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ProfessorSkiSlopes ProfessorSkiSlopes
5 years ago
WEEK 8 Day 50 - The plants got dry quicker than normal. I forgot to compensate for the new dehumidifier in the grow-room. When I checked today a test pots was only 5.02kg in weight. They were watered with 3.3L each of 75% strength nutrient, with a double strength CalMag additive. The PPM was 950, the PH was 6.9 and the runoff across all the pots was 550-650 ppm. The water was 24c. I noticed what I believe is calcium and magnesium deficiency across the plants, so I did the same strength feed as 3 days ago, but this time increased the CalMag to the maximum manufacturer recommended dose of 1ML/L (I was using max 0.375ml) prior to this. This additive has 2% Mag and 6% Cal. I also bumped the PH up to 6.9 to ensure maximum magnesium absorption. Up until now all my feeds have been between 5.9 and 6.2, and I read the Mag really needs 6.4 and above. If this fixes things then I might start varying the PH of my feeds to ensure the plants get all the micronutrients. I might also start foliar sprays of Cal/Mag. After watering the test pot weighing in at 7.7kg so it took on 2.7kg of weight approx. The fans seem to be working well. I rearranged them to both be on back poles, and for their oscillation to follow that of a pair of windscreen wipers, this ensures all of the plants get direct air movement and circulation. The Dehumidifier is obviously working, and really helping the plants get larger amounts of water/nutirent. The wilt issue is still noticeable but has generally been decreasing since the nutrient build-up/flush events. So I put the wilt down to simply being stressed plants taking time to recover. Overall the growth rates have accelerated massively, and the leaf colours have continued to deepen and the wilt has continued to lessen, and is really only showing during the light cycle on one plant now. I hope this higher PH, higher magnesium/calcium feed will go some way to accelerating their recovery as well. The bud sites continue to thicken up and the plants are looking better every day. I am very happy with the current environment, and the progress of the plants since their difficulties. I also defoliated today, I removed enough fan leaves from each plant to allow the stem and branches of each plant to be seen, so I aimed mainly at any leaves growing inward, and any fan leaves that showed bud that was below it. This has opened up all the limbs to more light and more air circulation. I expect a 3 day watering cycle from here on in, so next watering day will likely be day 15. I might move to 100% strength for that feed if they don't show any overfeeding signs before then. The next feed will likely be at PH 6.5 to allow magnesium absorption. After that I think I might alternate PH 6.1 and PH 6.5 feeds if not implement regular foliar cal/mag feeds. Day 51 - The plants seem to have responded really well to the CalMag Boost and higher PH feed. They haven't shown any further wilting since then, and they seem to all be deepening in colour and their leaves are all standing out without the limp bend I've become so familiar with. I defoliated the remaining plants today, and all the bud sites are now visible and getting light. I am very happy with the current state of the tent and the recovery/progress of the plants now. They seem to be doing well. The humidity is fairly constant during the light cycle at 60-65% and the air temp is hovering around 25-27c and I'm happy with both of these metrics. Day 52 - Plants continue to deepen in their green colour and have shown almost no wilting since the last feed. I'm really happy with the condition improvement. Day 53 - Fed the plants with another 75% strength feed (except CMX at 100%). Started adding silica supplement. Solution details: PH: 6.3 PPM: 1050 Temp: 24c. Run off PPM: 650-800. Volume per plant: 3.5L Run off per plant: 750ml. The PPM of the run off has been increasing by around 200ppm per feed since the plants were flushed. So it seems they aren't consuming all that they are being given. To avoid a build-up and lock-out I will feed at 50% on the next watering. Day 54 - The plants continue to move into flowering and deepen in their colour. They have shown almost no wilting this week. Day 55 - The plants continue to thicken their flowers and to grow more foliage. They are probably due for another light defoliation any day now. There is a definite sweet smell to the tent now. Day 56 - The plants continue to grow well. They could do with a watering today, but I don't have time so it will happen tomorrow right after lights on.
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ProfessorSkiSlopes
ProfessorSkiSlopesstarted grow question 5 years ago
Hi there, does anyone have any idea what the slight mottling is on the leaves of two of my plants. There are close-up pictures under Day 27 in Week 4. The discolouration is present across multiple leaves, but seems to only be happening to two plants out of 8. Thanks!
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skyboundanswered grow question 5 years ago
I suspect the mottling is a combo deficiency between Ca and K, though I'd go so far as to say that both look minor so maybe not try to fix either. If you're using nutrient salts you can isolate a specific element to tweak, but most nute brands have multiple things mixed in the bottles so if you tweak any thing, you end up tweaking several things which will cause other problems. If interested, I made a tutorial for using Hydro Buddy to reverse engineer your nutrients, then you would be able to play around with tweaking the nutes in theory before actually changing anything in practice. https://www.420magazine.com/community/threads/making-your-own-nutrient-concentrates.455187/
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Fast_Buds
Fast_Budsweek 1
What a great looking diary so far! Thanks for growing faster with us, let us know if you need anything πŸ’š
Fast_Buds
Fast_Buds
@ProfessorSkiSlopes, I'm sure you can! Our genetics are in good hands=)
ProfessorSkiSlopes
ProfessorSkiSlopes
Thank you @Fast_Buds! I hope I can do your fine genetics justice.
