June25:🤦‍♂️🏿🙆‍♂️🏿🤷‍♂️🏿 June27: the lizards have attacked again... for this... today we are going to raise the girls and place a mesh June28: I have no idea how they did it... but they got in again!

---------------------------------- ~SEEDSMAN PEYOTE FORUM~ ---------------------------------- Characteristics BREEDER/BRAND: Seedsman GENETICS: GSC Forum Cut x Peyote Purple VARIETY: Indica / Sativa FLOWERING TYPE: Photoperiod SEX: Feminized THC CONTENT: 20%+ GROWS: Indoors, Outdoors FLOWERING TIME: 65 days MEDICAL CONDITIONS: Glaucoma, Headaches, Migraines, Stress MEDICINAL PROPERTIES: Yes EFFECT: Powerful __________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ ~🤩This run is part of a Seedsman Seeds sponsored PEYOTE FAMILY COOPERATIVE GROW, I'm also cultivating a Peyote Gorilla and Peyote Zkittles that each have their own diaries.💚~ 'Peyote Forum is an Indica-sativa hybrid cross between the legendary taste sensation Forum Cookies, a pheno-type of GSC (Girl Scout Cookies), and the highly potent Peyote Purple cannabis strains. This is a must-have strain for your collection which produces very high THC content.. Forum Cookies is a 75% sativa strain which retains the qualities of the original Girl Scout Cookies while adding extra cerebral sativa effects. Despite the dominance of sativa the buds it produces are very dense and rich in resin-exuding trichomes which glisten against the forest green bud-leaves and orange pistils. Some plants may display purple colors in the buds and smaller leaves at maturity. While yields aren't enormous they are certainly decent and the sheer quality more than makes up for this fact. Flowering takes 65 days give or take. Flavors are pungent and similar to the original GSC showing a pungent Skunk character with notes of nuts and sweet spices and suggestions of earth and pine. THC production will vary between 19 - 28% depending on conditions, lighting intensity and the skill of the grower. The effect is physically relaxing while offering a cerebral twist which is uplifting, relieving stress while also helping with the symptoms of glaucoma, migraines and headaches. Peyote Purple, however, is an Indica-dominant strain with 90% Indica genetics. Its ancestry can be traced from a single purple phenotype which was back-crossed for several generations in order to stabilize its qualities. This plant takes 8 - 9 weeks of flowering before it is ready to harvest producing average yields of way-above-average weed. The THC content is very high with plants reaching between 18 - 28%. Its name is attributed to its headiness as this Indica offers some pronounced cerebral effects with a relaxing yet uplifting high which can leave smokers sleepy and somewhat unfocused with heavier use. Therapeutically it is recommended for the treatment of chronic pain, cramps, Insomnia, muscle spasms and stress. Brought together in Peyote Forum growers can expect some very potent, tasty dank buds with high levels of THC and an uplifting high.' *description credit to Seedsman Seeds __________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ THE SETUP: ~Planted into Jiffy Peat Pellets that were hydrated with de-chlorinated water with SuperThrive added then ph'd to 6.0 @ 80℉ ~Grown 100% organic in 10g fabric pots with Mother Earth 70/30 Coco/Perlite medium amended with 2tbs/g of Down To Earth 4-4-4 / 2 cups/g of Earthworm Castings / 1tbs/g of Dr. Earth Flower Girl 3-9-4, 1tbs/g of Dr. Earth Bat Guano, 3/4 cup of Down To Earth Azomite and 1 tsp/g Down To Earth Fish Bone Meal. ~24hr light cycle during Germination / 19/5 light cycle for Vegetation and 12/12 for Flower ~Straight water ph'd @ 6.2-6.8 when needed and weekly Compost Tea's. __________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ WEEKLY UPDATES: 9/27- Week Seven of flower here we go! She's looking good to go with her flowers stacking and her trichome production continuing to coat her flowers! Today she was given 1.5g of de-chlorinated water which was ph'd to 6.2 @ 72℉ which I gave her half through her drip pan (bottom chuggin), the remainder trough the medium. I also gave her pot a 1/4 turn. 9/29- Yesterday I didn't water her, only turned her pot and checked her over... Wow! She's really ramping up the trichomes making her flowers look like their sugar coated! 🤩 I watered her today with 1.5g of de-chlorinated water with 1 tsp/g of unsulfured molasses added which was then ph'd to 6.4 @ 72℉. The molasses will give the microbial colony some additional food as well as supplying micro-nutrients to the plant. I finished out the daily maintenance giving her a check over and turning her pot 1/4 turn to ensure she gets light to every inch of her. 10/1- Yesterday was a 'no water' day as her pot was still fairly heavy to lift. Today she was watered with her usual of 1.5g of de-chlorinated water which was ph'd to 6.2 @ 72℉. Her flowering continues to impress me with her trichome production covering her flowers with 'frost' she's a sight for sore eye's! 😍 The end of next week will be the beginning of her wrapping up with the 'Finish Line' approaching by Week 9, but it will all depend on when she tells me that she's ready to go! 10/3- With Week Seven coming to a close we're going into the last 2-3 weeks for this lady and she's right on track, looking like a Rock Star! 🤩 I watered heavy yesterday and added 1 tsp/g of Unsulfured Molasses to the 1.5g of de-chlorinated water which was then ph'd to 6.6 @ 72℉. Her pot had some weight to it when I checked today so I'll skip watering her until tomorrow. I finished up today by checking her over and giving her pot a turn. ~Thanks for stopping in! This epic run will be wrapping up in the coming weeks...Stay lifted and be Blessed! 😎🙏~

