Part 5 of What causes it, im stuck

There definitely showing new growth, im happy that there growing again.

So it looks like there growing again, im not sure what the rootzone looked like but after it was treated they look like there recovering. It is somewhat of a reason to grow these right now but if you would like to save your plants it is possible. It is the only insect that ive had thats been like that. That took about 3 days and they probably look somewhat better in a few days.

No difference this morning, im not sure how long it takes.

What this means is that if you were to use a product like Safari 20 SG you might need to know exactly how to use it safely and so the only products that may be usable are larvicides or purchasing gallons of hydrogen peroxide 3% and using the 1 part peroxide 4 water parts ratio and id wonder how that would work instead of a larvicide.

Im thinking there almost starting to look better and then I wonder who would put an insect in there like that, it can really bother someone. It wasn't a small thing to do with clone only strains or any garden.

The next day before the lights turn off I didn't see any recovery yet and there were still some fungus gnats flying around but the 1 litre containers look recovered and if those were transplanted im thinking they'd grow large but those were recovering with the mosquito dunks but that was only 1 tray that recovered and the others didn't look like they were doing as well. If I can save a few of the larger containers then that would be great because I can always grow them larger. There is 1 plant in a 2 gallon that actually grew and is looking healthier today then yesterday, so im thinking its possible that drying the containers increases the chances of the mosquito dunks working but if the containers don't dry fast enough then it might not be possible but that was only 1 container.

I cut two wilted branches today and there not drying fast enough to water again with nutrients and I doubt that is going to improve anything especially if theres an infection in the root zone. I don't know what the damage is to the root health from the fungus gnats. The downside to losing this clone only plant is that I don't know what the blood flow is like or what negative effects there are on different seed phenotypes but I can say that the seed crosses that I made are potentially stronger but also I might not be able to use it quite the same because adding Alien OG to anything is possibly going to increase something or change the structure of the flowers in a way that I don't like trimming it or I think its nuts to look at in structure

Theres no sign of health or recovery on the plants, theres additional yellow leaves and im seeing as high as 18 fungus gnats on a square with some being as low 6-11 fungus gnats but usually seeing 1 fungus gnat around. The coco is starting to show some dryness on the surface but also the containers are quite heavy, I was thinking of adding more freshwater that was treated with a mosquito dunk but there isn't a signal that these could recover with a mosquito dunk and would need a stronger larvicide. Most of the information that I was able to read said that mosquito dunks are a preventative and shouldn't be be used during an infestation and would need a stronger BTI and that becomes a very expensive task, its no longer an affordable solution and is beyond what anyone would want to have to spend to save there plants unless there was a financial cushion or they were able to make money to cover the losses. It isn't what I expected from the cannabis industry, I think there should be some interest in where this fungus gnat came from if there in more than one space.

I imagine it like you live in a nice tropical climate with nice weather year round and you might find 1 plant like this in a pack of seeds, of course it had to be a female, the structure of the flowers were right the density and they had size and the right look to them, and the effects of using it were all positive and some the effects might of been better and were useful, no dry eyes or dry mouth, no unsettling flavors, nothing really negative with crazy good visuals on the edibles and a fungus gnat from I don't where its from is the culprit of destroying this beautiful plant that you might of seen once in a pack of seeds and you might of grown it only one year because of that but it is in there and this fungus gnat is the cause of your misfortune.

If I can get access to a BTI that works and the fusarium wilt overwhelms the plants its effecting as of right now i'll lose 17% of the plants but if it effects all of them and they don't recover i'll lose all of them and thats at 3 months since onset of the fungus gnats if thats whats causing it.

Implementing impossible fungus gnats is not a tactic.

The only thing I can do to fix this would be to get a degree in chemistry but chemists have an IQ of 130 and I don't understand at all, and im not even able to replace cannabis with tryptamines so who would do something like that to a special plant.

If you had a few clone only strains that were given to you and this happened, you would be upset about it.

