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Troy_McClure
Troy_McClurestarted grow question 5 years ago
soil ph is erratic fox farm ocean forest : pro-mix (3:1) - ph 6.3-6.8 run-off ph: plant 2: 4-6 plant 1: 5-6.8 watering / feed ph: 6.3-6.45 soil ph after water /feed: 5-7 soil ph when dry: 7.5-8 both plants treated 100% the same phosphorus deficiency / ph imbalance help please
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Leaves. Color - Yellow
Leaves. Color - Dark-brown
Plant. Stem - Red or purple
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JinksyGrows
JinksyGrowsanswered grow question 5 years ago
Hello there. PH mal-adjustment with, what looks like, a P/Cal deficiency. I also used Ocean Forest in my first grow because the pre-nutrient amended soil was attractive to me, but it kind of hurt more then it helped. Same as you, I ran into almost constant pH problems when using OC and it frustrated me endlessly (ended up using a neutral soil for the last 2 gallons for last pot up). Good news, I wouldn't panic over this too much. Changes need to made, probably some trial and error, but they will come back. Red/purple stems can be a symptom of P deficiency but I see your night temps are around 19 degrees Celsius and could this can also change the colors of your stems, laterals and leaf veins. Copper spotting does not look like splash back to me at all. I feel you're looking at a phosphorous and calcium deficiency. The uptake of these nutrients is optimal at 6.2 and with the current swings in your pH (and also work in conjunction with one another), I don't think the plant is taking much of it up. You can give it as much as you'd like, but she just may not be having it. Suggested solution: (Same thing I did to mitigate and remedy the same symptoms) Next feed (or two) I would simply "flush through" a good amount of pH balanced water @ 6.2-6.4. I would not recommend over-compensating and feeding anything about 6.6 as this may fix one problem while creating another (possible lockout of other essential nutrients). In these "flush throughs" I add my phosphorus blooming supplement with cal/mag (Usually 3/4 dose. Trust your gut, though). This way, you can properly flush out excess salts/nutrients/developing pathogens while not starving her of the P and Cal she desperately wants right now. After a couple consecutive flush throughs, you should notice the pH start to balance itself out. When you return to normal feeding (if pH is back in order) I would also suggest watching how much Nitrogen supplementation you give the ladies. Micro nutrients that work along side Nitrogen, like zinc, copper and iron, can interrupt the uptake of P and Cal/Sulfur and keep the soil mal-adjusted (uptake of these nutrients is around 5.5-5.7). OC medium is hard to gauge when it comes to Nitrogen. It's highly amended with these macro/micro nutrients and can certainly cause trouble. There are no hard answers to this question, but rather a roadmap to possible remedies over time. Your girls will be just fine. Just need a little tweaking!👍 I hope this helped my friend. If this is the answer you're looking for there is no need to "pick" it. Remove the question and keep it for another day😉 (Weird how there's a time frame limitation to questions...I don't understand why). Cheers and good luck, no matter what course of action you take!!✊
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DWCHC
DWCHCanswered grow question 5 years ago
The problem is that when dealing with soil and soilless mixes the lack of good beneficial microbes makes it easy for pathogens to run rampant as well as being a vector for pests.. left alone, these mixes in an indoorsetting require regular inputs to function properly.. outdoors the soil microbiology keeps the pH in check and it's the plants that determine the soil microbiology in the rhizosphere with their root exudates.. hence no need to check pH as long as your not usingmineral salt based fertilizers.. indoors, a water culture is ideal, in a saline solution, keptat the right temps and keeping all light out, is much easier and forgiving to manage and is a vector for only a couple pathogens when temp goes up or lightgets in... Clean, and gives you access to the roots to check their health visually.. just food for thought.... Keep it Green!
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ThrashedTV_BakedByGlaze
ThrashedTV_BakedByGlazeanswered grow question 5 years ago
I have a very similar Ocean Forrest and ProMix ratio in my grow and had similar problems! I'm more leaning towards the spotting is rust/leaf spot fungus from the Ocean Floor which seems to be a common problem after some searching. Water splashes back during feeds or sprays and transfer it after touching soil. I've removed spotted fan leaves before any yellowing happens and disinfected the grow area/fans to keep spread at bay until flower. (Plant soaps and organic fungal spray still an option in the next few days before the flowers start to form too 👍 IF it's just the PH, don't let the soil dry out too much and it should keep it in a small enough range between 6-7 to avoid any flux spotting 🙌 Good luck!
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