Hey fellow growers it's been a crazy week in Wackytabacky420 land!!! So at this moment I'm down too critical purple #1 and pineapple auto #1. This is the feed schedule for the week. 11/12/21 Watered all 3 plants 3/4ml ph down Ph 6.3 180 Ppm Solution temp 71.3°f 11/16/21 Critical purple #1 1ml ph down Ph 6.36 180ppm Solution temp 73.2F Pineapple auto #1 1ml ph down Ph 6.31 180 Ppm Solution temp 71.3F As you all know I pulled critical purple #2 last week and this week I pulled pineapple auto #2. This is what's going down in wackyland... 11/11/21 put critical purple #2 in 48hrs darkness 11/13/21 Chopped critical purple #2 wet weight 158 grams and placed pineapple auto #2 in 48 hours darkness 11/15/21 Chopped pineapple auto #2 wet weight 465 grams So with these 2 plants and my 2 from first grow I have 4 plants drying right now for a total wet weight of 25oz's!!! With two monster plants still to harvest! Critical purple #1- was my slowest grower but will be my shining critical purple as it is huge compared to critical purple #2! This lady is thickening up very well and is prob a week or 2 out! Pineapple auto #1- This is my biggest plant to date and has many bud sights so I am pretty sure she will be my highest yielder. This lady has a week or two left to go!! I am an affiliate for Viparspectra!! So excited to be a member of their team as I love my Viparspectra vs1000 lights! But if your in the market for grow items check them out for your grow needs! Here you can use these to help save u 💰! Who doesn't like to save💰?! 🤑 https://partners.viparspectra.com/?ref=Wackytabacky420 🤑 Or coupon code: Wackytabacky420 Well till next week! Thank u all for the likes, comments, follows, and all around kindness! Love my ❤️ Growing community ❤️

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Start week 7

With this thick headbud, there is a risk of getting wet and bad weather and we dont want any budrod so we cut the headbud after 66 days from seed to harvest we took away some fan leafs and hung it up to dry. the lower buds may need a few more days. Its really unbelieveble how much resin she produces. smoking report is following

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Day 7 Veg: A great start for the ladies has been slowed slightly by leaving them a few days too long in their germination pots. I usually plant into the final.pot from seed bit uad to wait this time for space. They took a hit with transplant shock I think and a few deformed leaf sets have resulted. I think this will sort itself once the plants resettle bit with time being precious on autos , I hope its soon. One of the Banana Mash is a real mutant it seems with two odd looking leaves and a tiny bit of new node showing through. The Purple monkey are all doing very well so far and rhe transplant has not hit them so hard. i also think I have a mango cream growing from a seed that popped out of the mango crop I did. lets see. Be safe and free Growmies.

