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6 years ago
SATURDAY 8/11: It's late Friday night..early Saturday morning..might as well start week 8! All systems are 'GO', and it's looking like I'm about 10-14 days away from starting the flush on WW#1 and maybe EM#1. I'm salivating ๐Ÿ˜ I just gotta get these temperatures down a bit more.. SUNDAY 8/12: Yesterday I ordered a couple of 15.0 UVB 26w CFL bulbs to suspend over the girls that are the closest to finished..try to get them to ooze some more THC for me. Today I started germinating 7 more White White Autos from CKS and 4 more Candy Cane Autos from CKS. They will also be planted in 5gal fabric pots. They will be grown in the veg tent and moved into the main tent as space becomes available. The current crop will be harvested in waves, so I'll just employ stools for the new arrivals until everybody's been harvested from the current crop and I can lower the light again. MONDAY: I'm really starting to see the effects of the heat stress from this past week. So many dead or dying leaves. Temperatures are staying below 90 at the canopy and closer to 80 at the floor during the day..varying between 83 and 87 for most of the day and climbing to about 89 by sunset. It drops to 78-80 for 5 hours of nighttime. That's a shitload better than the mid to high 90's of last week, but the damage, I'm afraid, has been done.๐Ÿ˜ข EM#1 and WW#1 aren't gonna have enough vegetation left to do much else and I want to trim away the necrotic shit before it reaches the sugary stuff. There might be enough lower leaves left alive that I can just harvest the main colas and let the lower regions be for another week of swelling and flushing, but if not, they will get one more dose of tiger bloom and cha ching in 2 days, then two days later I will flush them really well and trim off all the dead shit. Let them dry for another day or two and flush them one more time really well and put them in the dark for a day before harvesting. EM#2 still has a good bit of green in her big fan leaves and will probably perk up and show me some more bud development.๐Ÿ™ EM#3 hates anything above 85 degrees, so I'll probably never make her happy..๐Ÿ˜Ÿ WW#2 and EM#4 don't seem to have been bothered by the heat near as much.๐Ÿ‘ CC#1 and CC#2 don't like the heat at all..but they are killer dwarves and will pull through just fine.๐Ÿ‘Œ I mixed up 7 gallons of ph'd water with calmag, bud candy, big bloom (no nitrogen), and a very heavy dose of boomerang and douched everybody really well. TUESDAY: The crispy girls got a big haircut today. I cut away most of the necrotic stuff on EM#1, EM#2, and WW#1. Buds should stay pretty for another few days...and wow are they pretty! The 3 plants still have enough foliage that I've decided to let them bask under the UVB lights for a day or two between flushes...see if I can't get them to ooze a little more of the good stuff. I moved them into the areas in the garden with less PAR..mainly 660nm reds and the UVBs. I also raised the lights about 2 inches. Pretty sure that EM#4 and WW#2 are within a week of finishing as well. So far, I have 3 new WW and 2 new CC sprouts planted. One WW has emerged thus far. She shall be called "WW#3" unless she earns a nickname. New photos and video clips were taken today. WEDNESDAY: I had a 100% germination success rate with the 7 new WW's and 4 new CC's! They all got planted today, but I ran out of soil (still waiting on Amazon shipment) so I had to plant several of them in smaller pots and will have to transplant them to 5 gal pots when the Happy Frog and Coco Loco arrives. They are in the veg tent for now, but it looks like I'll have plenty of room for them all in the big tent within a week or two. WW#1 and EM#1 got flushed with 6 gallons of ph'd spring water today and will have another day/night to bask in the UVB and deep red lights, then I'll put them in the dark for another day before lovingly hacking them to bits. ๐Ÿ˜œ EM#2 isn't quite ready yet..various up-close looks at her 14" cola told me that she still has time..probably only about 20-30% cloudy trichromes now, so more Cha Ching for her tomorrow! EM#4 is in a hurry to finish..betting tomorrow will be her last nutrient dose. EM#3 is a slow-poke..maybe two more weeks or more to fully fatten her up. CC#1 is gonna be a quick one for sure..maybe another week or 10 days at most. CC#2 might be 2 more weeks. THURSDAY: Mixed up a 2 gallon batch of early flowering nutes for the CC's and Bush Bitch, 2.5 gallons of late flowering nutes for WW#2, EM#4.. and I decided that EM#2 just isn't ready yet, so she got late flowering nutes as well. The pots on WW#1 and EM#1 were still very heavy, so they were allowed to soak up the reds and UV's for another day to hopefully dry out a little more. FRIDAY: WW#1 and EM#1 are still hoping for a reprieve from the Governor, but it's not looking good for them...their sentences are set to be carried out at dawn. Last night they were stripped down and taken into lights-out solitary confinement to await their execution. They were given no last meal and when asked if they had any final requests, they asked only that they be cremated in a series of small fires spanning a couple of months. ๐Ÿ˜
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Silverback_Guerilla
Silverback_Guerillastarted grow question 6 years ago
Apart from saving money on the electric bill or as a method of mitigating higher temperatures. what good reason is there to not grow autoflowering varieties on a 24 hour light cycle? With a limited time to get them finished up, why not be growing them on overdrive the whole time?
