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ProfessorSkiSlopes ProfessorSkiSlopes
6 years ago
Day 36 - The plants are wilting from the top down a few hours before night cycle, and throughout the night cycle and a few hours into the day cycle (as they struggle back to what is a mostly healthy demeanour) . They are not just doing the slight nightly droop. Looking back I can see its been happening since around day 27, and I initially thought it was a watering issue, that didn't fix it. I thought it was a night air circulation/ventilation issue so I tried turning the fan off and on, and the ventilation on/off - no fix yet. So I'm looking at it possibly being too much light still, or a PH issue. Today I lowered the light wattage to 200w. This seems very low, but I'm willing to give it a try. The plants are due for a watering today or tomorrow so I'll also consider watering half the plants with a higher end PH feed (6.5ish), and the other half with a lower PH range feed (5.5ish) and see if they show improvement in either half, unless the light reduction seems to be showing positive results. I am hoping my decision to stratify the air-rocks with a higher concentration of air rocks in the lower half of the pot, slightly less in the next layer, and then just straight coco in the top layer of the pot hasn't introduced some wierd PH imbalance/oddness in the medium. Day 37 - I flushed two of the plants with PHed tap water just after lights out on the last dark cycle to see if this helped the wilt. It didn't seem to do much. I've built a frame for the lights that spreads the four boards apart light the original HLG-550, this will give a much nicer light distribution. I've also researched the wilt issue, and I get the sense the plants are hitting the wall of their limit for photosynthesis abilities each day and are shutting down. However the underlying cause for this is still unclear. I'm tempted to try distilling some water and checking the PH of some samples of the coco. Its time to water the plants, the coco is pretty dry going by pot weight. I'm not sure if I should switch to flowering nutrient regime, or stick with one more of the veg feed so I can isolate my changes and be able to see if the light cycle/spread changes fixed the issue. I will get photos of the wilting and hopefully someone else can weigh in if I can't find the solution myself, It's a bit heartbreaking after all the time refining this setup. To be clear the issue is dramatic top down wilting around 2-3 hours before lights out to slightly varying degrees across all simultaneously, lasting all night and not coming right till an hour or two into the next light cycle. Adjusting circulation/ventilation/light saturation has not mitigated it in any real way. Research suggests shortening the light cycle by 1-2 hours from 18 to 16-17 might alleviate the issue. As mentioned the lights have been spread to give better distribution, and they are now running at 240w at a height of 80cm. Ventilation and circulation are 24/7. I have checked other grower diaries and see several good harvests where growers were up to full strength nutrients at week 6, so I've decided I'm going to try a higher strength feed today and see how that affects the wilt. I've had the plants on 1/2 strength or less until now as my focus has been on not over-feeding or over-watering, however given they are at week 6, I may have gone to far in the other direction. It's 5 hours into the light cycle. I am about to give the plants a 3/4 strength feed (+3/4 strength additives) and if the wilt continues unabated, I'll try reducing the light cycle by 1/2-1 hours per cycle incrementally and see how that goes. I am starting another diary, using an identical 4x4 QB Coco/Airpot setup, with 9 Fastbuds Zkittles. The difference with the second tent is that I've used a straight 30/70 perlite/coco mix over a base of clay balls and not the stratified air-rocks. I will be interested to see how it goes in comparison to this endeavour. DAY 38 - After giving them the increased strength feed I casually checked the PPM of the run off and fuck-me-blind if they weren't reading an insane 2000+ PPM across all the plants, except the two which I'd flushed which were reading just over 1000 PPM each. I've never given them more than 1/2 strength nutrients, but looking back I can see now that I wasn't watering to enough run-off at all my waterings. Having to water 8 plants with 11.4 litre airpots, using two 10 litre mixing containers left me a bit short to get the amount needed to get a good full run-off and I guess I skipped the extra hassle of making more nutrient ,too many times, and it led to plain old simple nutrient build-up and lock-out and wilting. I've now flushed each plant with PHed tap water with around 12 litres per pot and the PPM readings of the run-off have dropped to around 450-650 over all the plants. It's now 3.30am and I'm buggered and done for the night. Flushing 8 plants simultaneously has required the co-opting of the shower, the bath-tub, the kitchen and laundry sinks and the filling and PHing of around 90 litres of water using a new 23 litre container (with tap) which although far more efficient than previous watering has been a 4-5 hour job. So all the messing around with light intensity, and air ventilation and circulation has been a bit of a needless (yet not unproductive learning exercise) dance. At this stage I'm fairly certain the wilting was all from improper watering habits - A mistake I shall not repeat with this tent or the new Zkittles tent. Live and Learn I guess. I only