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Started off worried about the little guys - i'd never heard of the membrane not getting removed from cotyledons before sprouting. Once I removed the membranes (on both plants) they were good as new. Had to leave em for a couple of days to see family our of town. I've been watering (imo) super lightly. About a liter a day into each 5 gal pot, around the seedling. Should I be watering more? Less? How am I looking? Feedback appreciated!
FYI using FoxFarm Happy Frog in 5gal Fabric Pots, CKS Northern Lights Auto.
When should I start nutes?
How are my plants looking? The photo with the biggest leaves is day 7. Am I under-watering or over watering? Should I be adding nutes soon? Is this comparable growth to other successful NLA grows?
Hey there living it, you're on point for week one, just keep the humidity and temperature as stable as possible . For an auto you don't need to add any nutrients until week 3 even until flower should be fine. If you do add nutes go 1/4 strength and go slowly so the plant doesnt get burnt. Hope this helps ! 🚀
So, seemingly sudden drop in the health of plant #1. She was bigger than plant #2, but now she's looking dreadful. Lots of spotting and leaf curling. There's some of that on the health(ier) one, but not near as much and it seems to be healing -- and growing!
I topped plant #1 because I knew it was risky, but wanted to see what would happen and took a chance with a plant that was already looking a bit unhealthy. From what I can tell, I would definitely believe that it is burn considering that my 1000w LED was just 16 indes away from them for 8 days, since sprouting. I moved em up to 48 inches on day 9 and plant #2 reacted well but plant #1 is only getting worse. It could also be a PH issue, causing a calcium deficiency, but I've been giving them 6.0-6.5 PH treated water for 4 days now...
I want to do LST on the health(ier) one, but not sure if it's too early. What do y'all think based on the stem growth?
What do you think is causing the spotting, leaf curling, and stunted growth in plant #1? My money is on light burn and/or PH issue. I have a PH control kit I've been using to treat the water, but do you think just treating the water is enough? Using FoxFarm HF soil, no nutes yet
Hey I saw that you had your light at 16 inches. That caused the burn spots and the curling on the leaves. On my 1000w leds I run about 36" at this stage then go down to 24". Any closer than that will burn them. All leds are different though and usually have a manufacturers recommended height. Looks like you have it at 48 now. It is fine to leave it there and watch for her to start stretching. If she starts stretching then move it down a little each day until you find that sweet spot. As far as your ph. You can take a sample of your runoff water from the bottom of your pot when you water and it will tell you what your soil ph is. Happy frog is a high quality soil and is usually buffers ph really well. Hope this gets you headed in the right direction. Good luck!
Both plant 1 and 2 are looking a lot healthier. Started LST with both the autos and it seems to be working well so far. The bigger one has a very strong main stem and is flourishing. The smaller one that I thought I was gonna lose is bouncing back, though at a pretty slow rate. I'll be lucky to get a quarter off that one.
I also had a bag seed that I planted before these guys - didn't seem like she was gonna make it, but after I transplanted her to s 5gal pot, she became the healthiest of the bunch. No idea what stain she is, but I don't think she's auto. Works for me -- I'll keep vegging her at least until I harvest the two NLAs and let her grow big and tall :)
Let me know your thoughts in the comments below!
The plants LOOK good, but I made a big mistake when LSTing the plants, and some leaves got cuts, and 1 branch on both of the plants snapped off entirely :( I stopped LST entirely for the time being. Am considering getting another 1000w (132w actual) led identical to my current one. Growing in a 2x2 shower so I'm still 70 actual watts under what I should have based on the 50x area rule. Thoughts?
They seem to be bouncing back well, though I'm definitely keeping a close eye on them.
I started adding nutes last week (1/3 of recommended quantity) and everything seems to be looking good -- I noticed that growth significantly expanded, and there doesn't appear to be any negative side effects. I upped it to half the recommended dose today. Fingers crossed!
It looks to me like plant #2 might be starting to flower, and maybe even plant #1 as well. Can anyone see what I'm talking about and let me know? Much obliged!
Can't believe we're at the start week 5 already. This is such a beautiful process.
Things are looking good - I started defoliation on all the ants this week. I figure, the little one isn't getting much bigger, the big one is so bushy the light is having trouble getting thru even with LST, and the bag seed seems to be a photoperiod plant so I have all the veg time I need to recover on that one.
Update: The bigger girl started flowering on day 32!
Let me know what y'all think!
Update: the plants bounced back almost TOO fast after defoliation, and the leaves are bigger than ever lol. The pics I just put up are much higher quality than before. Please let me know what y'all think, and any improvements I could make. Also, I can see it looks like I will need more space if I want to keep vegging the bag seed (she's the one who is bent for LST). All these girls are getting so bushy 0_0
(will post better photos/vids tonight) All plants are looking very healthy! I went through the final round of defoliation on the autos this week, and the white pistils on the larger of the two are growing and sprouting up like crazy. The smaller of the two autos is producing more and more tops, so I think the yield will be better than previously expected. The bag seed plant is being trained with LST and growing very nicely. Im excited for that baby to have the whole 2x2 growspace to herself once the autos are harvested. Overall, this is another great week! I freaking love growing herb. It's a lot kf work, but it's the most pleasurable work I think I've ever done. I just love being around the plants. Sometimes I can't seem to keep my eyes off them :P
Lowered the nutes -- didn't feed every 3 days like I previously did, just watered today. Overall looking good. I'm gonna have to move some of the plants to the tub because the bigger auto is getting so bushy.