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Kaya666
Kaya666answered grow question 6 years ago
It all comes down to personal preference. GrowWeedEasy suggests an 18/6 light cycle but acknowledges that there's no scientific proof autos need a dark period. Now, anecdotally my plant seemed to perk up & look great after a 4 or 6 hour dark period so I choose to do 20/4 in veg & 18/6 in flower. But other growers report success with a 24/0 cycle. As long as your grow space is staying cool & you don't mind the additional electric costs, there's no harm in 24/0.
Silverback_Guerilla
Silverback_Guerillastarted grow question 6 years ago
Has anybody had any luck and/or experience with those RapidLED Far Red Initiator Pucks? https://www.rapidled.com/far-red-initiator-puck/ I'm gonna be growing autos primarily, so not looking to recreate the Emerson Effect, but rather just accelerate growth.
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mad_scientist
mad_scientistanswered grow question 6 years ago
The Emerson effect is by its own means a growth acceleration ! What actually the Emerson effect tells you is that there are to photo systems working at red bands. The one works with the red band and the other with the far red band but when those two photo systems working together at the right ratio you can achieve 10 - 14 % higher photosynthesis rate. Most of the lights have a little far red output so you are basically recreating the Emerson effect but not at its perfect. As far as i remember the perfect ratio is R/FR 10/8 but i am not sure for that. Another way to use the far red since you have autos and you don't want to initiate the flowering is to achieve higher photosynthesis by making longer day times without effecting the regeneration rates at night time ( despite the fact that some growers have a 24/24 cycle at autos ). When you have a far red light open after the regular lights close the plant gets to the night time regeneration mode much faster so you can wake it up earlier. So for example if you were making a 20/8 light cycle you will be able to have a 21/3 or maybe 22/2 light cycle without disturbing the night time regeneration mode. That is 1-2 hours more photosynthesis. You do it by setting the far red light to open for 15 minutes after the lights close and for 15 minutes before the lights open again...I have never used them but i would definitely give it a try ! Happy growing ! ๐Ÿ‘Š
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Silverback_Guerilla
Silverback_Guerillacommentedweek 96 years ago
Thanks man! I wouldn't feel right....I'm not really a "newbie" per se.. Though it's been a steep learning curve with all the available tech these days, I'm pretty sure some of my old 'skills' and experience came into play on this grow..
Silverback_Guerilla
Silverback_Guerillacommented6 years ago
@CRiSPrGrow, thanks man ๐Ÿ˜Š
CRiSPrGrow
CRiSPrGrowcommented6 years ago
@Silverback_Guerilla, all that new tech like taken a picture through a magnifier 0_0 steady as she goes great pics 10/10 thanks for these
Silverback_Guerilla
Silverback_Guerillacommentedweek 46 years ago
Okay, thanks to everyone for chiming in on my question! I've never had this quality of genetics or grown autos before. I think that I just find it hard to believe I'd see any more vigor than what I'm already seeing by turning off all the lights. As you can see, I'm seeing pretty awesome growth now with 24/0. I'm partially concerned that if I go completely dark for 4 hours that the built-up CO2 will go to waste as photosynthesis only really occurs when there is available light for the plants to use. My thinking was that since autos aren't particularly sensitive and wouldn't require total darkness, that they'd consider a sudden/massive reduction in light to be "nighttime." In nature, total darkness is a very rare thing anyway, right? I do have a 4 hour period in which the big blurple and 4 COB's are off, along with the ventilation. During veg, I turned off everything but the blue/whites..similar to moonlight...and during flower, I'm planning to just run the 2 x 660nm reds and the two 700nm reds...Martian nighttime. That is a reduction of wattage from about 2600w (800w actual) to under 100..but hopefully adequate enough light for the plants to utilize the bonus levels of CO2 they get during that period. Reckon that'd be enough rest for them? I want to 'keep my pimp hand strong' and crack the whip on them every day since there are such precious few days to max them out. When my ventilation is off, by the 3rd hour CO2 builds up to 1300+ ppm from the two exhale bags so it really seems like I need to keep at least SOME light on them. When the ventilation is running, I can't get my CO2 ppm's above 1000 ppm. I considered adding a 4th timer to the equation solely to operate my exhaust fan and have it go off every 3 or 4 hours for 1 hour so as to increase the daytime CO2 ppms, but ridiculous temperature issues this summer have changed my mind. (maybe only possible in colder months) Thoughts??
