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Landrace West African Sativa (Wild Collected) - Togo/Nigeria
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Topping
weeks 8
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weeks 8
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weeks 8
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weeks 8, 10-11, 13, 15
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weeks 8, 12
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weeks 8-10, 14-16
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Week 12
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0.04 ml/l
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SUPERCROPPING TOP DRESSING w/ DRY NUTRIENT FLOWERING BLEND DAY 78-84: β€’ Came back from trip to a healthy-ish, thirsty plant β€’ D80: Top node reached 17.5 inches β€’ D80: RO water-only feeding β€’ D81: Supercropped main stem down to 13 inches - recovered fast! β€’ Potential problem: Tea's TDS on D75 was potentially a bit high, followed with an overly alkaline micronutrient solution (8.4) on D80 -> probably sent my soil pH south for a bit β€’ D84: Clawing & droopiness, potential N toxicity or nutrient lockout β€’ Leaves look healthy but will have to go easy on next feeding
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Grow Questions
Scribs
Scribsstarted grow question 5 years ago
Attempting to grow a landrace strain from seeds I brought back from West Africa in 2017 (Togo/Nigeria). Probably grew in the wild given buds were full of seeds. Growth has been slow so far. Switched to 13/11 recently. At week 5, wonder if leaves will ever get bigger.
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DankGardeneranswered grow question 5 years ago
If you want faster growth I recommend a 18/6 cycle. Just bump up an hour a day will be fine. 18/6 will get you great growth. 13/11 is probably why it seems to be growing slow. Also u do have a mutation where it naturally topped it self. I grow one of these out smoke ended up being decent. Another tip is to water properly. After a watering lift container of it's light plant needs water. If it still have a little weight you don't need to water. This wet/dry cycle is crucial when growing in soil.
Scribs
Scribsstarted grow question 5 years ago
I lucked out, it's female of a landrace wild-collected Sativa from West Africa. The plant has entered the pre-flowering stage on a 13/11 but is still somewhat small due to stress inflicted by my beginner's mistakes in earlier phases. Will she grow more? Should I just clone her?
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CRiSPrGrowanswered grow question 5 years ago
two things , she'll definitely grow, especially now with the tiny bit of extra space, but i think i know what you're asking : will it become a monster ? well no, it's in a smallish pot with soil, try soiless next time in the same size pot and it'll be bigger. Pot size matters ! Unless you revery back to veg all you can expect is a flower stretch, that means the plant will grow 2 to 3 times larger in the next 2 to 6 weeks (depends on the genetics, so lets see!) If you do revert back to veg that's called "monster cropping" i believe or is that super cropping ? lots of wierd names, point is it's a technique : if you control lighting, you can go back to veg with absolutely no problems , just keep her there a few weeks then transplant to a bigger pot, keep it there another week then start flowering again, the plant gets confused (hopefully) and produces more biomass. This technique produces increased end yields and potency , so go for it if that's what you're after ! Hope this helps ! πŸš€
Scribs
Scribsstarted grow question 5 years ago
Last compost tea was probably a bit too strong, causing clawing and droopiness these last few days. The following feeding was RO water only. I'm wondering whether there is some kind of nutrient lockout or N tox/def going on at the moment. Growth upward hasn't slowed down though.
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Chayton_elegantbuds420answered grow question 5 years ago
I would dry them out and start in again in few days with giving some nutrients. Not to much... try to build it up slowly. Good luck
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Scribsweek 7
@JUNGLE_B4RNS @BlackCousin @CRiSPrGrow - Thanks for the help! No more seeds and no guarantee what I get from that same region in the future is the same genetics. So I'm willing to chop a top off and clone as a safety measure. In the bad news category, the main stem at the base split in half this morning... Rescue operation with tape support around the base to heal the wound and help regeneration. I hope it doesn't turn her into a hermie but that puts pressure on cloning ASAP in case the current plant fails as a result of the shock created by the split. Thoughts? EDIT: Found my answer. Did just that. Fixed and supported with duct tape and twisty ties. https://youtu.be/_igBwf0AttI
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@JUNGLE_B4RNS, Sounds good. Thank you! πŸ‘ŠπŸ™
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@Scribs,it depends on the weight of the branch and the tension that it puts on the wounded trunk. If there’s too much weight or too much tension it will finish by braking, in this case I put some duct tape for 2-3 weeks.
