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4 Assed Monkey - 2nd Grow!

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LED/150W
VIPARSPECTRA DS350
LED/150W
VIPARSPECTRA DS350
Indoor
Room Type
Defoliation
weeks Technique
Soil
Grow medium
Strain
00seeds2 - 00 KUSH
4 Assed Monkey
Mephisto Genetics
Growing it
Normal
Resistance
Neutral
Ended up with two completely different plants. One is dense, but a little leafy and smells fruity, and the other is fluffier with less leaves and smells like black pepper. The high is similar to my last 4AM grow - a very relaxing body high.
The Outcome
Week 12
Harvest
What's on the scales?
136
gram
ounce
Bud dry weight
Harvested
2
Number of plants harvested
Grow Room
0.74
ft²
Grow Room size
0.45
g / watt
183.78
g / m²
68
g / plant
2.7
plant / m²
405.41
watt / m²
Tastes like
Berries
Fruity
Woody
Feels like
50% Sativa 50% Indica

Positive effects

Happy
Relaxed
Sleepy

Negative effects

Dry mouth
Nutrients
I was using RO water in the beginning and adding this to each watering. Still had signs of Ca deficiency and switched to tap water. I added 1ml/gal in tap water to get the pre-nutrient water to 150 ppm.
This was my second grow with Fox Farm nutrients. I didn't really use much because the soil was providing what the plants needed. I had some issues with low pH from using RO water, so the Sledgehammer was great for getting things back in order.
I was using this because I had it, but don't think I really needed it.
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willistoned willistoned
5 years ago
Overall I like growing this strain. It's a bit finicky in the early days and is very sensitive to high N levels. I started with 4 plants. One didn't make it past a sprout - I think I drowned it after it popped. Another was a hermie from the beginning and I chopped it once it started flowering and showed male nanners. The others were mostly happy but are not the heartiest plants. It's also very light-sensitive. I had my LEDs at about 18-20" running 20/4, and it started burning the tips, despite low temperatures. I didn't do any LST so I didn't have much room, but I raised the lights to about 22-24" and that helped a ton. I would recommend 18/6 for lighting unless you have underpowered lights. Despite having a bunch of issues with low pH and too much light, the plants yielded well. I had a 50% increase in dry weight from my last grow. If you have adequate lighting and tent height, I don't recommend any training for this strain. I let mine grow naturally this time and was rewarded with a significantly higher yield.
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Grow Questions
willistoned
willistonedstarted grow question 5 years ago
All three plants are showing pistils and they're only 7-8" tall. Last time I started LST at this point and the main colas ended up shaped like bananas. Should I bother with LST? What happens if I just let them grow out?
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Experimentgreen
Experimentgreenanswered grow question 5 years ago
If you have enough space for them to grow upwards and still get enough light you'll just wind up with the typical Christmas tree type shape. I don't see anything wrong with that you just might need to defoliate a bit to open up the sites to more light.✌️
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Experimentgreen
Experimentgreenweek 7
Hey willi...i see the mention of Ca? Since you're in flowering and its so low on the plant...would it possibly be more likely to be magnesium ? Just a thought... i was thinking ca attacks higher up and freshly growing leaves? Ive been reading about how many nutrients block each other out lately and its exhausting how they interact with eachother. Happy growing ✌️
Experimentgreen
Experimentgreen
@@willistoned, i agree the plant does seem strong other than the few leaves...and it could be that the problem is fixed if it's not spreading to more leaves. I'm pretty sure a lot of these leaf damages don't usually heal. Ph is something I've always struggled with...it seems to fluctuate so much and have so many things that affect it in different ways. Your buds are coming along nicely so hopefully they'll just keep on that path. ✌️
willistoned
willistoned
@Experimentgreen, I've been doing a little more research and it looks like it might be a phosphorus deficiency rather than Ca. I've checked the runoff when watering yesterday and the pH going in was 6.7 and coming out was 5.9-6.0. There's definitely something going on that's causing it to be that low since my other plant is 6.5 in and 6.5 out. I'm hesitant to do a full flush since the plant looks good otherwise so I think I'll just keep watering closer to 7.0 until it comes back up and hope that solves it.
Experimentgreen
Experimentgreen
