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Week 1. Vegetation
7 years ago
17.78 cm
20 hrs
22 °C
6
No Smell
40 %
22 °C
22 °C
21 °C
38 L
Nutrients 4
TriPart Grow - Terra Aquatica
TriPart Grow 1.321 mll
TriPart Micro - Terra Aquatica
TriPart Micro 1.321 mll
TriPart Bloom - Terra Aquatica
TriPart Bloom 1.321 mll
Ok everyone, I know you can't clone autoflowers, especially when in flower like this plant was (see my other diary). It's all over the web. However, I could not find a photo or log of anyone that tried. If you followed my last/first diary, you know I destroyed my very 1st grow which was a Tangerine Dream autoflower that hit 5 feet in height. I took a few small branches, trimmed them and planted them in wet rockwool cubes. It took two weeks, but a root formed in each. So now they are growing in nute solution and as you can see below, roots have formed. Because they were in water for 2 weeks, the largest leaves turned yellow. I trimmed those and also topped the plants since they were trying to grow the smallest colas I had ever seen. At half strength solution, I still have a little burn. I just watered the solution down some more. Let's see what happens! 😊
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Week 2. Flowering
7 years ago
22.86 cm
20 hrs
22 °C
6
Weak
40 %
22 °C
22 °C
21 °C
38 L
60.96 cm
Nutrients 4
TriPart Grow - Terra Aquatica
TriPart Grow 1.321 mll
TriPart Micro - Terra Aquatica
TriPart Micro 1.321 mll
TriPart Bloom - Terra Aquatica
TriPart Bloom 1.321 mll
A week after topping and they have both recovered. Plant 1 has a strange bushy top and is growing wider with twisted thin leaves, but she is flowering. Plant two is showing the classic shape of a topped plant and flowering nicely. She started flowering earlier and grew 2 inches since last week. Both are starting to smell nice. These are very small plants. I think they will do ok.
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Week 3. Flowering
7 years ago
30.48 cm
20 hrs
22 °C
6
Normal
50 %
22 °C
22 °C
22 °C
38 L
60.96 cm
Nutrients 4
TriPart Grow - Terra Aquatica
TriPart Grow 1.321 mll
TriPart Micro - Terra Aquatica
TriPart Micro 1.321 mll
TriPart Bloom - Terra Aquatica
TriPart Bloom 1.321 mll
Both plants seem to be in a flowering growth spurt. They are starting to look like normal plants with training and LST. They are both 12 inches tall and 12 inches wide now. The trunk of each are about a quarter of an inch think now. I think they are looking pretty good.. If I would have known, I would have trimmed at least a dozen clones from the original plant!
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Week 4. Flowering
7 years ago
43.18 cm
20 hrs
23 °C
6
Normal
55 %
22 °C
22 °C
22 °C
38 L
60.96 cm
Nutrients 4
TriPart Grow - Terra Aquatica
TriPart Grow 1.321 mll
TriPart Micro - Terra Aquatica
TriPart Micro 1.321 mll
TriPart Bloom - Terra Aquatica
TriPart Bloom 1.321 mll
I believe both plants are in a flowering growth spurt. They are growing an inch a day. I keep adjusting the PH by adding base. I have 2 Kale plants growing in the same bin since prior experience with Kale is that they produce a lot of base (and the family loves Kale). My hope was that they would balance out the Cannabis acid production. If they are, I think they are too small to be having a major impact yet. The trunk of each plant are now a little over 1/4 inch. They are getting stronger. The scent of both plants is pretty strong now. I've ordered a grow tent and air filter that I expect to receive this week. My main priority is to get the smell under control. I also hope the reflective walls will help make better use of the available. light. This was a very low cost COB led, I wish I got something with more light output. At this point, they seem like pretty normal flowering TD plants. When you get the chance look at week one and two, the difference is pretty amazing. When this growth spurt stops, I think I'm going to take another cutting and try to clone that as well. I can't help but wonder how late into flowering the plant can be and still get a successful clone. That said, I still need to get these two over the finish line!
