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Tangerine Dream Auto
Growers Choice Seeds
Growing it
Easy
Resistance
Strong
This is my very 1st harvest. As a beginner, I have abused these plants, any they just continued to grow. Really amazing. I have yet to try the plant. I'm letting it dry and start some curing. I also plan on fermenting some of it as well. I will report back with final weights, flavor, etc. I think they came out great considering I maimed the flowering autoflower mother that I cloned these two from. SInce I have real issues with the odor where I live, I'm going to cure by sweating and then fermenting. Also, the wet weight below is after some drying and with all stems removed. The plant was dried enough where many of the branches actually snapped. So I might have dried too quickly, but I believe this will recover with the sweat.
The Outcome
Week 10
Harvest
What's on the scales?
119.07
gram
ounce
Bud wet weight
Harvested
2
Number of plants harvested
Grow Room
0.74
ft²
Grow Room size
2.69
plant / m²
336.38
watt / m²
Tastes like
Citrus
Earthy
Herbs
Feels like
100% Sativa 0% Indica

Positive effects

Creative
Energetic
Euphoric

Negative effects

Dry mouth
Reviews. Nutrient
The nutrient's from GHE worked great! As a beginner, they were easy. My only warning is with an auroflower, the PPM needs to be much lower than the GHE label indicates. I would recommend 1/4 strength.
Reviews. Lamp
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BucketBrigade BucketBrigade
6 years ago
I learned alot and got really good advice on GrowDiaries. This is a great, positive, encouraging and helpful community. Reading other diaries is a huge learning experience. Also, having this log to look back at for me and others has already proved useful and will continue to do so. A great experience!0
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Grow Questions
BucketBrigade
BucketBrigadestarted grow question 6 years ago
I'd really like some recommendations on pruning or thinning out these two cloned Tangerine Dream Autos. I read a lot that states I should leave them alone, but these two look very chaotic!
Solved
Techniques. Defoliation
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MUDBUG
MUDBUGanswered grow question 6 years ago
I would just trim her up very lightly here and there i would not stress her anymore i would add b52 so them buds fatten up and taking sum of the stress off her start defol the bottom a lil here a lil there i wouldnt cut but 3 4 leaves a day nice work✌️✌️👍👍
BucketBrigade
BucketBrigadestarted grow question 6 years ago
Have a look at my leaves that have turned yellow and red. I've search online and can't seem to find a similar picture. Is this normal due to late flowering in some plants? Is this a nute problem? If I add the needed nutes, will this clear up? What's going on?
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Leaves. Color - Red or pink
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Stick
Stickanswered grow question 6 years ago
Hi @BucketBrigade! I won't worry too much at this stage, your plant is ending its lifecycle, she's consuming every nutrients she can, and most of them come from the leaves. This is called "senescence", and its basically the process of deterioration with age. I hope you've been flushing for the last days, because I see many cloudy trichomes, meaning she's getting ready and harvest should happen in a few days. Depending on the effects you want, you need to get 80-100% of milky trichomes for an energetic high (more THC), or 15-30% of amber trichomes for a couch-locking high (more CBN/CBD). So in this situation I'd stop the nutrients, flush for at least a week with plain pH'd water, then enjoy the harvest 😎Hope this will help, keep us up-to-date and good luck for the last days 👊
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RussianGrower
RussianGrowercommentedweek 17 years ago
It is interesting to observe this experience. But as far as I know, clones have the same stage of development as the parent plant. It makes sense to clone auto flowers in the very early stages of vegetation, if you do it on the flowering period, the small auto flowers all exactly bloom and get micro-growing with micro-harvesting. But again it is in theory! As will be in practice, you can see for yourself. There is a possibility that the plant will become a hermaphrodite from overdose and stress, but it depends on the predisposition of genetics. For cloning autoflowers suitable strains sativa with a long stage of vegetation and if you try to clone a very young plant, so he had time to recover at the stage of vegetation, it is possible you will succeed and you will identify a full auto-flowering clone, a long time ago I heard from friends about such a successful experiment. To do this, you need to comply with the accuracy of the calculations of the stage of life of plants and do everything with surgical precision
BucketBrigade
BucketBrigadecommented7 years ago
@RussianGrower, It looks like you are right. These do seem to be be flower mode. I'm anxious to see what these grow into.
BucketBrigade
BucketBrigadecommentedweek 76 years ago
@Flavoursuk, @PussyWagon6969, @Coopman, @Squirrel_Master, @Dunk_Junk, @Lou_Grows, @iDontEvenGrow, Hello everyone. Have a look at the photos. I have some closeups of the tricomes. Are they clear? Milky? When do you think they are ready for harvest?