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@JUNGLE_B4RNS, Good to know! I've just started reading about those techniques indeed. Do you typically tape the main trunk back together or do you leave it as is?
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Scribsweek 14
@dudegrowsweed Hey dude - Almost out of the swamp: @Mr_Positivo was bang on, it was due to light stress. Was running under a 600W LED hanging at 24 inches above the plants. No bueno. My leaves were clawing downward while rising upward, also known as "praying for magnesium". At first I thought it was either a nitrogen toxicity (clawing downward) or a nascent magnesium deficiency (leaves shooting up). I also thought the cause not to be the light but the strong tea and nutrient solution I fed the plant back to back, the latter's pH being way too high, which I thought caused a nutrient lockout. Then things kinda got worse: I downgraded from 600W LED, to 450W LED, to 300W LED. The 450W stayed for a few days but overheated the grow tent, drying the plant, which made me overwater, hence the wilting in the last few days. I think I got a combo of light stress and magnesium deficiency to start it all. I don't add CaMg+ each time to my reverse osmosis water and the plant may have lacked a bit. Now that the plant runs under 300W LEDs running at less than 25% intensity, hanging at 24 inches above, and that I've let her dry out, while feeding her CaMg+ & Epsom Salts through foliar sprays for a few days, she's recovering and clawing is improving. I got a set of full spectrum 50W & 100W LEDs to experiment a bit, especially as the plant keeps growing upward and the space between the top of the canopy and the light reduces. Might have to just finish her under 50W to avoid burning the tops. Hope this helps for next time. Bummer you had to kill yours. Experience is the nickname we give to the mistakes we learned from ;-)
DudeGrowsWeed
DudeGrowsWeed
@Scribs, Thanks for letting me know. Live and learn (and share).
Ssomeguy
Ssomeguyweek 7
Looks like a fairly typical african sativa (at least, from what I know) so far, interested to see how that flowers though. Those sort of sativas really don't like small spaces. Good luck.
Scribs
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@@Ssomeguy, Makes complete sense. I just repotted her a week ago, and the main stem split this morning so I'm gonna manage that situation and keep the stress at a minimum to see if she survives that right now... I'm considering toping one of the two stems and clone today.
Ssomeguy
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@Scribs, Oh dude, if you can, give her more space as soon as possible (I mean, it says 3.79l). If it's still preflowering it'll still grow significantly (if conditions/transplant is good), I've done this quite a few times, essentially, if you don't see big bundles of pistils yet, it's worth it (space depending on your considerations).
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@Scribs, I wouldn't bother stressing it more (maybe loose scrog, if anything), it's only gonna grow as large as the soil/light/pot allows (unless you're messing a lot with growth regulators or use pots with particularly high height to width ratio). The container size itself will be stress enough for that plant, imo. Unless it's quite a large container. I can give you rough estimates of sizes depending on the pot size (assuming good growing conditions, nutrients, etc) as I've grown 200+ random mostly african sativas and hybrids in varying containers/conditions.
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Mrs_Larimar
Mrs_Larimarweek 7
if you want to get clones.... she has to stay in vegetation stage and you can cut some clones... then after all tranplant and let her in flower. its to see that its astrong girl surviving for week in that solocup and getting fed with lots of stuff....
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@Mrs_Larimar, Awesome! Thanks so much for the tips! πŸ™πŸ‘Š
Mrs_Larimar
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@Scribs, yes if you want clones do it now.... and the reason for solocups is only that you have more space in the tnt for babies and big plants and you can train watering. I dont do solocups , i start with 3 l.. you can start in the final pot aswell.... its just enconomic thoughts plantinga seed into solo cup. you will see she will like the biggr shoes and grow nicely
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@Mrs_Larimar, Thanks dude. Appreciate the help. So basically I should collect a cutting now (pre-flowering phase), if I want to clone? When I transplanted her from the solocup to the 1 gal pot, the roots had not outgrown the solocup yet. The new soil was still cooking, which is why I delayed the transplant for a while. I was afraid of the bigger pot initially as this is my first grow. But yeah, she's been strong so far, coping with all my beginner's mistakes!