Let me know what you think in the comments, please!
Should I flush my plants? I realized that I've never done that and have been feeding them nutes for over 3 weeks now. They've definitely got some nite burn.
How do I flush plants in soil without drowning the roots? And how shortly after flushing should I start adding nutes again
I'm not seeing any nute burn in your photos. But I would like to mention some of your upper leaves closest to your light show signs of heat/light stress since the leaf blades are starting to curl upwards. I would consider back off your light a bit and see if they lay back down. If your getting serious about growing you should really consider investing in a PPF/PAR meter which will help you measure the intensity of your light at different distances and part of your grow area. I use one every grow best tool I have no more guessing. As far as flushing goes some auto flower growers will do a flush around week 5 then switch to bloom nutrients just to help remove any excess nitrogen that is not needed as much during bloom. It's a matter of preference. I personally will flush to bring my runoff TDS below 900 ppm (Hanna 0.5 scale) or 1.8 e.c. Then let them dry out. Next time I feed in the 450 to 500 ppm range and measure my run off ppm. If it's high then they get plain water next time. I do this to ensure they are actually feeding off the nutes and they are not accumulating. Hope this helps. 👍
Finally split up the plants. The big auto has the 2x2 shower to herself now and the bathtub is plenty big for the smaller auto and the vegging bag seed/"mutant". Add the bath tub to the list of domestic areas in my home that Mary Jane has claimed :P
Removing "grow big" from the nurse mix, despite it being recommended in the nute guide provided by fox farm that came with the trio I've been using, seemed to do wonders for the stunting/Yellowing. Unfortunately the top leaves on the bigger auto wilted seemingly irreparably (except for the middle one, like it's flipping me off for putting it through some rough shit >.<). All the other leaves perked back up and are in the process of uncurling.
Thanks for all the answers, you guys. I'm gonna run a flush on these babies tonight or tomorrow. It's been 48 hours since their last watering of 1gal in a 5gal pot, so they should be good to go.
Wish me luck!
Changed feedings to 1x/week, and I think it's really helping.
I think the vertical growth on the bigger auto finally stopped. She's got lots of beautiful white hairs.
The other auto is finally starting to flower now. Got a few white hairs of her own as you can see. She's slower going, but she's got a lot of evenly tall colas. Stems aren't quite as strong but hopefully she'll produce a decent yield.
The bag seed (last pic) plant is still growing strong. I've been experimenting with topping, FIMMing, and LST. It's done wonders for the plant. So many colas...can't wait to put this baby into flowering mode.
And to answer another question depending to LST... there is no need for lst now....give them 10 days more then you can do topping ( if they grow vigor) and LST
@Livinit2019, if you are new to trimming technics, just do what is comfortable for you. look at the plant, and listen what she says.....or your belly what he says...... there is no rule to do it like this or that.... i would look for the plant and what is ok for you to do....... you grow more often wed and in every grow you get a chance to do more.
But put away the botom leaves , and give her more distance to the light, in my mind she could stretch more.
@Mrs_Larimar, thank you for your input! I started LST 10 days later per your recommendation, and the healthier plant grew like gangbusters -- but I made a rookie mistake and accidentally cut some leaves and an entire branch of both plants while I was doing so (week 4). Still growing well, but should I still top the plant with that in mind? And also, do I still top from the main cola? There are a bunch of strong, thick off shoots on the healthier one. It's actually hard to see where the main cola is without lifting a bunch of leaves and shoots up because it's so bushy and all the stems are so thick lol
Hey boss,
I've had the same.issue with cropking autos for some reason I got brown on my white widow and northern lights both are not growing much, brown spots, white tips.
Honestly now I've seen it here and another one I think it's the breeder with autos not anything we are doing.
I thought it was my soil, my light, ph levels from the water and run off none of it was wrong in the end just the crappy breeder.
Hope this helps
@Livinit2019,
I'm on my 2nd set of autos for NL and WW myself.
The only one doing ok is the NL but it's like stuck at like week two almost. The WW is a loss cause.
I'm going to pull the list support on the WW but leave the NL as it seems to be ok.
I wrote the company, sent them pictures, of my medical mix, ph of water, ph of run off and other data. They have yet to even respond which has been over 2 weeks now. Sad.
So I ordered up some Dina and Queens royal photos because this Canadian seed company is poor service and breeder.
I hope you plants come along and that your next round goes better!
@CanuckVetGrwr, thanks for the input! I fear you may be right -- my bag seed has bounced back stronger than the damn short NLA lol. I still have 3 more of the NLA seeds though, so after this harvest we will see what the rest look like.
@Cannibalgardens and @CRiSPrGrow thank you both! I really appreciate the input. I tried growing hydro back in my high school days but only had 1 harvest and it was too early. Looking forward to a clean soil grow and harvest this time around.
It looks like I had the lights too close to the plant and got some minor discoloration and minor leaf curling on these babies. I'll update with pics on that when I post week 2. Thanks for the advice everyone
Livinit2019