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Week 5. Flowering
7 years ago
55.88 cm
20 hrs
23 °C
6
Strong
525 PPM
55 %
21 °C
22 °C
22 °C
38 L
1 L
50.8 cm
Nutrients 4
TriPart Grow - Terra Aquatica
TriPart Grow 1.321 mll
TriPart Micro - Terra Aquatica
TriPart Micro 1.321 mll
TriPart Bloom - Terra Aquatica
TriPart Bloom 1.321 mll
I went ahead and purchased a grow tent. I think it is helping increase the available light while decreasing the pump and fan noise along with eliminating the odor (with the nice big charcoal filter) which makes everyone else in the house happy. Both TD clones added 5 inches in height. But between yesterday and today, it looks like they may have stopped growing. The plants are thick with leaves and growth. At the top of the plants, I'm measuring 25,000 lux. They seem to like it. Also, in one of the photos you will notice Kale growing. The 2 TD plants were creating a very acid solution that required daily adjustment. In my Kale grows, the Kale was creating a very basic solution. So I decided to grow both plants in the same bin thinking they would help each other out and balance the solution a little more. It seems to work. The kale produces more base than the cannabis produces acid, but I'm going significantly longer before I need to adjust the PH. The kale is a heavy feeder too. So they seem to be protecting the cannabis somewhat from nute burn when I can't attend to the plants for a while due to travel. Just a reminder, these are clones of a TD autoflower that was flowering. These 2 are exceeding all my expectations! Even if they look a little weird.
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BucketBrigade
BucketBrigadestarted grow question 7 years ago
I'd really like some recommendations on pruning or thinning out these two cloned Tangerine Dream Autos. I read a lot that states I should leave them alone, but these two look very chaotic!
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Techniques. Defoliation
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MUDBUGanswered grow question 7 years ago
I would just trim her up very lightly here and there i would not stress her anymore i would add b52 so them buds fatten up and taking sum of the stress off her start defol the bottom a lil here a lil there i wouldnt cut but 3 4 leaves a day nice work✌️✌️👍👍
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Week 6. Flowering
7 years ago
66.04 cm
20 hrs
23 °C
6
Strong
410 PPM
55 %
21 °C
22 °C
22 °C
38 L
2 L
17.78 cm
400 PPM
Nutrients 3
TriPart Grow - Terra Aquatica
TriPart Grow 0.66 mll
TriPart Micro - Terra Aquatica
TriPart Micro 0.66 mll
TriPart Bloom - Terra Aquatica
TriPart Bloom 0.66 mll
It has been a tough week! Last week, I purchased a "precalibrated" PH meter. I foolishly started using it without testing it 1st. My PH was very high according to the meter. So I lowered the PH. A few days later, she wasn't looking so good. I suspected the PH meter. I checked the liquid with my old trusty GH PH dye kit. It registered 4.0 PH! SO I fear she was not able to feed for at least 3 days! IN addition, she is now withing 7 inches of the LED lighting. I have no more room to raise the lamp. Please have a look at the photos. Many of the leaves are very pale green/yellowish. DO you think it's bleaching from the LED? Starvation from the PH lockout? Also, one of the photos shows a leaf with brown spotting. I would appreciate help with that as well. Thanks!
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Week 7. Flowering
7 years ago
68.58 cm
19 hrs
23 °C
6
Strong
450 PPM
55 %
21 °C
22 °C
22 °C
38 L
2 L
15.24 cm
400 PPM
Nutrients 3
TriPart Grow - Terra Aquatica
TriPart Grow 0.66 mll
TriPart Micro - Terra Aquatica
TriPart Micro 0.66 mll
TriPart Bloom - Terra Aquatica
TriPart Bloom 0.66 mll
I've come to the conclusion that the yellowing was mainly the fan leaves, so I pruned most of those and now it seems more of the plant is getting light. In addition, she is suffering light burn on the leaves most directly under the LED. I can't raise the lamp any higher due to the tent and I have no more space to bend branches and colas lower. So there isn't much I can do at this stage but wait. I've been checking the tricomes, they are all still clear. Assuming she makes it past the light burn, I think she has at least 2 weeks left. SHe smells very strong of spice and citris! I just added some new close up photos. Are the tricomes clear or milky? How close do you think to harvest?
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Week 8. Flowering
7 years ago
68.58 cm
19 hrs
24 °C
6
Strong
450 PPM
55 %
21 °C
23 °C
23 °C
38 L
2 L
15.24 cm
400 PPM
Nutrients 3
TriPart Grow - Terra Aquatica
TriPart Grow 0.66 mll
TriPart Micro - Terra Aquatica
TriPart Micro 0.66 mll
TriPart Bloom - Terra Aquatica
TriPart Bloom 0.66 mll
Based on prior recommendations, I took this week's photos using a different light. I'm still not sure if these tricomes are clear or white. You can see the leaves with what I think are light burn. If this is due to a deficiency, I feel I've tried to add almost everything to try and cure it with no luck. Is the plant just very close to the end here? I assume I have at least one more week until harvest.