8/8 Rained all night. Still raining today and the forecast says it will continue throughout the day until midnight. It's come down heavy at times but for the most part it's a rain that plants like. Defoliated a couple leaves but nothing really needed it. Without a trellis or my tarps up the grow bags seem to dry out incredibly fast so I need to watch that. It's also "toughened" up the plant wants. I've seen them blowing straight sideways and they were fine. I do need to find that four lined plant bug and spray BT after the rain. Plants lovedcthe nutes. I might feed a little later today or tomorrow. I've got a few things to do but I'll keep this updated. Went over and defoliated ANYTHING that needed it and combed through every plant during a pause in the storm. Then I shook them all off and did a video. This is by far the healthiest crop I've grown! I think they can handle more nutes too so I'm going to up it next feed. Still seeing stptadoc chunks missing and random pillar damage. BT will handle it. It's just so minor I'm not even sure if it should be addressed that way. I've had pretty good luck just looking for them and picking them off. 8/9 Cannabis can grow an inch or two in a day and it definitely has been! The rain has finally stopped. I went and shook all my plants off. I'm going to check and see the last time I fed and try to get a feeding schedule created that won't cause lockout. That's been a problem in the past. I've defoliated a lot of leaves lately but EVERYTHING is looking amazing. Extremely healthy. I DO need to spray BT for the pillars and I need to move that one plant back. I keep forgetting to grab the little wheels I need to make a platform. There are other ways I could do it I guess. I'll keep this updated. No damage from the storm and I went through and defoliated before and after. Forgot to upload shit and now I'm back home with this shitty internet connection. I'm trying to upload this video but we'll see. It's at like 32%. I did a full workout and came back to find this at 77% lol. I need to remember to upload things when I'm not in the middle of the woods. UPDATE: Checked on things and did a video. Need to feed, apply bt and secure individual branches before flowering increases 8/10 LOOKS to be a beautiful day. Growbags are heavy as hell and wet on the bottom. I ALMOST fed today and I still might. The pp in the 10 seems to have leeched a lot of nutes. That and a giant blueberry cheese are the only places I'm seeing a deficiency and I want to keep it simply. I also need to put a trellis up apply BT. also if I'm going to move things around I've got to do it before I put up flowering supports. It's harder to move stuff when it's wet. I'll keep this updated. The girls look fantastic. UPDATE: Went and trellised two of my plants. I was going to feed today but decided to wait until the next time I water. I'm only seeing deficiencies on the phrple punch in the ten and the GIANT blueberry cheese that I watered the most. Bags were heavy as hell this morning but I bet I'll need to water tomorrow. We'll see. Hahaha wow. I'm trying to upload a video but even my tough as fuck plants might have some difficulty in torrential rains like this. Wow. That's all I can say. I'll either go check and shake them off tonight or if it keeps it up I'll wait until morning I guess. What a shit show 8/11 WOW. That's probably the hardest I've ever seen it rain. Got to the grow this morning and found NO damage. It's super sunny amd windy so the bags will probably dry out. I think it's suppised to rain again Sunday. I definitely haven't had to water that's for sure. Nothing was even bent over this morning. The blue cheese I didn't fim or top (I wanted to see gow it grew naturally) pop ka was bent down a little bit but not much considering the pounding it got. You can see on the videos. Since bags were saturated I didn't need to water before I fed. I fed 1.25 pints to every plant. I gave the fifty 2.5 pints and the purple punch in the 10 got closer to a pint. I want to start out slow with nutes