Scribs
Scribsweek 7
@Grey_Wolf Thanks for the tips and the support! πŸ™ Trying to source more seeds from that same area but there's no guarantee the seeds will be of the exact same genetics when looking for a male to pollinate. Cloning would be ideal at some point, yes. Looks like opinions diverge about whether I should collect a cutting now or later :P So I was told landrace plants don't like to be trained but I agree it's going to be necessary. I will unfortunately only be able to give her 4ft of height in my current space... Should I start gently tying the main stems down?
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@Grey_Wolf, Thanks dude. Yeah so far she's holding up. I patched her up and still managed to train the very tops outwards a bit while keeping the main stem together with tape. Pics next week! Thanks for the support! πŸ‘ŠπŸ™
Grey_Wolf
Grey_Wolf
@Scribs, maybe a little too much effort in your bending lol but in all seriousness when the plant heals it will form a knuckle where the wound was which will actually help strengthen the plant Good luck
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@Grey_Wolf, Tried that this morning and she didn't like it. Slight/light bent in one direction and the main stem split in half. The fact she has such a unique shape at the base and is so fragile probably doesn't give me a lot of options to train. Rescue mode for now πŸ˜ͺ EDIT: Found my answer. Did just that. Fixed and supported with duct tape and twisty ties. https://youtu.be/_igBwf0AttI
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Scribsweek 7
@MarcXL - Hey Mark, Thanks for your note. The thing is, she started getting much bigger in her solo cup and still wasn't root-bound when I transplanted her into the 1 Gal container. I can only give her 4ft in height therefore wanted to kinda go slowly and see how she'd grow. I don't want to end up with a plant that grows massive and dies because of lack of space either. I think realistically, the max I could go would be a 3.5Gal pot. I've been training her a bit these last few days and she's reacted nicely.
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@MarcXL, I read a lot about that, yes. And that's kind of what I'm going for, given my limited space.
MarcXL
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@Scribs, no prob, the pot size is only one side of the medal. Good care and training can also give you a nice and healthy plant that can deliver nive yields without getting 6ft tall.
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@MarcXL, Ha that's funny. I'll see how this one does in the 1 Gal pot for now. I got two clones of her trying to make it and they've been healthy so far so if everything goes well, I'll be able to keep experimenting with her strain type.
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Scribsweek 12
@Cannibalgardens Hey dude - Thanks much for stopping by to help :-) About watering, yes, as answered in another comment, I typically follow the wet/dry cycle meticulously. I weigh her everyday and then only water when it's almost dry. During Veg, it was every 5-7 depending on temperature & humidity (slight fluctuations). During bloom, it's around every 4-5 days. Now, do you actually let the soil go close to dry during flowering or do you keep things rather moist?
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@Cannibalgardens, Good to know - thank you! I may try that. The bottom of the pot is still damp so I'll wait another day.
Cannibalgardens
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@Scribs,I was pretty close to same in flowering 4-5days in summer indoors ..this winter for me is like 3 days as I'm watering less more frequently .. I let mine go 70%dry then water ..
Mrs_Larimar
Mrs_Larimarweek 8
and the clones are cut... looking good. btw i would take something "smoothr" than thred to tighten the sem... she will get bgger and it strangles her then
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@Mrs_Larimar, Thank you! Was so nervous when I did it haha. Keeping the clones alive is an emotional roller coaster lol. I'm def keeping an eye on the tape strangling the base stem. Thinking about taking it off in ~2 weeks. The wound still looks fresh although it's healing well. But the branches will get heavier and I want to make sure she can withstand the weight. The trellis net stands ready for when she gets taller/heavier.
DD_420
DD_420week 7
So after looking at your pictures, what your assuming to be nutrient burn strikes me more of a water on leafs while under an led light. If you continue to spray your plants try to do it after your lights turn off for the day. When water beads stay on a leaf under a light the bead works like a magnifying glass which is most likely what is causing the burn marks. In my experience nutrients burn starts in the tips and edges of leafs. Your spots seem to be mid/random spots.