ProfessorSkiSlopes
ProfessorSkiSlopesweek 13
Come over tomorrow hehehe I'll roll a few fatties for you, and even make you a coffee *grin*
Puffer_Bill
Puffer_Billweek 9
Looking very buddy in your camp.πŸ‘ŠπŸΌπŸ˜ŽπŸ‘ŠπŸΌ
Puffer_Bill
Puffer_Bill
@ProfessorSkiSlopes, Definitely an exciting time now. πŸ‘ŠπŸΌπŸ˜ŽπŸ‘πŸΌ
ProfessorSkiSlopes
ProfessorSkiSlopes
@Puffer_Bill, Thank you! It really is starting to look great now when I open the tent. It's amazing how fast the plants go into flower and suddenly there are buds everywhere! The next 3 or so weeks are going to be really fun to watch them thicken out!
ivik80
ivik80week 8
Looking good mate! Glad to see you have dialed in the MG issues, good idea to take the ph up a bit so MG will be taken care of easier. I always have different PH on each feeding just to be sure all nutes will be taken up during a 1 week period at least. I try to keep it around 6.5 but I play around that. Once perhaps 6.3, next 6.5, then 6,7 and then back to 6.3 or 6.5 and so on... I try to at least never feed same ph after each other.
ivik80
ivik80
@ProfessorSkiSlopes, No idea, I use organics so I cannot even look at PPM or EC. I never heard of anyone being able to do that but it seems like something really good if it is possible?
ProfessorSkiSlopes
ProfessorSkiSlopes
@ivik80, That's a great idea. I've decided to the same myself, and will look to bounce the PH between 6.0 and 6.5 over each week, and then drop in a 5.8 or 6.7 a couple times a month.. I'll fine tune it as I go. I was aiming for 6.1 on every watering, and I think it was causing some issues with micronutrient uptake. It would be great to be able to get the run-off analysed and be able to see exactly how much of each nutrient they are consuming... I wonder if there are any test-kits or similar out there to do this.. hmmm.
Fast_Buds
Fast_Budsweek 7
Hey there! You're babies are looking just fine. Great work, I'm sure you are learning a lot with this hehe. Trial and error is always the best way to gain knowledge. Well done. I'm sure things will be a bit easier from here on out πŸ™ŒπŸΌ
Fast_Buds
Fast_Buds
@ProfessorSkiSlopes, No problem!! We're here if you need anythingπŸ™ŒπŸΌ
ProfessorSkiSlopes
ProfessorSkiSlopes
@Fast_Buds, Cheers guys. The plants have come along way on the road to recovery in the last 3 days since I asked for your help.. So cross-fingers the grow is a easier from here on out, and that my mistakes so far will still allow for a reasonable yield. The Gorilla Glue certainly can take a hard life and bounce back that's for sure. Thank you for taking the time to check this diary for me.
Puffer_Bill
Puffer_Billweek 6
Yours are looking good. πŸ˜ŽπŸ‘πŸΌ ( not sure about the leaf droop ) My first grow was GG4. It was quite resilient. From 4 plants I got over 16oz. Not including the buds I nibbled along the way. I over vegged them so ended up super cropping bending breaking etc... they took all the stress I gave them.
ProfessorSkiSlopes
ProfessorSkiSlopes
@Puffer_Bill, Cheers for the comment :) The plants have been looking great until this wilt thing. I've built a frame for the quantum boards that spreads them apart using the same dimensions as the original HLG-550 which should give better light distribution, and I'm going to try dropping an hour or so from the light cycle to try and mitigate the wilt. being autoflowers these guys have limited time to be at their optimum, and this wilt during the last 2-3 hours of the light cycle feels like it must be affecting end yield. I guess we will see!
ivik80
ivik80week 13
Nice harvest mate! So when should I come over and try out the new smoke? :D
ivik80
ivik80week 5
Hi Why do you want such a high leaf temp?
vito_f
vito_f
@ivik80, yes, check arduino or better yet get a nodemcu v2 and look at the blynk library and free iphone ios app. nodemcu is a very very small arduino-clone with builtin wifi (it costs about 2-5 €/$). there are other multipurpose arduinos (clones) with wifi. blynk is a framework you can easily add to your sketch. blynk /arduino then connects to either a free cloud server hosted with them or (as i did, as a docker container in parallel to an openvpn server on a NAS) you can run it locally on a small server, so everything stays private. What is nice, the server feeds your arduino the current time now, also it can collect all kind of sensor data in your growroom. You can then build a dashboard app, all kinds of graphs easily in a matter of minutes and program your own light scheduler. it is amazingly awesome. ALso cool: once everything is installed you can update your sketches via wifi, feed videos or webcam shots of your growroom into the app, override the light status in your app, emergency heat shut down, push notifications, all kind of stuff. its nerdy AF, but also a very fun tech project if you're savvy. you can even let the units talk to each other, which i have not tried, build individual humidity/temp-nodes per tent or pot. adding or simulating a potentiometer would be a step depending on your tech setup then.