@@willistoned, that's true the magnesium can have that weird grid like appearance where the veins one color and the leaf segments another. I haven't had too much use with RO water fortunately my local water is up to scratch...i guess that probably puts a fair amount of stuff already to the plants without having to add it in.
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Med_in_Tropic
Med_in_Tropicweek 6
I have done worse and am doing worse than this but my plants survived. Chances are that you won't set record for yield. I think you can still get good harvest and some sweet med out of this. Leaves are dark green and curly. If you think the soil is hot, spend a couple of hours to rinse the soil. Flushing treatment. Just water, drain repeat a few rounds. Later leaves will curl from over-watering but that is the price. And it is better than leaving too much nitrogen. I was worry about over-water my plant and left the soil hot, my seedling died. You are only halfway through the grow. I would shake this off and focus on how to handle the next phase of buds fattening. And it is a very good thing that you spotted the hermie. Well done! I would not have notice. For me, I learn slow and still repeat some of the old mistakes.
growdoctordc
growdoctordcweek 5
A disappointing development to be sure. I just used a Spanish expression on a very different topic on Insta that applies here and now. It translates simply to “the fight (struggle or wrestle) continues”. It just sounds better in Spanish. ¡La lucha sigue! Better luck next time, amigo
growdoctordc
growdoctordcweek 5
@@willistoned wrote “What happens if I just let them grow out?” Almost everyone loves manipulating their plants into having a fairly level canopy. Some go to the extra labor of scrog. Makes sense because artificial light diminishes quickly. But untopped plants yield about the same in my experience. The side branch buds are smaller, but the apical flower is much larger than the others. It all seems to balance out. If you’re running out of space, super cropping is an excellent technique that takes little time and effort. But no more trimming, topping, or super cropping after flowers declare! Very gentle LST works throughout flower. Best wishes for a grand harvest!
Philindicus
Philindicusweek 11
Nice buds brother they look nice and dense. You have a bit of light burn showing up. If you notice mostly the upper leaves are crisping up not the lowers. I had the same issue on my first grow. Your so close to harvest you can back the light off a bit. Looking forward to your harvest.
Philindicus
Philindicus
@@willistoned,the leaves sometimes look worse for wear by harvest time anyways. At least the buds themselves didnt burn so you definately caught it in time
willistoned
willistoned
@Philindicus, I totally agree on the light burn. I did raise the lights a bit earlier in the week after I started to notice it, but it was too late. Thanks!
Philindicus
Philindicusweek 9
The buds look great. What brand of soil did you use? I'd say it looks like she's showing a lack of potassium at this point and a bit of cal- mag deficiency. The buds are fattening and draining potassium from the rest of the plant. Either there isn't enough in the soil or she can't pull it into her roots because the soil is too acidic essentially you have nutrient lock out. If your having low ph runoff issues you can give her a bit of a small flush with 2-3 of gallons of water then the last half gallon add your nutes. It may help with your ph. The soil tends to go acid as the soil gets broken down by the bacteria. Then let her dry out a bit before her next watering. Looks like you have a few more weeks left. Sometimes the fan leaves look worse for wear by harvest time anyways. Looks like your going to have some high quality buds to smoke when your done.
willistoned
willistoned
@Philindicus, thanks for the tips! I'm growing in something called Fort Lite by the Vermont Compost Company. It's a peat-based soil with other amendments. https://www.vermontcompost.com/products/fort-light-compost-based-potting-soil/. It was pretty hot for my young autos and they were showing signs of N-tox from early on. The buds do look good, so I'm hoping I can solve it soon. Thankfully I didn't do any defoliation, so there are plenty of leaves to sacrifice before harvest. I did a small flush three days ago w/out nutrients and the pots are already light so I'm going to do another one tonight and add a very light bloom feeding with the Cal-Mag. The damage has been done, but I think I've got it under control.
Experimentgreen
Experimentgreenweek 5
The plants are looking nice. I love those tan pots, are they smart pots? I don't know if you ever do outdoor but i heard those tan ones are a great help with keeping things a little cooler when the temps get intense. I think i might switch to those this season.✌️
willistoned
willistoned