CRiSPrGrow
CRiSPrGrowcommented6 years ago
@Silverback_Guerilla, it's the hardest thing i've ever done for a spliff or two for sure... looking forward to autumn and winter temps... seems like a breeze after what i'm doing man...
Silverback_Guerilla
Silverback_Guerillacommented6 years ago
@CRiSPrGrow, ya, I guess that managing temps, even with LED's can be tricky in the summer. I've finally got the daytime temps under control by adding extra timer and cycling my deep reds in 1-hour intervals, every 4 hours, then on for 4 hours while all 4 of the COB's and the 2000w are off...plus a block or 2 or 3 (gallons) of ice positioned around the garden...floor temps are in the 60's, and at the cola it's about 83-85 degrees. At night, for 4 hours, everything is off except 4 x 12w Miracle LED's for flowering in the corners, and currently 2 x 25w deep red par38 bulbs about 26" overhead..each only covers two plants at that distance, so I've ordered two more. Currently, when the primary lights are off, and adding the ice blocks, my nighttime temps fall to about 78 degrees, so I expect them to go back to 80 when I add the two new lights...so maybe I'll add another block or two of ice....it's definitely a fine line to walk, and a bit of a pain in the ass, but also one of life's most worthy endeavors.๐Ÿ˜
CRiSPrGrow
CRiSPrGrowcommented6 years ago
@Silverback_Guerilla, hey man, yeah so i'm a first time grower, thought the same as you. had an issue which was blasting my young plants <3 weeks with 600W 24/7.... i got a dimmable, switched to 250W, they really loved it. Just switched up to 400 and will be doing 400 / 250 cycles, mostly to control for heat... hope that works... as the flower stage comes more into focus will switch to 400W / 600W again, mostly to control for heat otherwise would do a 600 24/7 during flower. Just because i noticed that growers with fat HIDs got fat buds.
TheBudWhisperer
TheBudWhisperercommentedweek 36 years ago
โ€œThe haremโ€!!! LOL. Looking good dude and must be the music! Iโ€™d echo some of the points made re: light sched. And provide at least a few hours of darkness. That said, definitely get these as much light as you can and results will show. Welcome back and good luck - CKS has treated me quite well the last year or so. ๐Ÿ‘Š๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘Š
ChefDan420
ChefDan420commentedweek 76 years ago
I have a few medical issues otherwise Iโ€™m all thc. Just got a CBD Cream& Cheese from Seedsman seed bank that is good with both CBD &THC so that is germinating as we speak. ๐ŸปHopefully sheโ€™s good.
Silverback_Guerilla
Silverback_Guerillacommented6 years ago
@ChefDan420, I'm gonna order from Seedsman next. They do seem to have their sh*t together, and give away some cool bonus beans. How long does it take to receive an order from them, on average? I've already picked out a couple hundred bucks worth of beans that look to be truly magical, but because I decided to take a a bunch of cuttings from my Mystery photoperiod Plant (Kushpialadocious) and flower them for a couple months I won't have the space until around Christmas.
Silverback_Guerilla
Silverback_Guerillacommented6 years ago
@ChefDan420, Don't get me wrong...I have more than my fair share of medical issues, but as "apolitically correct" as it is to say on a site like this, I've never really experienced any medicinal benefits from cannabis other than stress relief...it doesn't help with my pain and I've always slept like a log anyway...but then again, I've been smoking weed for about 40 years now, so maybe I just don't remember how well I slept before.. and maybe I'd be ailing more if not smoking weed for 40 years?? ๐Ÿ˜
ChefDan420
ChefDan420commentedweek 106 years ago
Bravo ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿป๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿป๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿป Good job ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ๐ŸŒฌ๏ธ๐ŸŒฒ๐ŸŒฌ๏ธ๐ŸŒฒ๐ŸŒฌ๏ธ๐ŸŒฒ, well done
Silverback_Guerilla
Silverback_Guerillacommented6 years ago
@ChefDan420, I do feel a certain sense of satisfaction on this grow that I never had before. I have truly grown some kickass quality bud. I mainly attribute the availability of quality genetics and improved indoor stealth and lighting tech these days, but...I'm gonna take some of the credit ๐Ÿ˜‰ I mean, I just decided to start growing again in late May and I'm already smoking my own killer bud...autos, gotta love'em!!!