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@DD_420, Thanks for the help / POV! Much appreciated. I think your point about the foliar spray damaging the leaves makes complete sense. I typically try to spray 10-20min before the lights go off, but now that you mention it, 600W LED may be powerful enough to burn and make holes on leaves within 10-20min. Will make sure I spray after dark and see how she responds! Re: the nute burn, I couldn't wait longer to transplant her but ideally, my soil would have cooked an extra week. I'm pretty sure her new soil was still a bit too powerful. I was also trying to correct a N deficiency that started back in her solo cup so might have over dosed a bit between a cottonseed meal top dressing and some VEG+BLOOM soluble powder back there. Some leaves are curled and burnt at the tips in a typical nutrient burn kind of way. Perhaps not obvious via the pics but I def see it each time I check her. She has an awesome story and the buds she came from accompanied me during that whole trip so great memories are attached to those seeds. Def wanna keep her strain-line alive!
Captain_7
Captain_7week 4
very funky looking plant! Hope it turns out for you and it’s female
Scribs
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@Captain_7, Hoping for the same! Not sure where it's going since it's an undocumented strain that grew in the wild in West Africa.
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Scribsweek 7
@Cannibalgardens Hey thanks for the note! I actually deliberately chose the 13/11 after checking the parameters of her natural habitat. In Togo, days are 13/11 during the summer and 11/13 during the winter, with a constant 60%-95% humidity range. During the monsoon, the RH shoots up to 95%, for weeks. So I'm trying to stick to that to grow her. She's a landrace so I assumed she'd respond better that way. RE: the container, I have to cap her at 4ft so wanted to start with a small container to control growth. It's my first grow so going slowly :D I read 1ft for each gallon in the container so was planning on ending in a 3.5 gal pot. Thanks for the support dude. Helps a lot!
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Scribsweek 7
@BlackCousin Taking note of all your suggestions and knowledge. Thank you brother! Much appreciated! πŸ™ The plant has actually been on a 13/11 from start. The website only allows to choose 12/12 in the options but the light schedule is up-to-date in the parameters for each week. Was planning on switching her to 11/13 to switch her to flower at some point.
CRiSPrGrow
CRiSPrGrowweek 4
i'm gonna follow this one for the cool pheno and landrace πŸš€
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@CRiSPrGrow, Just posted the latest. Don't judge me haha. I'm learning... It's a tricky plant!
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@CRiSPrGrow, You bet! I thought it would be helpful context indeed. Some family lives there so I go often and got to know the area well. It's super hot and highly humid (they were at 91% humidity last week!), and days are short! Summer 13/11 - Winter 11/13. Trying to keep those environmental conditions in mind as I grow her. She is responding well to the 13/11 schedule so far. After messing up at the beginning, I'm starting to figure out the right watering cadence. She's doing well now. I'll post some pics soon! πŸ‘Š
CRiSPrGrow
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@Scribs, thanks for the Togo pic, really opens your eyes to the natural conditions of this strain πŸ‘Œ
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DudeGrowsWeedweek 12
Looks like overwatering to me. I’d try cutting back a little on your watering routine. Good luck!
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@DudeGrowsWeed, Crossing fingers for you too! Good luck!
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@Scribs, Sounds like a good plan. I'm not seeing any yellowing on my end, but I'm also going to let her dry out then try feeding straight PH'ed water - I typically PH down to 6.4-6.6. Hope we both get our girls to bounce back! πŸ™
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@DudeGrowsWeed, Hey dude - I have a few hypothesis lined up, starting with these facts, as reported in my Week 11/12 diary notes: -> Potential problem: Tea's TDS on D75 was potentially a bit high, followed with an overly alkaline micronutrient solution (8.4) on D80 -> probably sent my soil pH south for a bit -> D84: Clawing & droopiness, potential N toxicity or nutrient lockout -> Yellowing/Necrosis appearing on lower/older leaves Hypothesis: (1) flowering phase getting more intense (2) nutrient lockout (3) N toxicity/deficiency The combo of clawing and yellowing leaves at the bottom makes me believe it's a Nitrogen toxicity following the strong tea, then the alkaline feeding could be causing a nutrient lockout as well. The solution I'm testing right now is simply to let the soil dry a bit longer than usual, and just keep watering with Reverse Osmosis water (pH 7.0) and nothing else until I see improvements and/or deficiencies.
