levels (all the timing and measuring and wondering and worry) and quality of smoke overall to stop playing it? Check the facts, organic weed is not only the preferred product for obvious health reasons but the tastiest on the market...hands down. Think about it .why is it that "Organic" "Biodiverse" "Organic Sungrown" get the premium pricetags? Because people "feel" better about consuming it if they know the planet (including ganja) was respected along the way and toxic products hadnt been added to their most favorite herb. It just makes sense doesn't it? I know from experience organic wins with potency and taste and most often the yield although not always ..think of a normal chicken on the farm running around and then think of that fat gormless chicken they pump full of hormones and chemicals...yup ..it's the same thing...chemically grown weed if you get it right will more often than not produce larger yields indoors because it's easier than trying to replicate nature indoors which can be a but tricky ..as you can tell from my own diaries it's hit and miss. I guess the point of this was to try to understand why anyone would op for, what seems to me, the hardest possible option...plate spinning chemicals. Instead of premixing and topdressing both of with I personally only do one of each...a premix in soil for veg and a top dressing mix for flowering...that's it. All I do is water... seriously. So when I see all these growers using chemicals the "trusted" companies say are so good and their crops are failing because of basic shit like pH and Nute burn. These companies are running circles around innocent growers creating a false sense of anxiety which in turn translates to money over the counter for them and their marvelous range of snake oils! It's upsetting to watch some growers even become disillusioned by it all and just give up thinking they aren't good growers...when the truth is they were perhaps just a little heavy or light handed with the mixing such is the way of beginners and because they were solely reliant on a product range the whole apple cart tips up and the grow goes to shit. So I'm open to more conversation around this however I believe I've made a solid argument for dropping the habit of flushing unecesary and expensive chemicals and giving organic gardening a go. *Drops mic *Lights Joint
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Chucky324
Chucky324answered grow question a year ago
Hello. I flush and will always flush. Why do the big nutrient company's still make flushing agents if you don't have to use them?!? The 2 top company's Advanced Nutrients - Flawless Finish and General Hydroponics - Flora Clean. Why do they still make them if we don't have to flush anymore?!? You would think Advanced Nutrient would look into it and research it and wouldn't make it if people didn't use or need to use it??? I mean there is big money working here. Other companies that still make flushing agents are: Grotek Final Finish - Green Buzz Clean Fruits - Plant Magic Flush - B.A.C. Flush. Why would so many still make flushing agents??? Why don't you email them and tell them they don't need to make their flushing products anymore. Or at least email them and ask them why they do. Some stupid report was written by a nutrient co. (that would make a lot of money if they could get you to stop flushing) that said we don't have to flush anymore. The samples that they sent out also had The Perfect Pipe sent with them. It has a filter you can change. It makes even the worst stuff taste, not bad. I'll wait for the independent lab (ones that won't make money for what it finds) to do a report on flushing. Chuck.
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TheBluntBeauty
TheBluntBeautyanswered grow question 2 years ago
A for me
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Papablob
Papablobanswered grow question 2 years ago
Bien moi je suis un peu d'accord avec Creepy_Steve et Alchemy_Aotearoa. Il y a beaucoup de bizness et de lĂ©gende dans la culture du cannabis, et ils poussent Ă  la vente. Logique. Bon bien tant que c'est pas chĂšre, que ca rassure (mĂȘme moi, je le sais) et que ce n'est pas dangereux pour la santĂ©. Et c'est la le truc Ă  mon avis. La plupart ne savent pas vraiment se qu'ils utilisent, et ce rassure avec le rinçage. Quoi que, Un collĂšgue, il y a une dizaine d'annĂ©e avait essayĂ© un engrais pour gĂ©ranium qui avait vraiment, et de maniĂšre flagrante (trĂšs chimique) de tuer le gout et l'odeurs de ces tĂȘtes. Mais je l'ai soupçonnĂ© d'avoir rĂ©coltĂ© en catastrophe aprĂšs un surdosage...Pour ĂȘtre sur, il faudrait tester scientifiquement, plusieurs fois, et ca coute cher.
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AsNoriu
AsNoriuanswered grow question 2 years ago
btw when small plants have magnesium deficiency almost from start, its either ph or too rich medium. If leaves are so crusty and waxy, nitrogen toxicity you can veg plant till week 4-5 with 50W , big lights on small distance cooks plants. People who has such issues from the start definitely should use flush at the end ;)
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AsNoriu
AsNoriuanswered grow question 2 years ago
First we have to name The medium. I grow in soil, i was flushing ( really putting like 200 liters in few waves through 20-30 liters of soil), now i use a lot less than little nutrition, compared to flushing attempts, think now weed tastes even better or i grow better ;) Yes i cut nitrogen early , week 5-6 of veg, cut down all nutritions 2-4 weeks before harvest, all individual, by plant. There was many studies, half of them payed up by nute company .... So it leaves me with believe that in SOIL its more of a growers choice . But hydro and coco .... Different story i would say ....