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BucketBrigade
BucketBrigadestarted grow question 7 years ago
Have a look at my leaves that have turned yellow and red. I've search online and can't seem to find a similar picture. Is this normal due to late flowering in some plants? Is this a nute problem? If I add the needed nutes, will this clear up? What's going on?
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Leaves. Color - Red or pink
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Stickanswered grow question 7 years ago
Hi @BucketBrigade! I won't worry too much at this stage, your plant is ending its lifecycle, she's consuming every nutrients she can, and most of them come from the leaves. This is called "senescence", and its basically the process of deterioration with age. I hope you've been flushing for the last days, because I see many cloudy trichomes, meaning she's getting ready and harvest should happen in a few days. Depending on the effects you want, you need to get 80-100% of milky trichomes for an energetic high (more THC), or 15-30% of amber trichomes for a couch-locking high (more CBN/CBD). So in this situation I'd stop the nutrients, flush for at least a week with plain pH'd water, then enjoy the harvest 😎Hope this will help, keep us up-to-date and good luck for the last days 👊
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Week 9. Flowering
7 years ago
66.04 cm
19 hrs
24 °C
6
Strong
450 PPM
55 %
23 °C
23 °C
23 °C
38 L
2 L
15.24 cm
400 PPM
Nutrients 3
TriPart Grow - Terra Aquatica
TriPart Grow 0.66 mll
TriPart Micro - Terra Aquatica
TriPart Micro 0.66 mll
TriPart Bloom - Terra Aquatica
TriPart Bloom 0.66 mll
A day early into week 9. They must be very close to harvest now. I assume any day now. It can't be more than a week. I've only been giving them both water. So much so that now the Kale and Basil they share the bin with are turning yellow as well. They both smell strong. The shorter plant on the right is wider and I expect will deliver more yield at harvest as the colas are much wider than the taller plant. I think I did a better job training the second shorter plant than the 1st. That said,, in the next grow I will be very agressive with the training. Unlike with these two. Both these plants are now mostly yellow and red leaves all over. Just a small number of green leaves in the center of both plants. It looks like fall is here. I think I could harvest today as all the tricomes are white. But I will wait until the first signs of brown anywhere. Also, I've been pulling many of the leaves off with a very slight tug in an effort to get more light to the few green leaves that are left. The ones that are harder to remove, I leave. I'm assuming they still need them. Please let me know what you think.
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Week 10. Harvest
7 years ago
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This is my very 1st harvest. As a beginner, I have abused these plants, any they just continued to grow. Really amazing. I have yet to try the plant. I'm letting it dry and start some curing. I also plan on fermenting some of it as well. I will report back with final weights, flavor, etc. I think they came out great considering I maimed the flowering autoflower mother that I cloned these two from. SInce I have real issues with the odor where I live, I'm going to cure by sweating and then fermenting. Also, the wet weight below is after some drying and with all stems removed. The plant was dried enough where many of the branches actually snapped. So I might have dried too quickly, but I believe this will recover with the sweat.
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RussianGrower
RussianGrowercommentedweek 17 years ago
It is interesting to observe this experience. But as far as I know, clones have the same stage of development as the parent plant. It makes sense to clone auto flowers in the very early stages of vegetation, if you do it on the flowering period, the small auto flowers all exactly bloom and get micro-growing with micro-harvesting. But again it is in theory! As will be in practice, you can see for yourself. There is a possibility that the plant will become a hermaphrodite from overdose and stress, but it depends on the predisposition of genetics. For cloning autoflowers suitable strains sativa with a long stage of vegetation and if you try to clone a very young plant, so he had time to recover at the stage of vegetation, it is possible you will succeed and you will identify a full auto-flowering clone, a long time ago I heard from friends about such a successful experiment. To do this, you need to comply with the accuracy of the calculations of the stage of life of plants and do everything with surgical precision
BucketBrigade
BucketBrigadecommented7 years ago
@RussianGrower, It looks like you are right. These do seem to be be flower mode. I'm anxious to see what these grow into.
BucketBrigade
BucketBrigadecommentedweek 77 years ago
@Flavoursuk, @PussyWagon6969, @Coopman, @Squirrel_Master, @Dunk_Junk, @Lou_Grows, @iDontEvenGrow, Hello everyone. Have a look at the photos. I have some closeups of the tricomes. Are they clear? Milky? When do you think they are ready for harvest?