PussyWagon6969
PussyWagon6969commented6 years ago
@BucketBrigade, trust me (see my week 11 of Tangerine Dream), the wait is soooo worth it. I harvested my primo cola way to early because I thought it was done and it shriveled into some pretty low quality stuff. I probably dried way to fast but still... the buds I harvested 2.5 weeks later are sooo much better. Also, the one month cure is also well worth the wait. The smells that develop are insane....
BucketBrigade
BucketBrigadecommented6 years ago
@PussyWagon6969, I'm going to upload some better photos in another day or so. The waiting is killing me! Thanks for the link!
BucketBrigade
BucketBrigadecommented6 years ago
@Flavoursuk, Good point. I'll improve the lighting and try again.
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BucketBrigade
BucketBrigadecommentedweek 17 years ago
@Flavoursuk, @PussyWagon6969, @Coopman, @Squirrel_Master, @Dunk_Junk, @Lou_Grows, @iDontEvenGrow, Have a look. Cloned from a flowering autoflower. They do seem to be growing a little differently than straight from seed. No flowers are growing yet, but those are odd bunches of leaves. I already have a little nute burn. I just watered the solution down to try and take care of that. But, they seem to be doing ok otherwise. What do you think about those small bunches of leaves on both plants?
BucketBrigade
BucketBrigadecommented7 years ago
@Lou_Grows, Yes, she was flowering when I cut the clones. She was about 2 to 3 weeks into flowering.
BucketBrigade
BucketBrigadecommented7 years ago
@Dunk_Junk, I am as well!
Lou_Grows
Lou_Growscommented7 years ago
@BucketBrigade, was the mother flowering when you cut it?
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Thegermling509
Thegermling509commentedweek 106 years ago
Well thanks to your experimenting I now know that cloning a flowering auto does work. There is an evident loss in quantity but it does seem to work. Please update us with a smoke report. Also, do you mind posting photos of the root system? Thanks for your contribution to the community!!!
BucketBrigade
BucketBrigadecommented6 years ago
@Thegermling509, Have a look. I posted several photos. I tried to keep these plants small. If you have a look at my previous diary, you will see the parent they were cloned from. She was a monster plant and I needed these to be much smaller. These were actually cloned and grown in 2 inch grow cups to help limit their growth. Next time, I'll use agressive training. Also, these were dried agressively (beginners mistake) for a day before posting the wet harvest weight. The branches already started to snap. I expect the sweat/fermentation will help these cure properly.
Dunk_Junk
Dunk_Junkcommentedweek 86 years ago
She's not far away now! Great work documenting this. One request if I may? I'd like to see a wide shot of her so I can see how tall she is. 👌
BucketBrigade
BucketBrigadecommented6 years ago
@Dunk_Junk, Absolutely, have a look. Apologies for the lighting. For my next grow I'm considering adding additional lighting to the tent just for better photography. Also, there are actually 2 clones from the same auto flowering parent that I have been posting photos from. The taller ended up looking like a barely trained plant with one cola higher than all the others, This one has put most of her energy into the tallest cola. The second plant I managed to train just slightly better. She seems to have applied more energy across multiple colas. They are substiantially fatter than the 1st plant. And overall, very few green leaves left.
OutForReal
OutForRealcommentedweek 86 years ago
Hello ! I can see on your pics that's your trichomes are Clear & cloudy , I would say 50%/50% so your harvest will come soon ! The yellowing phenomenon at the end of flowering is the senescence , in your case maybe an early senescence ! An early senescence is mostly cause by under feeding your plants , I can see than you'r using the same amont of Grow / Micro & Bloom : at that stage you should not , the feeding chart says 3ml Grow 6ml Micro 9ml Bloom for 10L of water but you'r giving them 6ml of each so the nutient "balance" is not good ! If you correct it everything will be fine , but I really likes thoses colours 😍 ! Holp it will help you 👍
DudeGrowsWeed
DudeGrowsWeedcommentedweek 86 years ago
It is because you are getting close to harvest. It’s normal for the leaves to start changing colors near the end. Similar to trees in autumn. Happy harvesting! 👍
StonedWolf
StonedWolfcommentedweek 16 years ago
I love experiments like this! Thanks for giving evidence, one way or the other, to something "everyone knows" Good luck and I am excited to see the outcome of this!