I would think spending more than 3 months on this would be something that id think wouldn't be affordable because you need rebuy the medium and another expense, it isn't a thing to do to consumers to make extra money.

Not only did I like growing this plant, I didn't want to replace the plant with another plant because I liked this specific plant, I haven't had the Alien OG long enough to feel that way but it could be like that in some scenarios and it doesn't mean im using it but im keeping it for a longer period of time than other plants and thats how ive felt about harvesting this specific plant instead of another.

There is a wilting branch on the 2 gallon Alien OG plant and because this was the first time this has happened im going to need a full explanation on where this fungus gnat is from and who put it here because its an attack on my freedom to grow this plant and id think it was to strong to see in the greenhouse industry and if it was put into the medium during manufacturing it would be an attempt to get rid of plants and cause negative emotions to the consumer.

Im not seeing any improvement at all but one of the plants that did not grow all and had green leaves now has two yellow leaves and some of leaves are pointing downwards like you would see with overwatering and I see that on some of the other plants and that could be an indicator of fusarium wilt and one of the plants that had alot of problems with getting purple leaves had two crispy leaves but not on the top fan leaves but the second ones down and I removed those but im not sure if those were deficient or burnt leaves but they looked completely crispy.

Theres no improvement the next day before entering the night cycle. I did see a twisted leaf on one of the smaller plants that was healthy and the 2 gallon plant that was growing somewhat and healthy is now not looking as healthy.

I added another 5 gallons of fresh water that was dunked and if there locked out at all from the nutrients that might do something but if there suffering from fusarium wilt or something else there not going to grow.

One of the confusing parts to this was that the plants that were kept small in the winter and didn't make it because of what? fungus gnats? but only the few that I brought outdoors in the spring had survived but why did they lose all of there growth before regrowing after losing all of there branches and weren't treated at all for fungus gnats.

one of the plants has a leaf where the leaf twisted upside down, hopefully its not a special plant thats connected to the story/deity and only grows if you do something productive with it.

Im thinking that they look somewhat recovered but not quite there yet, it does look like the new sticky paper would need 700-1400 fungus gnats to really say there at any sign of recovery and thats with using dunks. They could recover if the infestation is under control and they don't get fusarium wilt but its also stressful seeing the purple on the leaves that is unexplained.

I was reading that fusarium wilt can cause any clones taken from the plant to be infected with it and that means if were not making seeds from a clone only strain like I did then any dna from it is lost.

They look worse today as in what you would see in nutrient lockout with some of the leaves severely clawing downward and drooping. I added another 5 gallon but with freshwater that had a dunk in it for less than 24 hours but thats probably not going to help. Im not going to feed these plants at all now because the yellowing wasn't a good enough sign of needing fertilizer.

I dunked them again with 5 gallons of nutrient solution but I was reading that you shouldn't use dunks in nutrient solutions but another person said they did so im going to alternate water and nutrients because I don't know and some of the 2 gallons gallons are showing healthy growth on lower branches but no change on the main branches. I can afford to keep these plants with a heater until the spring but after that its an exception to do that and I probably would only use a 4x4 tent at the most or smaller in an already heated space because of the costs but Id rather pay for heat in a larger space because the cold winters do somewhat require some plant life and warmth.

The difficulty on these ones is that ive not been able to grow these plants.

They look the same this morning, I can put them outside in the spring and maybe they'll grow again but I don't what to do if it isn't the gnats stopping them from growing. The heater cost is probably close to 160-200 a month when its really cold and the light is the only somewhat affordable part of growing these plants if you already have a light to use and 1-2lbs of gnatrol is probably the additional cost if the dunks don't work so im feeling pretty unfortunate about these right now.

24 hours later were at around 300+ fungus gnats on the sticky paper with what looks like some recovery on the 1 litre containers but not seeing anything on the larger containers but the male plant is once again putting out pollen sacks on one of the branches so I removed the pollen sack that had opened and this male plant is even showing female pistils and thats how much stress these fungus gnats are causing. It does look like you need a stronger BTI if that is how many there were.