PussyWagon6969
PussyWagon6969commented7 years ago
@BucketBrigade, trust me (see my week 11 of Tangerine Dream), the wait is soooo worth it. I harvested my primo cola way to early because I thought it was done and it shriveled into some pretty low quality stuff. I probably dried way to fast but still... the buds I harvested 2.5 weeks later are sooo much better. Also, the one month cure is also well worth the wait. The smells that develop are insane....
BucketBrigade
BucketBrigadecommented7 years ago
@PussyWagon6969, I'm going to upload some better photos in another day or so. The waiting is killing me! Thanks for the link!
BucketBrigade
BucketBrigadecommented7 years ago
@Flavoursuk, Good point. I'll improve the lighting and try again.
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BucketBrigade
BucketBrigadecommentedweek 17 years ago
@Flavoursuk, @PussyWagon6969, @Coopman, @Squirrel_Master, @Dunk_Junk, @Lou_Grows, @iDontEvenGrow, Have a look. Cloned from a flowering autoflower. They do seem to be growing a little differently than straight from seed. No flowers are growing yet, but those are odd bunches of leaves. I already have a little nute burn. I just watered the solution down to try and take care of that. But, they seem to be doing ok otherwise. What do you think about those small bunches of leaves on both plants?
BucketBrigade
BucketBrigadecommented7 years ago
@Lou_Grows, Yes, she was flowering when I cut the clones. She was about 2 to 3 weeks into flowering.
BucketBrigade
BucketBrigadecommented7 years ago
@Dunk_Junk, I am as well!
Lou_Grows
Lou_Growscommented7 years ago
@BucketBrigade, was the mother flowering when you cut it?
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Thegermling509
Thegermling509commentedweek 107 years ago
Well thanks to your experimenting I now know that cloning a flowering auto does work. There is an evident loss in quantity but it does seem to work. Please update us with a smoke report. Also, do you mind posting photos of the root system? Thanks for your contribution to the community!!!
BucketBrigade
BucketBrigadecommented7 years ago
@Thegermling509, Have a look. I posted several photos. I tried to keep these plants small. If you have a look at my previous diary, you will see the parent they were cloned from. She was a monster plant and I needed these to be much smaller. These were actually cloned and grown in 2 inch grow cups to help limit their growth. Next time, I'll use agressive training. Also, these were dried agressively (beginners mistake) for a day before posting the wet harvest weight. The branches already started to snap. I expect the sweat/fermentation will help these cure properly.
Dunk_Junk
Dunk_Junkcommentedweek 87 years ago
She's not far away now! Great work documenting this. One request if I may? I'd like to see a wide shot of her so I can see how tall she is. 👌
BucketBrigade
BucketBrigadecommented7 years ago
@Dunk_Junk, Absolutely, have a look. Apologies for the lighting. For my next grow I'm considering adding additional lighting to the tent just for better photography. Also, there are actually 2 clones from the same auto flowering parent that I have been posting photos from. The taller ended up looking like a barely trained plant with one cola higher than all the others, This one has put most of her energy into the tallest cola. The second plant I managed to train just slightly better. She seems to have applied more energy across multiple colas. They are substiantially fatter than the 1st plant. And overall, very few green leaves left.
OutForReal
OutForRealcommentedweek 87 years ago
Hello ! I can see on your pics that's your trichomes are Clear & cloudy , I would say 50%/50% so your harvest will come soon ! The yellowing phenomenon at the end of flowering is the senescence , in your case maybe an early senescence ! An early senescence is mostly cause by under feeding your plants , I can see than you'r using the same amont of Grow / Micro & Bloom : at that stage you should not , the feeding chart says 3ml Grow 6ml Micro 9ml Bloom for 10L of water but you'r giving them 6ml of each so the nutient "balance" is not good ! If you correct it everything will be fine , but I really likes thoses colours 😍 ! Holp it will help you 👍
DudeGrowsWeed
DudeGrowsWeedcommentedweek 87 years ago
It is because you are getting close to harvest. It’s normal for the leaves to start changing colors near the end. Similar to trees in autumn. Happy harvesting! 👍
StonedWolf
StonedWolfcommentedweek 17 years ago
I love experiments like this! Thanks for giving evidence, one way or the other, to something "everyone knows" Good luck and I am excited to see the outcome of this!