ivik80
ivik80
@ProfessorSkiSlopes, Ah man that sounds really nice, seems to be a lot of different fun stuff one could do with it. Like the weight of pot idea for watering! Ok then, I'll wait for you to make it all work and then you can show me what to buy and send over some scripts :) I'll copy/paste whatever u get going :D
ProfessorSkiSlopes
ProfessorSkiSlopes
@ivik80, It really is! I did a quick scan and there are already a couple of sunset/sunrise sketches out there, but the more I think about it, the more I think this is definitely a worthwhile project to investigate. Everything could be controlled from the potentiometer interface, and it would just need some sort of clock shield for the arduino, and it could manage the intensity of the light 24/7 - it would be good to have an LCD shield as well so it could display things like the time, and the intensity, so it could be spot checked in the tent. Having it do datalogging back to a PC or SD card would be good as well. Then the next step would be to interface it with the ventilation and circulation fans, and any cooling/heating equipment, along with any humidifying/dehumidifying gear. One could even implement moisture meters in all the pots, or even pressure sensors under the pots to watch weight, and it could then alert when watering/feeding was needed/optimal.. its all a very exciting field for future improvements to indoor operations that's for sure! - The great thing is that there is already a lot of work out there in this direction with Arduino, so its not even like it would have to be done from scratch. I look forward to investigating it once I have a few more harvests under my belt, and I have the practical experience to implement something more advanced than manual/thermostat/humidistat control.
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Cheezy
Cheezyweek 13
What a beautiful harvest! Congrats!
Cheezy
Cheezy
@ProfessorSkiSlopes, there is so much to be learnt by the experience of growing! There's already so much I would do different next time and I'm not even half way through my first grow :P I'm looking forward to seeing how what you've learned benefits you in your next grow!
ProfessorSkiSlopes
ProfessorSkiSlopes
@Cheezy, Thank you very much! :) I really enjoyed growing these plants even though I made a bunch of mistakes, I learnt heaps from doing it, and it was a brilliant smoke (a bit to much sativa for me but still great).
smoking_hills9
smoking_hills9week 13
Wow😲 Amazing results. πŸ‘
ProfessorSkiSlopes
ProfessorSkiSlopes
@smoking_hills9, Thank you very much! I'm pretty sure I could get the yield up by another 30% with a more experienced grow. This grow was my first and had a few catastrophes. I've learnt a bit from this and subsequent grows, and I have another 10 Gorilla Glue seeds that I will be using to test my hypothesis after I get another 2 or 3 grows under my belt.
ivik80
ivik80week 10
Another great week I see, they are looking really good mate! Not many weeks left I guess :)
ProfessorSkiSlopes
ProfessorSkiSlopes
@ivik80, Thank you :) Yep should only be 3 weeks or so to go now.. I'm really looking forward to seeing all the buds frost up!! I'm crossing my fingers for a 16oz harvest, but I'm estimating anywhere from 12-18 at this stage.. but I guess we will see... hopefully I can still break the 1g/w level with this (anything but perfect) grow!
GreenHouseLab
GreenHouseLabweek 10
GG always produces monster colas!!! It's evident here...
ProfessorSkiSlopes
ProfessorSkiSlopes
@GreenHouseLab, It certainly does! I can see where is gets the name Gorilla... the shape of the plant almost looks like a gorilla with its arms up and flexed.. Can't wait to see these buds as they sticky up!
ivik80
ivik80week 5
Btw, I wrote a PM/chat to you earlier about the lights, did u see it?
ProfessorSkiSlopes
ProfessorSkiSlopes
@ivik80, Do you mean the comment on the VPD? Where do look for private messages?
Wilson_McNugget
Wilson_McNuggetweek 13
Nice grow Ski Slopes...I was taking a look at some of the winning diaries for newbie of the month...looks like you had a pretty nice result....
Auto_GrowZ
Auto_GrowZweek 9
Hey. Just curious.. at week 9 do you still have the hlg Qb's dimmed down to 50% ?
ProfessorSkiSlopes
ProfessorSkiSlopesweek 9
Hi there. The lights are at full 480w now, I started transitioning them around week 3-4 and increased them to full over a period of around 4 weeks. Sorry I didn't make specific notes of when I increased the lights, and this grow had several issues which caused me to slow down the light increase, but if you check my new diary Zkittles, I'm just beginning the increase from 240w at week 3 and I will be taking more detailed notes of exactly when I increase the intensity. Basically the aim is to slowly increase it as the mass of plant material increases and as they increase in height so that they are always getting basically as muc as they can handle without stressing... I'm still working out exactly when to do it, and will be letting the plants guide me.