as I'm nor seeing many deficiencies. I may fuck around today and put some more trellises up seeing this wind bur when flower comes I can just put my tarp up. I'll update as I go. UPDATE: WENT BACK OVER BECAUSE THE WIND WAS WHIPPING LIKE CRAZY AND TREES WERE DOWN. I SANITIZED ALL MY TRELLISING AND HORIZONTALLY TRELLISED TWO 10TH PLANETS IN FRONT AND VERYICAL TRELLISED THE THIRD. HORIZONTAL TRELLISED THE PURPL WE PUNCH IN THE 10 AND VERTICAL TRELLISED THE BLUE CHEESE IN THE 50 AND THE 10TH PLANET IN THE MIDDLE OF THE CAGE. GLAD I GOT THIS DONE. NOW I JUST NEED TO SPRAY BT AND I'LL FEEL CAUGHT UP. 8/12 Got my supports up and ready now I've just got to find the time to give the girls an application of BT. I've done a pretty good job with manual removal thus far. Bags are over watered. It's Rained so hard and so often that the bags have stayed drenched. Luckily this ridiculous wind has been drying my grow bags out relatively fast. I'm hoping that will be the case today. They're starting to dry out but it's supposed to rain tonight and I think tomorrow. Bright and sunny right now. These are some resilient plants. They seemed to like the liquid kool bloom. I noticed (barely noticeable but I was looking for it) a SLIGHT color change at the very TIPS of a few leaves on a plant but not enough to consider it burn. I will monitor but I think ive got a pretty good feeding regimen. I plan to use as little as I can get away with. I'll keep this updated. UPDATE: WENT TO CHECK ON PLANTS AS I GOT "THAT FEELING". EVERYTHING WAS LOOKING GREAT BUT THEN I WENT AND LIFTED MY DRY 22GALS OF SOIL AND COMPATED IT TO MY 20S AND LIKE I THOUGHT THE WIND HAD DRIED THEM OUT. I CANT BELIEVE HOW QUICK THEY DRY OUT. I GAVE EVERYTHING 1.5 GALLONS AT LEAST EXCEPT FOR THE 10 WHICH I GAVE A LITTLE LESS THAN A GALLON. I GAVE THE 50 A LITTLE OVER 2 GALLONS AND I DISNT NOTICE RUNOFF. I HAD MORE WATER MIXED UP IM THINKING I SHOULDVE GIVEN IT ANOTHER GALLON. OH WELL ITS SUPPISED TO RAIN A LITTLE TONIGHT AND THEN TOMORROW. I HAVEN'T WAYERED IN LIKE A WEEK SO I PROBABLY SHOULD'VE GIVEN THE WHOLE 2 GALLONS. THEY GOT DAMN CLOSE THOUGH. 8/13 Rained like hell last night. Oh course it did. Doesn't really matter though. I had to water. I thibk the last time "I" watered was lime a week ago. My bags were dry. Plants weren't drooping and they might've been ok but I've under-watered twice already to the point they drooped right over dead looking and I wasn't going to do that again. Plants seem to love the nutes I gave. Keeping the tarps off and allowing the wind through and having my bags on pallets has really saved me this year. Everyone else is bitching about the rain and lack of sun but things are going great for me knock on wood. I'm not 'in the ground' though so that probably has something to do with it. I just need to check my plants multiple times a day. These plants are getting massive. The cage is at least 8ft tall and the biggest one is about to the top now. Almost as wide too. 8/14 I forgot to write the entry but I uploaded some pics from this morning. They were wet from the storm but I went back over and took video that's like two and a half minutes plus I took some pictures. I pulled the cage out but I need to undue one of the lathes and pull it forward. I also need to apply BT. Plants seem to be aggressively flowering (some more than others) so it's a real exciting time. I went over this afternoon and everything looked fantastic. I'll try to upload a few pictures but the video will have to wait. Didn't rain today and my bags sry out quick so I'm sure they'll be fine even if it rains. I did notice that the two plants I watered most including the smallest container seem lighter in color. IT might hust be the transition to flower but u think I need to increase feed. On the 10th planet's they are green as can be and have that SLIGHT little almost unnoticeable part you really have to look for on the tips that means it's getting its nutes but it's not burnt. I believe I'm going to have to make feeding schedules for each strain