Dunk_Junk
Dunk_Junkcommentedweek 76 years ago
Stunning pictures this week (7) what are you using? 👍
Dunk_Junk
Dunk_Junkcommented6 years ago
@BucketBrigade, Thank you Sir!
BucketBrigade
BucketBrigadecommented6 years ago
@Dunk_Junk, Sent the info via chat
BucketBrigade
BucketBrigadecommented6 years ago
@Dunk_Junk, I'll send the info shortly. The macro lens is tricky to focus. It has a very narrow depth of field. If the surface is not flat and you are close to the subject, parts will always be out of focus. Basically you get the choose which part you want in focus, but not all of it. They are great for portraits with blury backgrounds.
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PussyWagon6969
PussyWagon6969commentedweek 107 years ago
Nice work dude! Just an FYI, I tried drying a sample bud next to my light (like yours) while it was running and it dried WAAAAAYYY too fast. My little branches ended up snapping within 48 hrs.... My real harvest I was able to dry for 4 days total before little branches were starting to snap and that bud turned out to be really fragrant (compared to the fast drying sample). Learn from my mistake, the slow dry mixed with a nice month long cure really does make a difference!😀
PussyWagon6969
PussyWagon6969commented7 years ago
@BucketBrigade, yeah mine was a bit stinky out of the tent... though the smell seemed to subside a little bit after a few days but it’s possible I was used to it. Maybe try using the brown paper bag method? Inside the tent that might help protect it from over drying or using outside of the tent might help conceal the smell... sorry I feel like this is going beyond my scope of experience
BucketBrigade
BucketBrigadecommented7 years ago
@PussyWagon6969, Thanks for that information. I had no idea! Does it smell as they dry out of the tent? I placed them in the tent to deal with the odor that I appreciate but no one else does.
PussyWagon6969
PussyWagon6969commentedweek 87 years ago
Lookin great, can't wait to see the final yield off of a cloned Auto!!
BucketBrigade
BucketBrigadecommented7 years ago
@PussyWagon6969, You and me both!
VT420
VT420commentedweek 57 years ago
I took a lower branch from my TD that had one or two hairs on a very tiny bud and cloned it. It hasn't grown taller but the bud is growing well.
BucketBrigade
BucketBrigadecommented7 years ago
@VT420, That's cool. It's essentially what I did. However, I trimmed the tiny bud/cola that was developing thinking I could force it into a veg mode. The plant acted just as if I had topped it normally. Both cuttings did and they are the ones growing in the photos.
Dunk_Junk
Dunk_Junkcommentedweek 47 years ago
They are doing far better than they have any right too! Amazing progress. Looks like it is a success right now!
BucketBrigade
BucketBrigadecommented7 years ago
@Dunk_Junk, It does seem like it. But it might be too early. I won't call it a success unless I get a reasonable harvest. It will be some time still until that happens.
Stick
Stickcommentedweek 87 years ago
Hi @BucketBrigade! I won't worry too much at this stage, your plant is ending its lifecycle, she's consuming every nutrients she can, and most of them come from the leaves. This is called "senescence", and its basically the process of deterioration with age. I hope you've been flushing for the last days, because I see many cloudy trichomes, meaning she's getting ready and harvest should happen in a few days. Depending on the effects you want, you need to get 80-100% of milky trichomes for an energetic high (more THC), or 15-30% of amber trichomes for a couch-locking high (more CBN/CBD). So in this situation I'd stop the nutrients, flush for at least a week with plain pH'd water, then enjoy the harvest 😎Hope this will help, keep us up-to-date and good luck for the last days 👊
Lou_Grows
Lou_Growscommentedweek 77 years ago
I think you still have a week or two to go brother
PussyWagon6969
PussyWagon6969commentedweek 57 years ago
Still killin it Bucket! Love watching this grow develop =D
PussyWagon6969
PussyWagon6969commentedweek 47 years ago
Wow! What a trip... I thought for sure this was going to be a super stunted plant but its size is legit. Cool to see the growth mutations on those leaves!
Dunk_Junk
Dunk_Junkcommentedweek 37 years ago
Just have to say this is an awesome insight into cloning autoflowers.
Dunk_Junk
Dunk_Junkcommentedweek 27 years ago
Wow she is a weird looking thing! But she is growing! Still interesting stuff!!!!
Socrat63s
Socrat63scommentedweek 104 years ago
Awesome post, been wondering for a long time if you could clone autos successfully. Felt like a pos for mistakenly topping my AK auto while doing LST, so maybe i can salvage the clone... Thanks for the info . 😎
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