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Rimarup Oxford 0.8m x 0.8m x 1.6m
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Topping
weeks 2
LST
weeks 3
Mineral Wool
Grow medium
Expanded Clay
Grow medium
20 l
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Week 1
Vegetation
5.08
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20 hrs
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Sven_Lordy Sven_Lordy
4 years ago
* 3rd December - Day 14 from seed * Well, what a week! And I wasn't even here to enjoy it. My partner lovingly tended Nora (we decided to name her) while I was away. Looking at 'germination week', you'll see I was constantly aerating the nutrient solution. For the first 4 days, my partner was pH adjusting the solution (Rhizotonic seems to leave pH constantly climbing - around half a point per day), pouring out any old solution from Nora's 'semi-kratky' pot, then syringing 24ml of solution through the rockwool. As soon as the tap root was around half way down the pot (4th day), we filled the pot so the tap root was just touching a well of nutrient solution within the pot. Each day, the solution was emptied and refreshed - not taking any Pythium chances here. Within the next 3 days the rest of the explosive root growth came bursting through the rockwool. So, time to transport her. Made some changes to the bucket: lots of holes in the rim for LST, full foil-bubble insulation (including around the rim of the net pot , and aluminium tape around the entire silicone air line - zero light leaks), a very large new air stone, and a 25w pump to power it. The pump is ridiculously quiet - not 'quiet for 25w', simply ridiculously quiet. And as you can see, it creates a bucket which looks like a pot on full boil. There's absolutely no way pythium is getting any sort of foothold on this grow. The root explosion made it very easy to position the rockwool cube within the hydroton - the roots are submerged while the rockwool sits just above. Decided to stick with the Formulex as it's doing a grand job, albeit the dose has been kicked up. Swapping the Rhizotonic for Regenaroot as I hear very good things, including that pH remains stable! Will now use Rhizo for foliar applications only.
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Grow Questions
Sven_Lordy
Sven_Lordystarted grow question 4 years ago
Despite all precautions I seem to have early stages of root rot (earthy smell in bucket, iffy roots). Added 2ml/l liiquid oxygen... am wondering... is this salvageable? IE: Having caught it early, can I use H202 and put it into flowering? Or is that pushing water uphill?
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russrahl
russrahlanswered grow question 4 years ago
Hey man, plants are looking all right to me. I don’t think that is root rot setting in, just your nutrients staining your roots. I’ve been doing DWC for a few years and never get perfectly white roots. Lol Add a little Hydroguard or UC Roots or H2o2 to your res will insure you do get it though. But if your water temps are on point with no light leaks all should be good. Sometimes light leaks in from the basket top through your pebbles, good to try and cover that area too if you can. Hope this helps, Cheers💨
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Nor_Cal_Kannabliss
Nor_Cal_Kannablissanswered grow question 4 years ago
Go pick up a product called Hydroguard for your res. I believe you can pull her back. 🤘😤
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Ezzjaybruh
Ezzjaybruhweek 1
Hey just a heads up... may be a non issue for you, but I upgraded my pump to a 32W beast this grow and I had it going full blast on the fragile roots in week 1-2 and it definitely stressed it and stunted growth a bit by knocking around the roots too much I believe.. I turned down the pump to 25-50% for the first couple weeks and the cranked it up.. but I love seeing that good oxygenation going! It definitely helps a ton once the root structure is better developed. Just my 2 cents, if you see any signs of stress
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DreamOn
DreamOnweek 0
Good luck with the grow mate! 🌱😎
Ezzjaybruh
Ezzjaybruhweek 1
Hey just a heads up... may be a non issue for you, but I upgraded my pump to a 32W beast this grow and I had it going full blast on the fragile roots in week 1-2 and it definitely stressed it and stunted growth a bit by knocking around the roots too much I believe.. I turned down the pump to 25-50% for the first couple weeks and the cranked it up.. but I love seeing that good oxygenation going! It definitely helps a ton once the root structure is better developed. Just my 2 cents, if you see any signs of stress
Sven_Lordy
Sven_Lordy