hope this last few weeks of wilting has not had a massive impact on the total final yield, and this flushing and improvement in watering practice will see the plants still have time in their finite autoflower lives to build on some structure to support a fair yield. This entire endeavour is much harder than simply assembling the "best" components, growing cannabis certainly is a skill that needs practical experience and a reasonable level of attentive common-sensed focus, it would appear. DAY 39 - The plants have suddenly started growing again, going back to the tent at the start of the light cycle today revealed a startling increase in height and overall health of the plants. I've held of any further flushing or feeding to see how they go over the next day before I take anymore steps, however after the last 11 days of "fear and wilting" I can't say how satisfying and relieving it has been to find the actual cause and to have implemented a remedy. After all the (8hrs+) of research into the wilting issue, I have to say, not one single source mentioned testing run-off PPM or salt build-up as a potential cause. I'm glad I didn't just go for a light reduction, which may have mitigated the wilting without addressing the underlying cause and would have allowed me to travel further down that path of destruction, possibly even to fatal catastrophe. Day 40 - Noticed some slight wilting on most of the plants near the end of the last light cycle, with a couple showing wilting still half way into the dark cycle, so I am giving the plants another 3+ Litre flush with PH water just after lights on (aiming to take runoff PPM down to the same as the flush water PPM). This will be followed by a 3/4 strength feed. Hopefully this will see the end of the salt build-up saga and a return to normal growth. In the meantime I will go create my Zkittles diary for my second tent, and upload the setup photos taken so far. They required one more flush to get the PPM down to the level of the in-going PH'ed water. I then feed thgem as per previous paragraph. The photos from Day 40 show them as they looked just after all this. Wow what a learning curve the last few weeks have been. I feel foolish for allowing the situation to happen, and looking back at my diary I can see I made many assumptions about the ever-increasing signs of nutrient build-up and thusly carried on quite blindly allowing it to happen. All this said I can't help but be quite pleased with ultimately finding the cause, and then successful remedying it. Most importantly I feel like the whole experience really gave me a much more tacit understanding of some the complex dynamics involved in the tent environment, and that should anything else arise I now have a much better handle on how to isolate and identify any future imbalances in my growing systems. In other words, I am making mistakes, but I am also learning from them. I have also found my details (almost OCD) note taking in this diary have been invaluable in assessing and reviewing the problem. Day 41 - Hooray the plants are all growing again, and showing signs of new growth on all tips. The flush has brought the pots back to normality. Hopefully they will boom off from here on out.
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Grow Questions
ProfessorSkiSlopes
ProfessorSkiSlopesstarted grow question 6 years ago
Hi there, does anyone have any idea what the slight mottling is on the leaves of two of my plants. There are close-up pictures under Day 27 in Week 4. The discolouration is present across multiple leaves, but seems to only be happening to two plants out of 8. Thanks!
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skybound
skyboundanswered grow question 6 years ago
I suspect the mottling is a combo deficiency between Ca and K, though I'd go so far as to say that both look minor so maybe not try to fix either. If you're using nutrient salts you can isolate a specific element to tweak, but most nute brands have multiple things mixed in the bottles so if you tweak any thing, you end up tweaking several things which will cause other problems. If interested, I made a tutorial for using Hydro Buddy to reverse engineer your nutrients, then you would be able to play around with tweaking the nutes in theory before actually changing anything in practice. https://www.420magazine.com/community/threads/making-your-own-nutrient-concentrates.455187/
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Fast_Buds
Fast_Budscommentedweek 16 years ago
What a great looking diary so far! Thanks for growing faster with us, let us know if you need anything ๐Ÿ’š
Fast_Buds
Fast_Budscommented6 years ago
@ProfessorSkiSlopes, I'm sure you can! Our genetics are in good hands=)
ProfessorSkiSlopes
ProfessorSkiSlopescommented6 years ago
Thank you @Fast_Buds! I hope I can do your fine genetics justice.
ProfessorSkiSlopes
ProfessorSkiSlopescommentedweek 135 years ago
Come over tomorrow hehehe I'll roll a few fatties for you, and even make you a coffee *grin*
Puffer_Bill
Puffer_Billcommentedweek 96 years ago
Looking very buddy in your camp.๐Ÿ‘Š๐Ÿผ๐Ÿ˜Ž๐Ÿ‘Š๐Ÿผ
Puffer_Bill
Puffer_Billcommented6 years ago
@ProfessorSkiSlopes, Definitely an exciting time now. ๐Ÿ‘Š๐Ÿผ๐Ÿ˜Ž๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ
ProfessorSkiSlopes
ProfessorSkiSlopescommented6 years ago
@Puffer_Bill, Thank you! It really is starting to look great now when I open the tent. It's amazing how fast the plants go into flower and suddenly there are buds everywhere! The next 3 or so weeks are going to be really fun to watch them thicken out!
