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Crop King Seeds - 24k gold
40x40x72
Indoor
Room Type
HST
weeks 3
Topping
weeks 3
LST
weeks 3-7, 10
Defoliation
weeks 3-7, 10
ScrOG
weeks 7
Soil
Grow medium
Perlite
Grow medium
11.3562 l
Pot Size
Grow Conditions
Week 2
Vegetation
17.78
cm
inch
Height
18 hrs
Light Schedule
13+ conditions after
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Nutrients
ml/l
ml/gal
tsp/gal
3+ nutrients after
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Ner0z Ner0z
4 years ago
Well week 2 was an interesting one, things started off a mess and got worse but by day 21 on Christmas eve I think we've gotten these girls back on the right track. Day 14 our girls were looking a little sad, they'd been drinking nothing but water since the first feed but are looking a little sad for their age. I couldn't help but feel something was off but I couldn't put my finger on why. The tent conditions were solid, steady 76F & 65-70% RH. Lights still @ 50% hung @ 30". The Promix HP was feeling hard and clumpy between waters so I decided it was time to transplant, the cardboard containers have been extremely annoying drying out way too quickly. As I transplanted I didn't see a good root ball, only the odd root sticking through some of the cube even crumbled away as I moved them but I got them into the 3G fabric pots in any case. With them in their new homes the lower growth was looking a lime green colour so I decided to give them a light feed, 1/4 gallon of 280ppm flora trio very weak batch less than 1/4 strength. Day 15: The new growth looks to be getting a little pale at the tips and the lower growth is looking worse, the girls are still small for their age but I decided to give it another day. Day 16: The Bottom leaves are nearly completely colourless and I still dont like what I'm seeing at the tips of the growth above it. The slow growth continues. Day 17: The trend continues Day 18: No change, no growth I know something is up. I researched a bit and saw it looked like a nitrogen & calcium deficiency... but why? I just fed these girls 3 days ago they should be happy and green. I look to the medium I've never used promix hp before but my gut is telling me my problem lies in there. I decided to go with a stronger feed at around 468ppm @ 6.1 PH with some rapid start. I wanted to test the runoff and see what was going on in there. The runoff of the first plant was showing 6.5PH & 2480 PPM!!! I was shocked. How did this happen? I've only fed that medium once @ 280PPM. I Flushed them all with unPH'd water until I got the runoff below 200PPM (roughly 9 Gallons) and then fed them. Back to the tent and hope we see some improvement. Day 19: What a difference, I had more growth in a night then I've seen since they popped the soil. New growth forming looks great maybe we've righted the ship! Day 20: The upward trend continues I delighted to say. unfortunately the first leaves don't look like they'll be making a comeback. I'm also seeing a little twisting on the the leaf tips of Bill. Looks Like it might be slight nute burn from the transplant feed. I'll monitor and if it continues scale thing down a bit. Day 21: The difference 3 days can make is truly astounding. It's Christmas eve and I've got the Christmas miracle I was hoping for. Also I found something interesting in the basement of my new home, it looks like a really nice RO system that's currently bypassed. I'm going to try changing the filters and getting this thing running for the girls. I decided to keep Shy Di and King Bob in my other tent for a couple weeks purely for experimental purposes. They remain unflushed, untransplanted and mostly just watered. you'll notice there has been literally no growth at all. They dont have a good root ball just nothing good going on there but they will be my lab rats. I currently can only grow 4 plants until my license is approved so I might as well plaay with them until they hit the compost. Also I still can't explain the high PPM runoff, I took a picture of the bucket of runoff water and you'll see its a pretty syrupy brown. Aside from day of transplant I've always watered to 20% runoff. I decided to make a slurry with some ProMix out of the bag. Water in was 189PPM, Slurry was 479PPM. I don't know exactly what this means for the future but I will be keeping a closer eye on my runoff as we move forward.