160-200 fungus gnats on the sticky paper in 24 hours and I watered again with fresh water that was dunked but no growth.

I added double the amount of sticky paper than what I used before using the dunks and in a short period of time they already had a few gnats on them but some of these plants look like there going to die from fusarium wilt.

All im seeing now is some additional yellow leaves indicating they don't need fresh water. I need to use more sticky paper and probably buy gnatrol but im not sure if I can get them started on sticky paper and the remaining dunks.

Lights on again and they don't look like there doing that well and a strange sensation at the face, id describe it as somewhat tingly, maybe a cold sensation im not sure.

The tops rearranged but there not growing at all, all of the branching is maroon purple and im not sure if thats normal and ive no idea why the leaves on some of them would be purple but it was only effecting a select few of them. The 1 litres are not showing any signs of being better now and I need to increase spraying to twice per week because of the mites being to strong for once per week and im not sure why they would respond negatively to the spray when ive already used alot of the product and I can't be sure because my plants in the winter that got fried did show signs of recovery in the spring and then I put them outside and when I brought them back in they got fried for some reason. I did water them again on the surface with a dunk that was in freshwater and ive got another bucket with a dunk and fresh but also one with a dunk with nutrients and that means I don't think its fusarium wilt caused by fungus gnats but its pretty sensitive for my sight to see is mostly how im feeling about it.

67 US and shipping to treat 50-100 gallons of water with gnatrol and ive got 4 dunks left.

Some of the downsides to this are that its expensive to restock the coir and rebuy it if you can't reuse it right away and it has nutrients already watered into it, the electricity costs were way to high as the weather got colder, seeds take a really long time to get started if you take into account the amount of time that ive already spent on this, the gnat prevention wasn't that expensive but if you need to buy more expensive products it can be. In conclusion this could costs the consumer millions of dollars and they wouldn't be able to fix it and they may need throw out there plants and start over.

There is more than a few fungus gnats flying around and thats after the yellow sticky paper is almost full and the mosquito dunk waterings so it might need gnatrol using more water but if these don't recover within a few weeks I might clone them again give up but im currently not thinking I can save them at all.

The next thing I did was supercrop them because they aren't responding to any sort of growth but they should.

The fungus gnats are still there and it doesn't seem like the mosquito dunks are enough to get rid of them and the plants are not growing yet, also the 1 litre aren't growing after improving. Im not sure where this type of fungus gnat is from but that is whats been happening.

sprayed this morning and no problems this evening, the leaves are pointing straight up and healthy but I did see a fungus gnat flying around.

no growth at all, only one fungus gnat flying around.

Ive yet to get them to really start growing and some fungus gnats are still flying around but so far ive tried 1 dunk in 5 gallons used multiple times to make the surface of the coco difficult to thrive in but im now breaking the dunk in the 5 gallon bucket to make it a stronger solution and im also adding another bucket with a fresh dunk, so its only been enough to save the 1 litre containers to the point that there growing again but slowly and to make the larger containers look somewhat healthier but im not seeing a spike in growth only the look of recovery but not really a change in size of the plant.

I watered the larger containers again while they were still wet with mosquito dunk treated water again. Im not sure what to do beyond this other than putting them outside in warmer weather and thinking something is wrong with the space.

The 1 litre containers and smaller seem to be doing better, the larger containers are showing some yellow leaves and the 2 gallons seem to be somewhat stuck, im not sure if the spray once per week is effecting it because you'd think the 1 litre plants would look worse.

There were a few fungus gnats flying around this morning, ive got some of the plants growing again but the ones with purpling are not growing quite yet but there leaves are pointing straight up. I watered the 1 litre and smaller containers with dunk treated nutrients again but i'll wait longer for the 2 gallon and larger size containers to respond and treat them again.

I think people would like answering it better under a bar light or an HLG 250 because the HLG boards need fans at higher wattages but you can still can put your hand on them but im not saying there not used.