ivik80
ivik80commentedweek 86 years ago
Looking good mate! Glad to see you have dialed in the MG issues, good idea to take the ph up a bit so MG will be taken care of easier. I always have different PH on each feeding just to be sure all nutes will be taken up during a 1 week period at least. I try to keep it around 6.5 but I play around that. Once perhaps 6.3, next 6.5, then 6,7 and then back to 6.3 or 6.5 and so on... I try to at least never feed same ph after each other.
ivik80
ivik80commented6 years ago
@ProfessorSkiSlopes, No idea, I use organics so I cannot even look at PPM or EC. I never heard of anyone being able to do that but it seems like something really good if it is possible?
ProfessorSkiSlopes
ProfessorSkiSlopescommented6 years ago
@ivik80, That's a great idea. I've decided to the same myself, and will look to bounce the PH between 6.0 and 6.5 over each week, and then drop in a 5.8 or 6.7 a couple times a month.. I'll fine tune it as I go. I was aiming for 6.1 on every watering, and I think it was causing some issues with micronutrient uptake. It would be great to be able to get the run-off analysed and be able to see exactly how much of each nutrient they are consuming... I wonder if there are any test-kits or similar out there to do this.. hmmm.
Fast_Buds
Fast_Budscommentedweek 76 years ago
Hey there! You're babies are looking just fine. Great work, I'm sure you are learning a lot with this hehe. Trial and error is always the best way to gain knowledge. Well done. I'm sure things will be a bit easier from here on out ๐Ÿ™Œ๐Ÿผ
Fast_Buds
Fast_Budscommented6 years ago
@ProfessorSkiSlopes, No problem!! We're here if you need anything๐Ÿ™Œ๐Ÿผ
ProfessorSkiSlopes
ProfessorSkiSlopescommented6 years ago
@Fast_Buds, Cheers guys. The plants have come along way on the road to recovery in the last 3 days since I asked for your help.. So cross-fingers the grow is a easier from here on out, and that my mistakes so far will still allow for a reasonable yield. The Gorilla Glue certainly can take a hard life and bounce back that's for sure. Thank you for taking the time to check this diary for me.
Puffer_Bill
Puffer_Billcommentedweek 66 years ago
Yours are looking good. ๐Ÿ˜Ž๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ ( not sure about the leaf droop ) My first grow was GG4. It was quite resilient. From 4 plants I got over 16oz. Not including the buds I nibbled along the way. I over vegged them so ended up super cropping bending breaking etc... they took all the stress I gave them.
ProfessorSkiSlopes
ProfessorSkiSlopescommented6 years ago
@Puffer_Bill, Cheers for the comment :) The plants have been looking great until this wilt thing. I've built a frame for the quantum boards that spreads them apart using the same dimensions as the original HLG-550 which should give better light distribution, and I'm going to try dropping an hour or so from the light cycle to try and mitigate the wilt. being autoflowers these guys have limited time to be at their optimum, and this wilt during the last 2-3 hours of the light cycle feels like it must be affecting end yield. I guess we will see!
ivik80
ivik80commentedweek 135 years ago
Nice harvest mate! So when should I come over and try out the new smoke? :D
ivik80
ivik80commentedweek 56 years ago
Hi Why do you want such a high leaf temp?
vito_f
vito_fcommented6 years ago
@ivik80, yes, check arduino or better yet get a nodemcu v2 and look at the blynk library and free iphone ios app. nodemcu is a very very small arduino-clone with builtin wifi (it costs about 2-5 โ‚ฌ/$). there are other multipurpose arduinos (clones) with wifi. blynk is a framework you can easily add to your sketch. blynk /arduino then connects to either a free cloud server hosted with them or (as i did, as a docker container in parallel to an openvpn server on a NAS) you can run it locally on a small server, so everything stays private. What is nice, the server feeds your arduino the current time now, also it can collect all kind of sensor data in your growroom. You can then build a dashboard app, all kinds of graphs easily in a matter of minutes and program your own light scheduler. it is amazingly awesome. ALso cool: once everything is installed you can update your sketches via wifi, feed videos or webcam shots of your growroom into the app, override the light status in your app, emergency heat shut down, push notifications, all kind of stuff. its nerdy AF, but also a very fun tech project if you're savvy. you can even let the units talk to each other, which i have not tried, build individual humidity/temp-nodes per tent or pot. adding or simulating a potentiometer would be a step depending on your tech setup then.