ChefDan420
ChefDan420commentedweek 96 years ago
Bravo ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿป Girls look beautiful ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ
Silverback_Guerilla
Silverback_Guerillacommented6 years ago
@ChefDan420, Aw, shucks...(kicking dirt with hands in pockets) Thanks man, coming from you, I take that as very high praise. You're ladies always look so delish!
Tkultranewb
Tkultranewbcommentedweek 106 years ago
Wow bro you killed it for your first grow in 25 years wowzer jenkies lol hoping mine do half this good like literally half this good with the royal dwarfs i know they'll be on the smaller side gonna do lst on them not sure bout topping just unsure of myself and don't want to hurt them lol
Silverback_Guerilla
Silverback_Guerillacommented6 years ago
@Tkultranewb, Thanks....I know, right??...it's like technology and availability of quality genetics finally caught up with my imagination and skillset. It's been my experience with autoflowers, thus far, that LST is a waste of time...unless maybe it's an XXL or other auto that is likely to be big and take a few extra weeks to finish. Many of the auto strains have a little more of the Ruderalis genetics present which causes squatty little plants with a lot of side branching anyway, so the LST isn't even necessary. I do see guys have great success with just tieing down their primary cola so as to keep it's height below that of the secondary colas. This seems to cause the secondaries to compete to become the new primary, which is a good thing...more mains=bigger yield. But, usually, because they are in such a hurry to finish, they will produce whatever they will produce.. regardless of your extra efforts. Aside from FIMing them at 'exactly' the right point in time, the only training I do is later into flower just to separate the colas a bit to get better light penetration into the lower buds. FIMing even a single day too late actually seems to cause their growth to stunt...and some strains just don't respond well to anything you try...
Valentino1sttime
Valentino1sttimecommentedweek 126 years ago
Holy shit man good grow I'm growing the same strain from cks and hope I get a quarter of what u got congrats the bud candy really fattened the buds right up might give my ladies some
Silverback_Guerilla
Silverback_Guerillacommented6 years ago
@Valentino1sttime, Ya, thanks! Quality genetics for sure. The bud candy really does sweeten the taste of your buds, and gives extra energy for your girls throughout their life. Good luck with yours!
Garreweedlover
Garreweedlovercommentedweek 125 years ago
Que lindas auto amigo , haz probado fem? si puedes pasa por mis diarios con like jejeje saludos y buenos humos
NastyYeti
NastyYeticommentedweek 126 years ago
Great job man, those are very nice Buds!
CRiSPrGrow
CRiSPrGrowcommentedweek 116 years ago
DUDE OMG FAIRY LIGHTS FOR SILVER BACKS 10/10 sick technique
ChefDan420
ChefDan420commentedweek 76 years ago
Right there with you except only 420 for about 30 years. Canโ€™t say that CBD has given any more medical help, thc always works๐Ÿ˜€ A new girl Iโ€™m starting has high amounts of both CBD and THC. So ๐Ÿป, either way gonna keep smoking & growing ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ
DudeGrowsWeed
DudeGrowsWeedcommentedweek 56 years ago
There is still an advantage of giving plants a dark cycle, even autos. Personally I usually run my autos under a 20/4 light cycle. That works well for me. Good luck!
bobo420
bobo420commentedweek 26 years ago
Good looking seedlings, coming along nicely ;)
Black_Magic
Black_Magiccommentedweek 66 years ago
How was the weed20 years ago ?
Silverback_Guerilla
Silverback_Guerillacommented6 years ago
@TomatoloverBoy,...ya, anybody who I shared Lima with said it was like smoking a Margarita..pretty popular with the ladies.
Black_Magic
Black_Magiccommented6 years ago
Maybe you will find her some day again , sound sweet
Silverback_Guerilla
Silverback_Guerillacommented6 years ago
@TomatoloverBoy, ..it varied for sure. There was some pretty good quality Mexican (Oaxacan and Acapulco Gold), Columbian (Gold and Limon Verde), Panamanian Red, and Jamaican. Occasionally some of that good Hawaiian bud would come around, but almost always sinsemilla. When I quit back in the mid nineties I was growing a very sativa strain called "Lima" which had a very citrusy/lime flavor and must've had some Ruderalis genes because it would flower in 2 months, like it or not. I was able to get 3 harvests a year..growing hydro in 3-liter bottles with rockwool and lava rock procured from a nearby Taco Bell. Back then, getting ahold of Indica genetics required a trip to Amsterdam..always out of my budget. So, you really had to get creative in closet grows with HID and lanky-assed sativas... This shit is sooooo much easier now!
growdoctordc
growdoctordccommentedweek 36 years ago
Playing classical music for your plants. I LOVE that. Welcome back!