Wow she looks awesome!!!! I really don’t know what else to say. She smells pungent with a fuel odor. She has big buds buds big as my head!

Once again GALACTIC buds! And once again cant add the comment lol

08.07.2023 Tag 64 an #1 hab ich leichten Magnesiummangel festgestellt, es gab heute beim Gießen eine kleine extra Dosis CalMag und ein Blattspray mit Epsom Salz - ansonsten entwickeln sich beide hervorragend - ich habe 2 Secret Jardin Cossmorrow 20W Bloom mit ins Zelt gehangen, um die langen Budsites zu bedienen - das bringt ganz schön Temperatur ins Zelt Alles in Allem bin ich sehr zufrieden bisher -> vor allem mit der Entlaubung. Das sieht jetzt richtig gut aus.

Bottom left I forgot I mixed with coco as I didnt have enough livingsoil left to fill the pot. Showing some signs of fading but giving it a dose of biobizz tonight and 50g 2 8 10 amendment to each. Watering 2L each every 2days still. Weekly microben feed at 5ml per L 25/10/25 - Added 55g of 2 8 10 amendment to each pot and mixed then watered 2L 5ml per L microben Ph6.8 27/10/25 - Watered 2.5L each Ph6.8

----------------------------------------------------- ~SWEET SEEDS JACK 47 STRAIN DESCRIPTION~ ----------------------------------------------------- A 3rd generation Autoflowering strain, this hybrid is the result of a cross between an Autoflowering Jack Herer from the Sweet Seeds®️ R&D Department and our elite clone of AK 47. Probably the most potent Autoflowering strain available in the market. This is a very productive Autoflowering plant with abundant, compact and very resinous buds. The aromas and tastes of this strain are sweet, fresh, lemony and with hints of incense. Variety: Sweet Seeds Jack 47 Auto #SWS31 Indica: 20% Sativa: 76.9% Ruderalis: 3.1% THC: 18-21% CBD: 1.1% Indoor Yield: 450-600 g/m² Outdoor Yield: 50-200 g/plant Harvest Indoor / Outdoor: 9 weeks from germination Height: 50-120 cm Effects: Creativity, Psychoactive, Stimulating Taste: Citrus, Lemon, Incense, Cool, Sweet __________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ MY SETUP: ~Planted into Jiffy Peat Pellets that were hydrated with de-chlorinated water with SuperThrive added then ph'd to 6.0 @ 80℉ ~Grown 100% organic in 10g fabric pots with Mother Earth 70/30 Coco/Perlite medium amended with 2tbs/g of Down To Earth 4-4-4 / 2 cups/g of Earthworm Castings / 1tbs/g of Dr. Earth Flower Girl 3-9-4, 1tbs/g of Dr. Earth Bat Guano, 3/4 cup of Down To Earth Azomite and 1 tsp/g Down To Earth Fish Bone Meal. ~24hr light cycle during Germination / 19/5 light cycle for Vegetation and 12/12 for Flower ~Straight water ph'd @ 6.2-6.8 when needed and weekly Compost Tea's. ____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ This was my first time cultivating this strain, also my first introduction to Sweet Seeds and let me tell you I was quite impressed with my first attempt! The Jack47XL Auto was germinated in a Peat Pellet which took seven days for her to break ground. Within two days there were roots popping out of the bottom of the Peat Pellet. After she sprouted it was ON! By week two she had three set of leaves and she went into a 5g fabric pot to live out the remainder of her life. She started out short with tight node spacing and I was thinking she would be a fairly squat plant. But once she started to flower at around Day 30 +/- she absolutely took off on the stretch from hell! As she stretched her node spacing widened allowing plenty of light penetration through her canopy and her foliage never got super bushy requiring removing leaves. All in all she was a growers dream! I let her run for 10 full weeks and after her last Top Dressing at Week Seven she received only straight water that was ph'd to 6.7-6.8. After checking her trichomes daily during Week Ten and determining that she was where I wanted her, I placed her in the dark for 60 hours @ 64℉ and a RH of 45%. When I removed her from the dark I cur her off at her base and hung her whole in my Drying Room where she spent nine days drying @ 64-66℉ with the RH running at 50% for the first 24 hours, then raised to 60% for the remainder of the drying time. Being predominately sativa in her lineage, she grew fairly tall and maxed at 32". In addition to her height her really wide node spacing, which made defoliation or leaf tucking completely unnecessary, was so nice to deal with (or actually to NOT have to deal with!) and because of her structure and the way she grew, I decided not to do any LST other than gently bending a couple of her branches during Week Four when she was still short and bushy. After she was dried I trimmed her up and placed the flowers in two large Mason jars to cure. The flower is currently at 68% RH and I'm 'burping' the jars three times a day until it drops to around 62%. I did do a 'Test Press' with 7g of the flower and saw almost a 28% return of super light colored, almost clear, rosin that is some of the best I've pressed lately! 🔥 When you crack the jars your hit in the face with the sweetest aroma you've ever had the pleasure to smell...smell nothing like cannabis, more like a jar full of sugary sweet candy! 😍 Needless to say, I'm hooked on Sweet Seeds and head over heels for their Jack47XL autoflower and can't wait to run her again soon! Go get some of this strain and see if you don't agree! Thank you so very much for following along on my journey, it's all a labor of love for the plant, and I can't express my gratitude enough for all the positive feedback I receive. Stay Blessed and lifted! 😎🙏