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CRiSPrGrowweek 12
Maybe use something like enzymes some more or even flush if you're brave (I feel it causes water stress sometimes ) what do you think ?
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@CRiSPrGrow, Yep, most likely (3). I'll go easy on feeding in the next 10-15 days and will definitely lower the TDS for the next tea.
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@Scribs, looks like 3 to me, downwards clawing too... And sometimes leafs yellow and die which is basically normal , yellowing starting from the oldest leafs first is a symptom of n issues
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@CRiSPrGrow, Effectively, I lightly flushed on D85 at the beginning of week 13, by only feeding her pure RO water - 1/4 gallon. So far she seems to be stabilizing but I'm keeping an eye on a few of the lower leaves that are starting to show necrosis and yellowing. Could be a mix of the flowering phase getting more intense (1), an actual nutrient lockout (2) or an N toxicity/deficiency (3). I'm leaning toward (3) since I'm also seeing clawing on most leaves overall, although the clawing could also totally be a trait of the plant at this stage of growth.
DudeGrowsWeed
DudeGrowsWeedweek 13
Looks like yours is recovering. Unfortunately, mine wasn’t getting any better. Just chopped her down. πŸ™
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@DudeGrowsWeed, Awww man I'm so sorry. That sucks :( Mine is still in recovery mode. Someone suggested it's a lighting issue with my plant and I've been experimenting with lighting a bit. Other than that the plant is healthy. Good luck with the next one.
HighRoller909
HighRoller909week 12
This is something I've always been dreaming of.Growing pure landrace wild seeds wow really amazing.Good luck mate
Scribs
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@HighRoller909, Thanks dude. She's been a blast to grow and clone so far. So much personality :-)
CRiSPrGrow
CRiSPrGrowweek 10
good luck on the flowering, let's see what she's made of hey! πŸš€
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@CRiSPrGrow, Thanks dude. Definitely want to see this through. Depending on how tall she grows in the 1gl pot, I'll decide whether or not to grow the clones in 3-4gl pots.
GrowsGanjaGuy
GrowsGanjaGuyweek 8
Hey @scribs great looking girl but I did notice 2 things. Clawing tips may be from nitrogen toxicity and the lower leaves are being speckled with white which I found out to be thrips in my garden. If it's not great just thought I'd let you know because they ruined my girls. Try looking through a small scope (like to look at trichomes) because they are tiny white bugs. I used organicide on the leaves and the soil right before lights off and they went away. Goodluck hope she continues growing fine!
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@GrowsGanjaGuy, Hey friend, thanks for your note. I definitely had slight nute burns when I transplanted the plant into its new soil, which was enhanced TLO | The Rev style and the cooking process was likely not complete, plus I probably overdosed on nutrients prior to the transplant to correct N deficiencies when the plant was much younger. The spots you see on lower leaves are likely to just be spots left by my foliar sprays that contain various additives such as silica powder, aloe vera powder, CaMg+ and epsom salts typically. That leaves spots on the leaves but I have a magnifying glass and it doesn't look unhealthy or I'm not seeing any bad health symptoms on the plant at the moment. She's growing strong and just re-entered flowering! :-)
CRiSPrGrow
CRiSPrGrowweek 8
really love this diary man, great work reveging, how are those clone coming along then? πŸš€
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@CRiSPrGrow, Thanks bro. The clones scared the sh*t out of me yesterday morning (D6). They were both wilting and all droopy. I got them out of their pellets to check if they were growing roots. One of them had started growing tiny root hairs and the other one was getting there but slowly. I got them new pellets that I soaked with RO water + 2-3-1 liquid fish fert + epsom salts + aloe vera + silica + soluble myco and dipped them in Clonex again + granular myco fungi. Today they're alive and kicking so looks like they'll spend a few more days on Earth πŸ™Œ