@russrahl, I'm aware of the difference between both. Ironically, the amount of air space in Kratky and DWC isn't too dissimilar (at the start, at least). Kratky is for smaller plants and the idea is, as the water gets used, the nutrients concentrate... so as the plant grows, the strength of the diminishing nutrient solution concentrates to support the bigger plant, and the airspace grows while the plant drinks too. Sometimes you need to add more water - it depends on how suitable the pot size is for the whatever being grown. Far too much opportunity for root rot if you ask me. Kratky is fine for seedlings, but past week 3 I think it makes sense to move to a different method/medium. I left the air pump on over night. Nutrient strength has gone from 427 to 398, so it's happily eating from the water now! The drooped leaves are still dry-feeling and drooped, so you were right - it was nutrient burn. The new growth is looking much healthier now and she seems to have picked up the pace slightly in growth too. So, unless I see some deficiencies, I'll be leaving her alone for the rest of the week (until 5th node appears, which I intend to top). Roots are still growing like nuts - the tap root has doubled in size over night, so too have some of the side roots which were starting to appear from the basket. She seems to be happy as-is, so thanks for the help! Really hate how EVERY manufacturer instructs way too high doses of their nutrients. This is 2nd grow attempt (neither seed germinated last time, so I'm not counting that one!), and 2nd time I've burned following nutrient manufacturer guidelines. From now on, less is more. Unless I see a deficiency, I'm sticking at 35% of whatever value is recommended. BTW - my pot insulation works really well. Lights on at 6am, off at 2am. I keep 2l solution in the fridge all day. At 4/5pm I draw 2l of 'warm' solution, add 2l of refrigerated solution and the temps are sticking between 18-20c (optimal range). It helps that my air pump is outside the tent in a cool room, and that the volume of air being pumped through acts as its own cooling system.
russrahl
russrahl
@Sven_Lordy, I hear ya. The kratky method is a completely different hydro system from DWC though, can’t really compare them, except DWC is superior...lol kratky depends on your space between your roots and water for its oxygen, and your water level is kept just above the bottom of the roots and they have to be large enough to wick the water up them. DWC stands for Deep Water Culture, and it’s meant to be just that, roots in deep water. In DWC you don’t depend on the space between the roots and water for your oxygen, you basically completely cover the root system in water and inject oxygen into the water instead. Water that is kept at 18-20c is prime temperature for oxygen intake from the water to roots as well, the higher the water temp goes the harder it become for the plant to use the oxygen in the water, no matter how much oxygen you inject. You do leave a space still in DWC, but not until your roots are well established in the water, and even then you only need about 2 inches below the bucket, this is used for Co2 uptake for the roots more then oxygen though. If done properly DWC will blow any Kratky setup out of the water... no pun intended.... Lol DWC has everything it needs over its entire root system at all times if done properly.
Sven_Lordy
Sven_Lordy
Hi @russrahl, I see where you're coming from, and when I took a reading I was actually around 650ppm! I took out half my nutrient solution so am now at 427ppm. 40ppm is baseline of my water, 110ppm is additives and the rest is NPK and micronutrients from the Formulex. So, around 300ppm now of base nutrients. Am leaving everything else as-is and will check for improvement in the morning. What I don't understand about your comment is how on earth Kratky works if what you say is true? The tap root is literally just touching the water at present so I'm not sure oxygen starvation would be an issue. I'm running a 25w pump in a 20l bucket, so am sure I could afford a little bit of off time every hour at this early stage? Anyway, process of elimination... have started with nutrients (absolutely no doubt you're right on that point) and will maybe look at other variables if there's no improvement by tomorrow afternoon.
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Ferenc
Ferencweek 1
Good Luck! @Sven_Lordy
Sven_Lordy
Sven_Lordy
@Ferenc, thanks very much! 3rd time lucky, I hope...
DreamIT
DreamITweek 0
Enjoy growth 🤟😎🍀
Sven_Lordy
Sven_Lordy
@DreamIT, Thanks man!
homerjgangia
homerjgangiaweek 2
Good luck with your grow mate!💪💪
DoDrugs420
DoDrugs420week 3
And then god said, let there be Triple G
DoDrugs420
DoDrugs420week 3
Nice Triple G!
Ezzjaybruh
Ezzjaybruhweek 2
Ya know the good news is that thing has some nice thick roots already established.. especially coming from seed, those look like clone roots!