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Grow Questions
Ner0z
Ner0zstarted grow question 4 years ago
I want to identify the problem. Plants are 12 days old, stunted with some discolouring on the leaves and some purple stems. Leaves curling down. Medium is promix hp. Ph in 5.9-6.1. Runoff 6.5. 1 light feeding done day 9. Lights 30" 50% pwr. 72-76c 72% RH
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Leaves. Curl down
Leaves. Color - Dark-purple
Plant. Stem - Red or purple
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DeadwebsiteBoringcommunity
DeadwebsiteBoringcommunityanswered grow question 4 years ago
Your right. Experience is a valuable teacher.. Also trying new things to valuable but there is also value in letting plants grow.. I think your thoughts about the early feeding are indeed why Dennis has experienced such a downturn.. Cannabis plants use 99% of the water they intake for transpiration.. The other 1% combined with nutrients plus sunlight is what does the actual growing. A key word here is 99% of water is used for transpiration. Plants use a lot more water then nutrients.. I shy away from humidity domes with seedlings because 99% of the time a seedling should be able to intake all the water she needs from the root zone...Doming is for clones period. Sunlight and water bro.. Nutrients are all just various types of salts and sugars and mostly water anyway :) .
Ner0z
Ner0zstarted grow question 4 years ago
So my bottom leaves have gone completely pale but my new growth looks pretty good. They were transplanted yesterday but the leaves were already a light lime. Any idea why the first set of true leaves are this different. Promix hp/6.2ph in. Runoff 6.5. 1 25% str light feed done
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Leaves. Color - Yellow
Leaves. Color - Pale
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The8thChevron
The8thChevronanswered grow question 4 years ago
If your pH is coming out higher in the runoff, it usually means you can increase your nutes a little bit. With that in mind, the first true leave probably yellowed due to nitrogen deficiency. No worries, first true leaves aren't very hardy anyway
Ner0z
Ner0zstarted grow question 4 years ago
I found this is my basement of our new house and I'm wondering if this is an RO filtration system and if its worth trying to reconnect it as it appears to be bypassed. It does have an electric water softener which I heard you shouldn't use but I'm curious what it is in any case.
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Other. General questions
Setup. Other
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AlienScrOG
AlienScrOGanswered grow question 4 years ago
hei bro i wasted some time studying these damn filters ... i think it is an ion exchange resin and / or cationic the reverse osmosis brings the conduction of water to ~ 0 ~ 40 uscm ... i I am satisfied with an everpure filter .. used by Coca-Cola Company and usa army .... microfiltration and some resins brings my ex from 600 uscm to 250... something is needed in the water ... Cal Mag if you don't have to add it ... deprives and tests the electrical conductivity of the water ..... maybe they are used and full of harmful substances
Ner0z
Ner0zstarted grow question 4 years ago
Here we go again. What am I looking at here? Is this leaf septoria? How should I tackle this one lol
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Leaves. Color - Black or grey
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Stonerd
Stonerdanswered grow question 4 years ago
Do you have mold/mildew or some kind of fungus you need to deal with? A good organic fungicide and pesticide you can use is neem oil (according to recommended amounts) mixed with baking soda (1 teaspoon/liter) in tomato leaf water (or water with tomato leaf extract) the neem oil is a good fungicide and pesticide, the baking soda is very effective against fungi, and the tomato leaf water are excellent against leaf munching pests. As for the plant in the picture if you're saying that the diet was different with more potassium than what is mentioned then try checking the pH level of the runoff as well as the irrigation to make sure the soil is in good condition not just the water. If the pH is fine then the next option is Calcium Toxicity which inhibits Potassium uptake - from the looks of your plant it is very unlikely but still possible, to deal with that try lowering your "Micro" dosage by half. Hope this helps! Good luck and happy growing :)
Ner0z
Ner0zstarted grow question 4 years ago
Okay so the problems with the black spots continue only on one plant. I tried reducing nitrogen and increased calmag to 4ml/g. I defoliated the affected leaves and sprayed with baking soda mix. 3 days later they're appearing again. If I don't get this fixed soon im gonna lose her
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Leaves. Color - Black or grey
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TopDrippinPimp
TopDrippinPimpanswered grow question 4 years ago
I had something similar and i found deficiency information to lead me in the direction of phosphorus deficiency. Also to be safe make sure your ph is good and roots are healthy....roots problems can mimic many conditions....good luck.
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Ner0z
Ner0zweek 6
Thanks guys. I wish I could say the extra bloom helped but in 2 days its already come back. 10% of the leaves already showing black necrosis spots. Im at a loss
Ner0z
Ner0zweek 1
I've also picked up an Apera PH60 meter that I'm very happy with. I'm currently PH'ing my water & feed to 6.0 as I've been told proper range for Promix PH is 5.8-6.2. If anyone has an opinion on PHing with Promix HP I'd love to hear your thoughts. Thanks!