Its probably atleast 160 to answer this question in October with a spaceheater but less in September and August but if you use a grow tent you probably don't need a spaceheater until the temperatures are alot lower.

I treated them twice with mosquito dunks and that should hopefully be treated enough for them to grow regardless of any noises or purpling and twisting.

28 million years and fungus gnats.

Ive got sticky strips with 4 being in the 90-100 fungus gnat range or about 368 fungus gnats and 8 other strips with probably half that amount or less than 768 fungus gnats.

Im going to try to use the mosquito dunks at 1 per 5 gallon but mostly what it looks like is that somethings removing the nutrients out of the plant and using it, you'd think it was the fungus gnats but aslong as I see purpling im pretty unsure and those plants I brought inside for a few days in the spring that started twisting on the leaves. If its from outer space or its a lost Alien civilization you don't know what to do.

What im not understanding is the strange sensation around the face and why are these plants in 2 gallon containers with leaves that are pointing straight and healthy are not growing at all and the plants with purple leaves are the most stressed looking, I might see one fungus gnat flying around.

Im reading you can use mosquito dunks during watering to get rid of gnats but I was thinking about the nemotodes but im going to see if drying out the containers and the sticky traps are enough if that is causing it but I don't think it is.

When you transplant your clones they grow roots and thats what these did but what they didn't do is grow foliage, there wasn't a fungus gnat population at the time and ive always had a fungus gnat population.

In less than 24 hours the sticky traps got about 200 fungus gnats but there were alot more that were on the light when the temperatures were warmer and I can hear a noise and I know that fungus gnats don't cause purpling and leaf twisting. The sticky traps also work alot better than the apple cidar vinegar.

I setup up some sticky traps and ive got some fungus gnat losses in the apple cider vinegar but im thinking it needs nemotodes or gnatrol but I don't think thats causing it because of the purpling and the fact that after I sprayed they don't seem to point there leaves up normally like the day before so that is an indicator of something effecting them.

The leaves were not pointing straight up this morning and I could hear a noise in my ear last night and this morning, its a pulsating machine noise but its not always there.

I mixed up some more apple vinegar and water with a few drops of dish soap again. It is kind of reading like you need to buy nemotodes or use gnatrol but I don't think thats whats causing it.

I could order nemotodes and buy 4 gallons of 3% hydrogen peroxide or gnatrol but if I can get a no pest strip that would be cheaper, I didn't want to spend anything on fungus gnats because my fungus gnats don't kill plants or slow them down, im not sure where these are from.

fungus gnats don't cause purpling but there is a fungus gnat population and something is damaging these plants that looks fungus gnat related.

Later in the evening they were pointing straight up but this morning it looked different and I think they need a biopesticide but I don't have any, and some no pest strips would probably help but I don't have that either.

All the leaves were pointing up this morning and this evening they weren't except for in the 2 gallon so im not sure what does that.

Its yet to be determined if they can grow or if the problem is persisting.

I did water them again to runoff with the 2ml nutrient solution and a day later ive got them with there leaves pointing straight up and healthy in the large containers but no sign of improvement on the 1 litre and the 2 gallon that were not growing are not recovered.

I sprayed them last night and the ones in 2 gallon that had leaves pointing straight up and healthy are not like that anymore but why is there plants with purpling on the leaves and why are those ones looking worse and how did I grow plants in the 1 litre while spraying and they were growing healthy and then all of sudden look awful and aren't growing anymore. What is the sensation that was in my face and throat, what about when I put my hand near the purpling and could of sworn I felt something. Why can't I hear anything at all in my left ear but sometimes I can hear something and it sounds like a machine but I don't think its tinnitus?

There definitely not responding on the large containers, I removed as many yellow fan leaves as I could but other than that theres what looks like thrip/mite damage, im not sure what it is. Theres root aphids that can do that to plants but im not thinking thats whats causing it. The only plants that look responsive are in 2 gallon. Its really difficult to watch this because its been almost 3 months.