Silverback_Guerilla
Silverback_Guerillacommented6 years ago
@growdoctordc,...wrong strains for space glam I think.....but some LSD-25 or Purple Kush would probably really dig some Ziggy Stardust.
growdoctordc
growdoctordccommented6 years ago
@Silverback_Guerilla, โ€œI had forgotten how therapeutic it is to sit and symbiotically exchange essential elemental gasses with my plants.โ€ So had I! My grow room is dark at present. Your reminder has prompted me to sprout some seeds. Is early Bowie to glam for them? Ziggy album is tight from start to finish
Silverback_Guerilla
Silverback_Guerillacommented6 years ago
@growdoctordc, ...well...they get classic metal most days, but classical at night ๐Ÿ˜Ž Thanks, glad to be back...I had forgotten how therapeutic it is to sit and symbiotically exchange essential elemental gasses with my plants.!
CRiSPrGrow
CRiSPrGrowcommentedweek 76 years ago
running CFL underneath the canopy ๐Ÿ˜ฒ if you do we need pics man, that's awesome
CRiSPrGrow
CRiSPrGrowcommented6 years ago
@Silverback_Guerilla, far out, these LEDs is something i need to understand better
Silverback_Guerilla
Silverback_Guerillacommented6 years ago
@CRiSPrGrow, They are actually T5 LED's..they come in 3 x 2' sections with connectors (straight or flexible)..and only draw 9 watts. If they do any good and stay cool, I'll order a couple more: https://www.ebay.com/itm/T5-9W-3pcs-LED-Grow-tube-hydroponics-Greenhouse-Bloom-Indoor-Plant-bar/232639498869?hash=item362a650a75:g:IlUAAOSwhplaZiqu
bobo420
bobo420commentedweek 16 years ago
Nice info to start ;) good luck with the grow ;)
bobo420
bobo420commented6 years ago
@Silverback_Guerilla, yeah, a lot has changed, for sure but I'm sure you'll pick it up instantly. Following for sure and looking forward to seeing these ladies mature ;)
Silverback_Guerilla
Silverback_Guerillacommented6 years ago
@bobo420, Thanks! This will be my first grow in over 20 years... Times have really changed. Killer genetics readily available, affordable and much-improved tech delivered stealthily to your door...and autoflower varieties!!! I used to grow hydro in a 4 x 4 closet using 400 watts HID (MH & HPS) ..always a nightmare to deal with temps. I'm optimistic about all the new tech available and the possibilities!
ChefDan420
ChefDan420commentedweek 126 years ago
Let me start by saying BRAVO ๐ŸŒฌ๏ธ๐ŸŒฒ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿป๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿป On the yield nicely done. The ELL rule is 1. no smELL, meaning your set up is hidden 2. no sELL- self explanatory 3. no tELL- loose lips sink ships. Absolutely no one knows about my girls, GD community is the only place I share because of it being anonymous. That really hard because I would love to show off how awesome my girls are. There are a # of potential problems if not down with the ELL rule. As far as the spin trimmer- I hand cut manicure the โ€œprimoโ€ buds, the spinner used on on every thing else. I feel that all of the trim in the spinner is used for making oil/edibles and I use a little brush to dust out all of the triches. So when used like that, I feel like the only things wasted are your time and efforts by Not using. If you ever decide to try, harvest wonโ€™t suck as much๐Ÿ˜ƒ
Silverback_Guerilla
Silverback_Guerillacommented6 years ago
@ChefDan420, I live the rule and didn't even know it! ..but my wife is my partner in crime...we hide nothing from one another. I actually spent a couple hours last night watching Youtube vids on the how-to's in canna oil, butter, e-liquid....but need to get your chocolate recipe! (and any other tasty confections you've mastered)
ChefDan420
ChefDan420commentedweek 126 years ago
Love growing up until I start flush. Thatโ€™s gonna be a plus for LST vs scrOG, many less buds to trim. Roll with the ELL rule so just me no help. Use a spinner for the popcorn ๐Ÿฟ that helps but still a lot of work.
Silverback_Guerilla
Silverback_Guerillacommented6 years ago
@ChefDan420, ELL rule? This plant yielded like 224g, dry weight. I thought about buying one of those things, but the reviews I read made me think that there's too much waste when you do. However...my first crop netted almost 2lbs, and the next crop will be ready in about 5 weeks, so I think I can afford some waste...and it isn't really waste anyway if you make some bubble hash or edibles with it, right?