Ner0z
Ner0zweek 0
In the OP I meant calmag week 1 & 25% nutes + calmag week 2. Not sure if I can edit that but there it is... also shy, Dennis and Fred are the white widow the rest are 24k gold
Shooey
Shooeyweek 8
Mate Iโ€™m laughing and crying! Funniest diary ever,,, are you in entertainment or something? Shattered for the herm,,, hereโ€™s hoping the others are all sweet. She might have got the shits you kept calling her Fred and said, โ€œwell fuck you then , suck on these!!โ€๐Ÿคฃ
Ner0z
Ner0z
@Shooey, haha yeah mate fred definitely gave me the old "sugon deez nuts". Thanks for the kind words my dude its all about having a good time with you growmies. Stay tuned there's plenty of time left for more blunders ๐Ÿ˜†
Ferenc
Ferencweek 15
Nice result! Well done ;) @Ner0z
Polaskis
Polaskisweek 9
Niiiice work ๐Ÿ’ช
Ferenc
Ferencweek 9
Nice @Ner0z
DogDoctorOfficial
DogDoctorOfficialweek 8
You on a good path too homie ๐Ÿ˜‰ keep it up ๐Ÿคž๐Ÿ’ช๐Ÿ™Œ
MrJones
MrJonesweek 8
๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ‘Hope you have an awesome weekend, Looking great nice, and healthy!๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ’ฏ ๐Ÿ™Œ๐Ÿ™Œ๐Ÿ‘Please Check Out My Diaries๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ™Œ๐Ÿ™Œ
ChickenWing1024
ChickenWing1024week 8
Nice grow dude!
MrJones
MrJonesweek 7
๐Ÿ‘Happy Monday Growmie! Great Update and your Ladies Look Great!๐Ÿ‘ ๐Ÿ™Œ๐Ÿ™Œ๐Ÿ‘Please Check Out My Newest Diary'-All Comments Welcome!๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ™Œ๐Ÿ™Œ
Syrunz
Syrunzweek 6
Looking good
Smokwiri
Smokwiriweek 6
hey, plant is doing good, hope it continues without problems, good luck mate ๐Ÿ’ช
Thumbnail83
Thumbnail83week 10
Lol sounds like all the sht I went through too. They look good though, good luck with the rest of your grow! ๐Ÿค™
Thumbnail83
Thumbnail83
@Ner0z, well the one time I had this problem I was using one gallon plastic pots with amended soil to save time (new baby while trying a perpetual grow) I flushed all the good stuff out with runoff accidentally. Started feeding only super light in weight (fabric pots from here on out) and only 1-2 cups at a time. I added great white I believe I was dealing with root rot from over watering and fked up ph, so I keep a shot glass screw driver and 7.0 liquid to keep that ph pen dialed in perfect. And also realized by 3 nodes they want 3-400 ppm with 5 calmag if it's coco out of the gate with the ro water, and 6+ml of the grow because nitrogen deficiency cause yellowing at the bottom first too and 6.0 ph everytime. I'll post a pic if I still have them of my sour jack this happened to. It will be around Week 3-4ish good luck they r looking great!
Ner0z
Ner0z
@Thumbnail83, my dude i was looking through your diaries and it all looked like good buds to me. How did u right the ship
Shooey
Shooeyweek 15
Bloody good job mate Great diary and an excellent result. Well done๐Ÿ‘
Ner0z
Ner0z
@Shooey, thanks my dude. Was a good learning experience and I managed not to love them to death lol
deFharo
deFharoweek 15
Enjoy the smoke!! ๐Ÿ‘Š
Ner0z
Ner0z
@deFharo, thanks man I will. Im just happy my first indoor wasn't a bust
chee_52
chee_52week 8
Best read on GrowDiaries. ๐Ÿ˜‚๐ŸŒฟ
Ner0z
Ner0z
@chee_52, haha thanks man. If I keep writing these novellas they're going to have to change the top buttons from weeks to chapters but I like to have fun with it. Cheers mate
timbarin
timbarinweek 15
beautiful stuff!! hope you will enjoy the puff
MrJones
MrJonesweek 14
๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ‘Hope you have an awesome weekend, Looking great, nice and healthy!๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ’ฏ ๐Ÿ™Œ๐Ÿ™Œ๐Ÿ‘Please Check Out My Diaries๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ™Œ๐Ÿ™Œ
Shooey
Shooeyweek 13
Very nice Neroz๐Ÿ‘ Youโ€™re on track for a bumper harvest mate!