I check on them after the light turned on and even though some of some of them went super purple on some of the leaves from what was causing it, ive got leaves pointing straight up and healthy on the male plant and a two gallon and they don't look as awful for some reason but lots of yellowing on the large containers, if the roots can use the nutrients that would solve this.

You can't tell me these fungus gnats ate the nitrogen that quickly, if you feed plants water treated with electromagnetic radiation they look terrible and its alot worse than that.

More yellow leaves.

Theres been some additional yellowing leaves and I know they've got nutrients in the containers, was somewhat difficult this morning, and probably this evening aswell and its been happening for awhile a strange sensation at the nostrils and throat but this morning id describe it as hot. Not sure what it is doing or why.

I can't estimate the size of the object, if it was large and had enough lift it would leave quite a large crater and id be up in the clouds.

I can't say its quiet enough to do this in a garden space because its to loud.

Some things I don't want to do here is cut the plants and not have the strain anymore, I don't want to have to throw out all of the coco and rebuy it. I didn't want to spend alot of money to veg these out. This looks ridiculous.

Im not sure why the male plant is clawing, I don't why the larger container plants stopped growing after looking like they grew as there hasn't been growth, they did for a short peroid and I don't know how. I don't understand why the 1 litre plants decided to look like there dieing after being able to grow with the fungus gnats in the room.

The real problem is that these aren't my fungus gnats, where did they come from. Thats where im not understanding.

The fungus gnats didn't fly through the holes in plastic wrap so I removed it. They probably need no pest strips but its ridiculous that they were this difficult.

I trimmed the 1 litre plants to see if they would regrow after yellowing but its annoying because I spent so many hours cloning them, labeling, transplanting and watering them to only see them die. I might be able to keep one of the male plants that survived and possibly do a reveg on the phenos but other than that im losing the F generation of it and would need to rebuy it or make seeds from the outdoor ones that are probably showing a different variety of traits. Im not sure if that one plant is going to survive because the fungus gnats are mostly likely doing the wilting and yellowing on the 1 litre and 2 gallon.

Im not sure if these 1 litre and 2 gallons are going to make it but the larger container plants are growing but the male plant is now showing female pistils and im not sure.

The growing tips looks like they did something since last posting, theres alot of fungus gnats flying around. I did before try to use apple cider vinegar at a high strength mixed in water with a few drops of dish soap and that worked sort of but I did also try apple cider vinegar at a very diluted level with sugar and it worked for 24 hours and then didn't work, so I put out some pure apple cider vinegar with plastic wrap and hopefully that'll gather them but it mostly looks like they can damage plants. Ive always had fungus gnats but this would be the first time ive seen them damage plants like this.

It looks like they might be responding again, I can see some of the 2 gallon are ok with there leaves pointing straight up and healthy after the feeding but also it looks like some of the others are not able to recover from the fungus gnats. Im not sure what responded like this.

There has been yellowing since the watering, so I watered again with the 2ml solution even though the containers were heavy not knowing what it is.

It doesn't seem to hurt physically but it is definitely felt but I think it is uncomfortable to stand for long periods..im not sure what that is.

There not growing at all and the male plant is clawing, theres a weird sensation around my face when standing in the room, not sure what that is, can't really grow through it.

Some of the 1 litre plants look unhealthy and im not sure how fast the larger containers are going to grow when there like this as in ive seen the growth but not a fully growing happy plant.

If I do grow them all I can really do is grow some unseeded flower or I could seed them but so far thats been done by a few people, im not sure yet if its enough as in noone has asked about it. If noone makes them, it doesn't seem to flourish in a dry climate.

Large containers are growing as normal but the 2 gallon are unsolved except for the 1 male plant.

It looks like there growing again now, im not really sure what that is.

Watered again, 4 seconds two times on each large container with 2ml/gal AB and pro cal. If the 1 litre containers grew, you would think these would of done better on 1ml/gal.