Semana de muito progresso !garotas estao como lokas!estou com.uma delas que esta mais diferentes!me parece que esta com alguma praga!ou deficiência de potássio!falta poucas semanas para eles ficarem belas e mais cheirosas!abraço

Our White Truffle by Zamnesia is a very interesting plant, it has slightly irregular internodes, at least this one I got, there is a bit of a need to invent a different main lining than usual, but both Zamnesia and I love to take a gamble and we are sure to bring home a good result. Remember that we are growing a plant worked with the techniques indicated and one left to grow without pruning to preserve its speed, in the previous/next diary you will find the other plant of the same strain. In this diary we find the plant worked with Main Lining. We topped the second internode and maybe it was a bit too early, or we simply found a plant with slightly irregular internodes and now we are developing according to irregular brunches, I cut some off, I top some and send it to flower shortly. Slow down with nitrogen while doing this technique, you may not need everything that is recommended by the manufacturers, so if the leaves become too dark or worse, the tips of the leaves arch downwards and the leaf becomes "crunchy" we are at the moment to lighten or stop the basic grow fertilizer. . Comparison is the salt of experience, so the plant in the other diary will be worked very differently, go and see it to compare them. We have started the Plagron fertilization program, we are in 100% organic configuration, the soil is recycled Promix + 1/3 fresh soil + 10% Perlite + RQS Mycorrhizae Mix (4 g in the mix, 1 g under the small fiber pot). We are feeding // 1 ml/l Power Roots - 1 ml/l Pure Zym - 1 ml/l Sugar Royal - 2 ml/l Alga Grow We sprayed 3 ml/l Vita Race Foliare once a week. https://plagron.com/it We always have the excellent Mycorrhizae from RQS running in the soil https://www.zamnesia.io/it/5778-mix-micorrize-easy-roots.html Try this strain, it's an autumnal delicacy ---- // https://www.zamnesia.io/it/11184-zamnesia-white-truffle-semi.html Zamnesia Brief Description // The result of crossing GG and Peanut Butter Breath, White Truffle boasts a first-class lineage, taking the best of some of the best American cultivars. And as you would expect, she has a lot to offer: a high THC content, an irresistible flavour and a relaxing, carefree effect. Oh, and let's not forget that she's incredibly easy to grow too! Buy your seeds today and enjoy easy harvests of delicious, USA-grown bud. And as you would expect, she has a lot to offer: a high THC content, an irresistible flavour and a relaxing, carefree effect. Oh, and let's not forget that she's incredibly easy to grow too! Buy your seeds today and enjoy easy harvests of delicious, USA-grown bud. The whole world of growing and more is here at Zamnesia - just take a look around the site and you'll find "the best that nature has to offer" in all shapes and colours. The new strains are amazing and the old ones are no exception... -- // www.zamnesia.com