@Experimentgreen, thanks! The pots are Vivosun 3 Gal fabric pots. I don't grow outdoors but I've heard the same thing about the tan fabric pots. This is my second grow with them and I like them a lot.
Experimentgreen
Experimentgreenweek 12
Gorgeous. The plant looks gorgeous. I'm always so jealous of everyone gaining that end of flower coloring...regardless of it's connection to starving a plant or anything else. I just love the colors.🧡❤️
Wachsemilian
Wachsemilianweek 11
that´s what i call a fat bud dude congrats😎
goodgrow
goodgrowweek 11
Congrats on getting to the end and seeing through all the problems! Nice looking buds that have forgiven you :-)
Denzul
Denzulweek 10
Shes packing on some fat buds. Congrats on the beautiful lady. Keep doing what your doing and best of luck the rest of the way.
Philindicus
Philindicusweek 10
They're getting there! Looks like they are pulling the nutrients out of the leaves naturally which is good. Since you don't like to flush you can try to remove a few larger fan leaves from the lower areas of your plant thats near harvest. It will force it to canibalise the nutrients from the upper leaves closer to the buds which it is already doing.
growdoctordc
growdoctordcweek 8
“...The plant showing the deficiency in the leaves is the one that has the fattest, frostiest buds...” You just never know with cannabis what stress will damage it and what makes it more potent. A Colorado grower who tests his flowers had 11” snow dumped on his crop just before harvest. THC, CBD & CBG all shot up. Great work! Enjoy
Philindicus
Philindicusweek 8
It seems a lot of bloom nutes from most of the manufacturers are notoriously low on phosphorus. It seems to start showing up around end of week 6 - week 7 on autos. Some people give a couple of pops of extra phosporus for about a week. You dont want too much near the end or your buds will burn crappy. Check out Canna PK 13/14 you can suppliment with 2 or 3ml to a gallon.
Astroboy
Astroboyweek 8
Daaaammmm
Denzul
Denzulweek 8
Shes looking wonderful! Mephisto really makes some great genetics. Keep doing what your doing and best of luck with the rest. May the ganja garden gods bless your grow.
The_Projexx
The_Projexxweek 5
I really like the structure of this strain , its very uniform :) Keep up the great work and best of luck on this grow and the many projects in your future :) -Happy Growing !
Homegrown93
Homegrown93week 1
Good luck! Will be following
Experimentgreen
Experimentgreenweek 12
Do you ever like to do the defoliation of the bottoms to encourage bigger upper buds? I've always been bad at this and don't do it at the best timing to do the most benefit. Or have you been salvaging leaves because of the loss of others?✌️
willistoned
willistoned
@Experimentgreen, the speckling is definitely from what I suspect was a Ca deficiency a month or so ago. I was using RO water and was either not using enough cal-mag, or the pH was off and couldn't absorb it. I started using tap water w/ a little cal-mag to help stabilize the pH and the spotting stopped, but the scars remain. That takes a lot of confidence and faith in the roots to remove all the fan leaves. Some day I'll have everything dialed in and may defoliate more, but until I finish a grow without any deficiencies or light burn, I'm going to keep them. 😁
Experimentgreen
Experimentgreen
@@willistoned, they definitely have an oddly speckled quality to them...i wonder if it's partly senescing and partly lingering leaf death from a little while ago? I heard about a grower who's "secret trick" is to remove every single fan leaf...i think he just leaves the small sugar leaves. That sounds crazy to me though, how in the heck does it photosynthesize? He must have his process dialed in so well that nothing goes wrong or something, because it's beyond my brain to wrap around that idea. Lol
willistoned
willistoned
@Experimentgreen, the only leaves I remove are dead ones that blocking healthy leaves from getting light. I try to keep any leaves on there that have some green left in them incase something goes wrong in the soil, so the plant has a back up source if needed.
The_Projexx
The_Projexxweek 6
You got yourself a hermie in that room my friend , that picture you have with the circle is 2 giant male banana's lol you may want to consider removing that plant unless your sprayed it with colloidal silver to make your own pollen . Its always a shame to see them do something like that but it happens to the best of us . I hope the rest of your plants are ok and that you don't see any more male organs :D -Happy Growing
The_Projexx
The_Projexx
@@willistoned, I know the feeling brother it happened to me on my Obiwan grow I was not happy but id rather have cut it down then ruin the rest of my plants . thanks for taking the time to respond ! -Happy Growing!
willistoned
willistoned
@The_Projexx, yup! I chopped him/her down the minute I saw those. Definitely not intentional! 😭