Im mixing up a reservoir of 2ml/gal AB and pro cal because two of the plants showed some sign of life and growth but the others didn't but they look like they could grow and ive also got some 1ml/gal AB mixed up for the 1 litre plants so I don't overfeed them. They look like something magic zapped them or its the worst fungus gnat infestation. It isn't really that enjoyable to watch this and it is costly now with heating.

I watered today and emptied the entire reservoir today with fungus gnats flying around, that was 25 gallons of 1ml/gal nutrient solution with no growth on the larger containers and that was 2 weeks of watering and dehumidifying. Ive only seen yellow leaves as a sign of deficiency, no increase in green growth like the 1 litre containers, they were happy with 1ml/gal solution. I can keep trying to regrow these plants but im only spinning my wheels if its gamma radiation.

An increase in anthocyanins can cause purpling, that could be from cold or something similar to UV radiation? possibly a gamma ray, its a form of electromagnetic radiation so it shows a similar effect but when growing healthy these plants do not purple on the leaves until its cold and it is not.

There isn't any growth on the larger containers yet and they don't really look any better, but the 1 litre containers are growing slowly with healthy dark green leaves and the 1 male plant in a 2 gallon is growing but slowly but looks healthy. There has been some yellow leaves appearing on the larger containers after feeding the 1ml/gal AB 1ml/gal Pro Cal and that is expected because they usually use 2ml/gal AB and Pro Cal. Im not really sure why theres purpling on some of these leaves because its 79.9F. If they grow in the 1 litre, they should grow in the larger container and the garden weed plants that were in the coco that I purchased are growing healthy, there not being weeded im watching them grow.

They look like there able to grow again, I didn't spray the product I was using today because it could be copying what im doing as a friendly gesture, it is the same product bottle of product that I used in the winter previous and it was healthy when I was using that for a long time, it couldn't of been that. What caused the male flowers to stress and show, what caused the drooping? I don't know. The purpling? no idea, the curled and under leaves making a fold and clawing on some plants and some of the leaves but not all? no clue at all.

Im not sure why they appear as though there growing in slow mo at the growth tips but it looks like they are able to increase in size but very slowly. Im not increasing the nutrient solution strength until im sure there growing again. It looks like the 2 gallons are effected by fungus gnats but when I pulled the rootball apart last time, there weren't any fungus gnats and the roots were healthy.

After a few hours with the light being on some of the larger container plants are showing a life sign again, the 1 litre containers are looking ok but are receiving not alot of light but the 2 gallons don't look that great, its not any spraying ive been doing because the plants wouldn't of shown regrowth. Its something that would happen to a cornfield not my plants but it is happening to my plants.

No growth at all, they look worse, the male plant that was regrowing and healthy looks somewhat burnt today. Not sure what happened overnight.

They didn't really look like they grew a 1/4" or a 1/2" but the leaves don't look like they couldn't grow but ive definitely seen some growth on the plants that were topped along time ago but not alot and the male plant but very slow, these should be able to grow to full size plants but if there not all I could do is reclone them at some point and give up on it, if there that slow to start. The last time these plants grew at a normal speed was 2 months ago when they were small and then July 27th and whats wrong with them.

They looked ok again in the morning, and I added some more nutrient solution so they looked watered but I didn't need to. The male plant is definitely regrowing, so thats good.

There looking alright, the stressed autoflowering regular male plants that I cut the growing shoots off of because they had male flowers, one of those looks like it perked up a little in a 2 gallon but it has alot of growth to do, so hopefully i'll be able to save these but it really has been a real stressful event for these plants.

They looked a little better after the light was on for an hour, but earlier in the morning they didn't. I know it isn't ph..its likely something happening at night, were not sure what it is. There isn't a very good filing sheet for close encounters.

Clawing is too much nitrogen, when leaves change color it is generally a lack of potassium especially in flowering, or the ph is out of a favorable range. .1 ph is a big difference for plants.

The only hints are purple on the leaves and twisting under or a claw but no nutrients that could do it.

They look frozen in time and locked out unable to grow.