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Autofutur
Autofuturanswered grow question 2 years ago
Personal opinion I flush because I want all the nutrients out of my Coco. I believe it forces the plant to use what is in her,causing: A: a potential beautiful fade depending on strain B: by inducing that fade I hope to also get as much chlorophyll from the plant as I can before cutting and drying and that I believe make the weed taste better
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Sciolistic_Steve
Sciolistic_Steveanswered grow question 2 years ago
but... orgnaic growing is for the birds, lol... i'll stick to my formula that works on .. well so far every single strain i've every grown with minimal adjustments and virutally no health issues from sowing to harvest in regard to nutrients. It's the same atoms used to reproduce cells over and over... it doesn't change based on what you feed "that" much... though it may have minimal impact. my buds don't taste like chemicals BWAHAHAH that's a myth. That's someone fucking up their grow and blaming it on the nutes.
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Sciolistic_Steve
Sciolistic_Steveanswered grow question 2 years ago
you aren't being cheeky... flushing at end of harvest is the product of the "peanut gallery."
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Sciolistic_Steve
Sciolistic_Steveanswered grow question 2 years ago
A) No, it doesn't do that magic. Law of conservation of mass would have something to say about that. The plant cannot manifest building blocks out of the ether. Flushing is a culturally-constructed concept. Someone did it a while back and said it was best. It somehow stuck. This is the problem with anecdotal stuff. Ego and lack of a better undertanding of how to figure out causality the primary causes. (not employing the scientific method and just assuming what worked well to the eye is best.) Flushing does not reduce minerals in flower material. Anyone that says this is simply wrong. We have lab equipment that is more than capable of resolving such things. You can trust the research. "Initial studies" are mostly proven false at a later date, but with such a simple question as this relative to our technological capabilities, you can trust the reults. B+C) You cannot "water down" your flavor under any reasonable context of common sense gardening. You can evaporate terps off the plant in heat and extreme light, which could impact flavor. Ppl say outdoor vs indoor taste different and maybe some methods of fertilization will impact flavor, but a nuclues or chlorophyll organelle won't change compisition.. ie. the parts of the cell are still made the same and need the same proportional amount of N, C, H, O, et al... to make it. The cooking instructions don't change in the DNA... So, any variance is likely limited in some ways but does occur. A buddy of mine grew a clone. He feeds much differently than i do. It comes out a bit different. So, it can effect proportions of 'something' in the plant. Blind taste tests show that ppl cannot distinguish between a flushed and non-flushed harvest. D) Some ppl still cling to it, yes. Some ppl want to use antibiotics for things caused by viruses. conclusion: ppl are not smart. Flushing is tool you use when the plant is suffering from some sort of toxicity, or may some other condition I just don't have the imagination to think of in this moment. The point is, when it is done for real reasons, it has a real effect. Flushing at end of harvest has no real effect other than the figments in some ppl's minds. So, if it is healthy, no worries. if it is toxic, give it water... if it fades and timing looks right for bud development to finish, that's senescence and no problem as long as plant can finish its buds. I wouldn't react the 'other' way and feed it more either, assuming a well-balanced diet exists.
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Alchemy_Aotearoa
Alchemy_Aotearoaanswered grow question 2 years ago
Of course im being cheeky! But honestly am I missing something because for me, it does not make sense to feed your plant something that you wouldn't feel comfortable smoking. The last two weeks is when the buds grow the most..meaning they need nutrients...to flush them away at that critical moment is something I cant get my head around either. Just seems like a whole lot of work and stress for a product that doesn't come close to its organic counterpart in flavour and terpene levels (Science!). From my observations also I see a lot of failing happening because good peoples grows are tenuously balanced on the measurements and numbers given by greedy companies. Where they are enticed by bullshit to buy half a dozen products then play what I call the game of spinning plates to get everything just right. Ive got PTSD its too much stress for me. Im all for less is more...and it works! Im open to be convinced that all that work for often fluffy chemical burnt flushed out pale reggie weed is worth it. Im just saying and im not pointing fingers...I truly feel these fertiliser companies are screwing people...preying on insecurities and fully taking advantage. Ill say it now and ill say it loud if you are using more than one feed for veg and one for flowering...YOU ARE BEING SCREWED! And for goodness sakes and the sake of your plants health and your health try organic growing. Even if its just one pot in the corner of your room as comparison. I guarantee if you get it right you won't go back! Bless you growmies..yes im stirring the pot somewhat but this is a serious point of contention for me with Grow Chemical (that word alone should be warning) companies! Come at me! With love AA
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