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4 years ago
I topped two weeks and the plants are starting to bush out nicely. Tried cloning the tops and that looks like a total fail. The Blueberry Obama tops are pretty much dead. The Mandarin Sunset tops still look ok, but I'm not seeing any roots and it's been 8 days. The plants look to be pretty healthy, but I'm still having some issues. The top left MS (#1) has yellow leaf tips and some slight discoloration in the middle of the leaves. The lower left MS (#2) has the same discoloration which looks like it's happening mostly on the top of the canopy. I'm thinking it could be light burn or a mag deficiency or both. I'll keep an eye on it. Next decisions: 1) I was planning to SCROG this grow, but I'm not sure it's necessary. 2) Should I top again? 3) Should I clean out some of the interior leaves? 4) When should I flip to flower?
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Grow Questions
topbilling
topbillingstarted grow question 5 years ago
I've got three small seedlings with a fourth coming shortly. How much light intensity should they be getting? I have a 300W 3K LED 30" of the tops running on a 18-6 schedule. The LED is on its lowest setting because I read the the seedlings can be light sensitive.
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Setup. Seedling
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chasv77
chasv77answered grow question 5 years ago
Hard to say about that wattage. I have used a 180W at about 30" with good results. So your dimming capability might bring it down to that intensity. Otherwise, I am using 30 watts of led bar lights at 18".
topbilling
topbillingstarted grow question 5 years ago
The leaves on Blueberry #1 (top right) are starting to twist a bit. Should I be worried? The only changes I've made recently are: 1) increasing light up to full wattage and 2) adding second fan (lower left) to add more air circulation.
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Leaves. Other
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NobodysBuds
NobodysBudsanswered grow question 5 years ago
Dry off the leaves if anythign drips on them... doin't foliar spray, just in case that's the source. It could be caused by more than one thing. If they are well-hydrated, not overfed, underfed, i'd raise the light an inch or two and see what happens. That doesn't look neccessary though. At the age of those plants, i'd most liekly ignore it than try to do anythign about it. when leaves contort, it can be due to heat, light or lack of moisture etc.. could be pH or even some nutrient-related issues. When they are young, this sort of stuff happens on a whim and most often grows out of it quickly. If you choose to be proactive, try the less obtrussive options first before adding anythign you can't take out.
topbilling
topbillingstarted grow question 5 years ago
Sunset #1's top leaves are curling down. The other leaves look healthy. Am I watering too much? Is the light too close?
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Leaves. Curl down
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Nor_Cal_Kannabliss
Nor_Cal_Kannablissanswered grow question 5 years ago
Really looks like a case of overwatering. Just let it dry out and you should be fine. Check out my first grow for tips tricks and to learn what not to do. Cheers and happy growing!
topbilling
topbillingstarted grow question 5 years ago
Getting really concerned now that most of the leaves are starting to droop. I've been very sparse with watering. The only other change is humidity has dropped from 65% to 50%. Also, I have not given any nutes yet as I read that there should be 3-4 set of leaves first. Help?
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Leaves. Curl down
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SmylinPupil
SmylinPupilanswered grow question 5 years ago
Honestly to me they look great. They are bushy, green, and solid in stature. It looks to me like you have some healthy seedlings. All my grows are all around the same humidity as yours with no ill effects. I personally think your leaf droop is good, it looks like the leaves are growing a bit faster than the leaf petioles are able to support. Your ladies have plenty of light, as soon as they develop a bit more root structure that should disappear. As the previous answer said, after a good water pick up the pot and remember how heavy it is, and do not water until it feels very light, or has a slight weight to it. Happy growing and good luck! Cheers.
topbilling
topbillingstarted grow question 5 years ago
Both of the Sunset plants are showing some discoloration on new growth, one worse than the other. I've been watering very little and infrequently per previous feedback. Wonder if it's a nutrient deficiency. Any thoughts?
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Leaves. Color - Yellow
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MrBlocc420
MrBlocc420answered grow question 5 years ago
Looks like a nutrient lockout . And watering to often. No oxygen to the roots will cause them to wilt like that . You should check your EC and PPM to make sure your in range . You should be around 250-400 PPM for a plant that size . Hope that helps
topbilling
topbillingstarted grow question 5 years ago
Brown tips and curling leaves on Mandarin Sunset #1. Don't know what's going on. Also, need advice on when to transplant. Please see notes and picks in the week 5 diary.