ivik80
ivik80commented6 years ago
@ProfessorSkiSlopes, Ah man that sounds really nice, seems to be a lot of different fun stuff one could do with it. Like the weight of pot idea for watering! Ok then, I'll wait for you to make it all work and then you can show me what to buy and send over some scripts :) I'll copy/paste whatever u get going :D
ProfessorSkiSlopes
ProfessorSkiSlopescommented6 years ago
@ivik80, It really is! I did a quick scan and there are already a couple of sunset/sunrise sketches out there, but the more I think about it, the more I think this is definitely a worthwhile project to investigate. Everything could be controlled from the potentiometer interface, and it would just need some sort of clock shield for the arduino, and it could manage the intensity of the light 24/7 - it would be good to have an LCD shield as well so it could display things like the time, and the intensity, so it could be spot checked in the tent. Having it do datalogging back to a PC or SD card would be good as well. Then the next step would be to interface it with the ventilation and circulation fans, and any cooling/heating equipment, along with any humidifying/dehumidifying gear. One could even implement moisture meters in all the pots, or even pressure sensors under the pots to watch weight, and it could then alert when watering/feeding was needed/optimal.. its all a very exciting field for future improvements to indoor operations that's for sure! - The great thing is that there is already a lot of work out there in this direction with Arduino, so its not even like it would have to be done from scratch. I look forward to investigating it once I have a few more harvests under my belt, and I have the practical experience to implement something more advanced than manual/thermostat/humidistat control.
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Cheezy
Cheezycommentedweek 135 years ago
What a beautiful harvest! Congrats!
Cheezy
Cheezycommented5 years ago
@ProfessorSkiSlopes, there is so much to be learnt by the experience of growing! There's already so much I would do different next time and I'm not even half way through my first grow :P I'm looking forward to seeing how what you've learned benefits you in your next grow!
ProfessorSkiSlopes
ProfessorSkiSlopescommented5 years ago
@Cheezy, Thank you very much! :) I really enjoyed growing these plants even though I made a bunch of mistakes, I learnt heaps from doing it, and it was a brilliant smoke (a bit to much sativa for me but still great).
smoking_hills9
smoking_hills9commentedweek 135 years ago
Wow๐Ÿ˜ฒ Amazing results. ๐Ÿ‘
ProfessorSkiSlopes
ProfessorSkiSlopescommented5 years ago
@smoking_hills9, Thank you very much! I'm pretty sure I could get the yield up by another 30% with a more experienced grow. This grow was my first and had a few catastrophes. I've learnt a bit from this and subsequent grows, and I have another 10 Gorilla Glue seeds that I will be using to test my hypothesis after I get another 2 or 3 grows under my belt.
ivik80
ivik80commentedweek 106 years ago
Another great week I see, they are looking really good mate! Not many weeks left I guess :)
ProfessorSkiSlopes
ProfessorSkiSlopescommented6 years ago
@ivik80, Thank you :) Yep should only be 3 weeks or so to go now.. I'm really looking forward to seeing all the buds frost up!! I'm crossing my fingers for a 16oz harvest, but I'm estimating anywhere from 12-18 at this stage.. but I guess we will see... hopefully I can still break the 1g/w level with this (anything but perfect) grow!
GreenHouseLab
GreenHouseLabcommentedweek 106 years ago
GG always produces monster colas!!! It's evident here...
ProfessorSkiSlopes
ProfessorSkiSlopescommented6 years ago
@GreenHouseLab, It certainly does! I can see where is gets the name Gorilla... the shape of the plant almost looks like a gorilla with its arms up and flexed.. Can't wait to see these buds as they sticky up!
ivik80
ivik80commentedweek 56 years ago
Btw, I wrote a PM/chat to you earlier about the lights, did u see it?
ProfessorSkiSlopes
ProfessorSkiSlopescommented6 years ago
@ivik80, Do you mean the comment on the VPD? Where do look for private messages?
Wilson_McNugget
Wilson_McNuggetcommentedweek 135 years ago
Nice grow Ski Slopes...I was taking a look at some of the winning diaries for newbie of the month...looks like you had a pretty nice result....
Auto_GrowZ
Auto_GrowZcommentedweek 96 years ago
Hey. Just curious.. at week 9 do you still have the hlg Qb's dimmed down to 50% ?
ProfessorSkiSlopes
ProfessorSkiSlopescommentedweek 96 years ago
Hi there. The lights are at full 480w now, I started transitioning them around week 3-4 and increased them to full over a period of around 4 weeks. Sorry I didn't make specific notes of when I increased the lights, and this grow had several issues which caused me to slow down the light increase, but if you check my new diary Zkittles, I'm just beginning the increase from 240w at week 3 and I will be taking more detailed notes of exactly when I increase the intensity. Basically the aim is to slowly increase it as the mass of plant material increases and as they increase in height so that they are always getting basically as muc as they can handle without stressing... I'm still working out exactly when to do it, and will be letting the plants guide me.