Dunk_Junk
Dunk_Junkcommentedweek 76 years ago
Stunning pictures this week (7) what are you using? 👍
Dunk_Junk
Dunk_Junkcommented6 years ago
@BucketBrigade, Thank you Sir!
BucketBrigade
BucketBrigadecommented6 years ago
@Dunk_Junk, Sent the info via chat
BucketBrigade
BucketBrigadecommented6 years ago
@Dunk_Junk, I'll send the info shortly. The macro lens is tricky to focus. It has a very narrow depth of field. If the surface is not flat and you are close to the subject, parts will always be out of focus. Basically you get the choose which part you want in focus, but not all of it. They are great for portraits with blury backgrounds.
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PussyWagon6969
PussyWagon6969commentedweek 106 years ago
Nice work dude! Just an FYI, I tried drying a sample bud next to my light (like yours) while it was running and it dried WAAAAAYYY too fast. My little branches ended up snapping within 48 hrs.... My real harvest I was able to dry for 4 days total before little branches were starting to snap and that bud turned out to be really fragrant (compared to the fast drying sample). Learn from my mistake, the slow dry mixed with a nice month long cure really does make a difference!😀
PussyWagon6969
PussyWagon6969commented6 years ago
@BucketBrigade, yeah mine was a bit stinky out of the tent... though the smell seemed to subside a little bit after a few days but it’s possible I was used to it. Maybe try using the brown paper bag method? Inside the tent that might help protect it from over drying or using outside of the tent might help conceal the smell... sorry I feel like this is going beyond my scope of experience
BucketBrigade
BucketBrigadecommented6 years ago
@PussyWagon6969, Thanks for that information. I had no idea! Does it smell as they dry out of the tent? I placed them in the tent to deal with the odor that I appreciate but no one else does.
PussyWagon6969
PussyWagon6969commentedweek 86 years ago
Lookin great, can't wait to see the final yield off of a cloned Auto!!
BucketBrigade
BucketBrigadecommented6 years ago
@PussyWagon6969, You and me both!
VT420
VT420commentedweek 56 years ago
I took a lower branch from my TD that had one or two hairs on a very tiny bud and cloned it. It hasn't grown taller but the bud is growing well.
BucketBrigade
BucketBrigadecommented6 years ago
@VT420, That's cool. It's essentially what I did. However, I trimmed the tiny bud/cola that was developing thinking I could force it into a veg mode. The plant acted just as if I had topped it normally. Both cuttings did and they are the ones growing in the photos.
Dunk_Junk
Dunk_Junkcommentedweek 46 years ago
They are doing far better than they have any right too! Amazing progress. Looks like it is a success right now!
BucketBrigade
BucketBrigadecommented6 years ago
@Dunk_Junk, It does seem like it. But it might be too early. I won't call it a success unless I get a reasonable harvest. It will be some time still until that happens.
Stick
Stickcommentedweek 86 years ago
Hi @BucketBrigade! I won't worry too much at this stage, your plant is ending its lifecycle, she's consuming every nutrients she can, and most of them come from the leaves. This is called "senescence", and its basically the process of deterioration with age. I hope you've been flushing for the last days, because I see many cloudy trichomes, meaning she's getting ready and harvest should happen in a few days. Depending on the effects you want, you need to get 80-100% of milky trichomes for an energetic high (more THC), or 15-30% of amber trichomes for a couch-locking high (more CBN/CBD). So in this situation I'd stop the nutrients, flush for at least a week with plain pH'd water, then enjoy the harvest 😎Hope this will help, keep us up-to-date and good luck for the last days 👊
Lou_Grows
Lou_Growscommentedweek 76 years ago
I think you still have a week or two to go brother
PussyWagon6969
PussyWagon6969commentedweek 56 years ago
Still killin it Bucket! Love watching this grow develop =D
PussyWagon6969
PussyWagon6969commentedweek 46 years ago
Wow! What a trip... I thought for sure this was going to be a super stunted plant but its size is legit. Cool to see the growth mutations on those leaves!
Dunk_Junk
Dunk_Junkcommentedweek 36 years ago
Just have to say this is an awesome insight into cloning autoflowers.
Dunk_Junk
Dunk_Junkcommentedweek 26 years ago
Wow she is a weird looking thing! But she is growing! Still interesting stuff!!!!
Socrat63s
Socrat63scommentedweek 104 years ago
Awesome post, been wondering for a long time if you could clone autos successfully. Felt like a pos for mistakenly topping my AK auto while doing LST, so maybe i can salvage the clone... Thanks for the info . 😎