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Leaves. Tips - Burnt
Leaves. Curl down
Leaves. Color - Dark-purple
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Ttrichome
Ttrichomeanswered grow question 5 years ago
One looks like a iron deficiency well the other looks like a magnesium deficiency. I'd definitely think about transplanting them into a larger pot. Give them a well rounded feed and they should bounce back quickly. Remember to use micro and cal/mag
topbilling
topbillingstarted grow question 5 years ago
I'm using a 300W LED. What distance should I keep the lights at now that I've transplanted and the plants are doing well? I'm thinking 24" and then move up as they grow until flipping. Also, when should I top? I've read that waiting for 6-8 nodes is the right way to go.
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Setup. Lighting
Techniques. Topping
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NobodysBuds
NobodysBudsanswered grow question 5 years ago
Every light is a bit different. If you have an expensive PAR/ppfd meter, you can start at generally accepted safe levels relative to maturity and trial and error from there. with a cheap lux meter, you can guage intensity.. if X lux is too much for a seedling, you know to test lower than X lux in future. This will remain useful information as long as you use that meter under the same light -- or, the same exact light model. i.e. same spectrum, same diodes, etc etc.. $150 vs. $10. Your plants are probably ready for ~full intensity at this point or near that point. Start at 18-24".. let the plants grow into light a bit and look for adverse impacts. if it stops growing vertically or if the top buds flop over, you know it's too much light. If you see the leaves drooping for long periods of time during day, that's another minor sign -- they should rise and fall a bit, though. If i see my plants droopy for hours at a time near end of day i reduce intensity or raise lights a bit. how long you run your lights will matter too. check out a DLI chart. It'll help you determine if you are giving too much light based on specs and how long to run you rlights- - may be able to save some money at 16-18hrs instead of 24hours that some run them. https://www.ledtonic.com/blogs/guides/dli-daily-light-integral-chart-understand-your-plants-ppfd-photoperiod-requirements Use the chart, but don't follow suggestions for different plants.. mary jane can go upto 65DLI with ~1300ppm CO2 or so. Better to stick to 30-40 sans additional CO2. With that info you can look up the PAR/ppfd you provide at the hours you run the light and determine what your DLI provided is. So, it's going to take trial and error. You don't need a meter of any type, but it would help speed the process up. Waiting for 6+ nodes is safer. you can probably get away with it earlier, but i think you get less impact doing so. If the axilliary growth is starting to grow out just a bit, i think topping causes more "bush-effect" than if they are tiny little nubs in the nook of a node. you got the right idea... test somethign out... see how it goes.. adjust... take soem notes for future reference until it's second nature.
topbilling
topbillingstarted grow question 4 years ago
3 of the 4 plants look ready to flip. Trying to figure out if I should SCROG to make them bush out more. Also, I'm wondering if I should thin the plants out as there's a lot of undergrowth that's being shaded. See my comments in the most recent week for more detail.
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Leaves. Curl up
Techniques. ScrOG
Techniques. Topping
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GanjaTorturer
GanjaTortureranswered grow question 4 years ago
Your plants are too close to each other for a decent scrog grow at this point. But you can definitely benefit from a net, it can help you spread out the upper growth, to expose more budsites to light. If you do this, I would top them from multiple points. If you have the patience, you can top, veg for longer, achieve more branches and more ganja in the end. Topping slows down the growth somewhat of course. Good luck 👍
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topbilling
topbillingcommentedweek 15 years ago
All four seeds have sprouted. Will wait till I see the tap root emerge and then plant these babies. It's been about 36 hours since I dropped them in.
topbilling
topbillingcommentedweek 15 years ago
According to the interwebs: Some seeds are simply initially denser (heavier) than others because of an internal greater water content. In other words: some seeds sink immediately, others take time.
Experimentgreen
Experimentgreencommentedweek 15 years ago
I was late responding...good luck with the 4. Sinking seeds isn't bad...many will sink after soaking for a few hours. Happy growing. 👍
topbilling
topbillingcommented5 years ago
@Experimentgreen, Thanks! I'm going with 3 gallon cloth pots and will follow your advice to limit veg time to 6-8 weeks.
Bootymissles
Bootymisslescommentedweek 55 years ago
Hey I've been creepin on your diary for a couple weeks just to see how your Mandarin Sunset is doing. She's looking pretty good. That is what I'm growing for my first grow, just started week 5 if you wanna check her out! Happy growing!
Bootymissles
Bootymisslescommented4 years ago
@topbilling, nope just got lucky with these. They were freebies with my seed order
Bootymissles
Bootymisslescommented4 years ago
@topbilling, nope regular seeds from a freebie. Just got lucky👍
topbilling
topbillingcommented5 years ago
@Bootymissles, thanks. I checked your diary... also looking good. Did you start with feminized seeds?
Bootymissles
Bootymisslescommentedweek 84 years ago
Hey my MS was looking the same on the newer growth and tips/edges started yellowing. Turned out to be a potassium deficiency. After giving her some veg nutes she's looking better.