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Wedding Cake x (unknown)
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Chernobyl OG (Chernobyl x Headband OG)
Dreamband (Blue Dream x Headband OG)
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TC_Connoisseur TC_Connoisseur
6 years ago
~UPDATED 5/2/19~ Getting back around to this week I received my cheap temporary pH meter to replace my hanna which got wrecked...damn shame...now I have a clue on pH and its not where I want it (7.41pH) so you can see I have added some micro amounts of MicrobeLife Plus-C, Xtreme Gardening Mykos wettable powder, Gaia Mania, Herculean Harvest, and Mammoth P. The reason for this "microbial-cocktail" is pretty straight forward, my pH is too high so I am adding in more bacteria to my fermenter to help boost the overall bacterial and fungal colony strength in my soils as much as possible, hopefully it will self regulate enough. Gaia Mania which has a micro amount of sugars is helping as a very mild feed of 30ml per day into the fermenter, enough to help them replicate, not enough to help them go nuts and over acidify or go alcoholic. I was also utilizing Herculean to acidify my Fermentor so that the blended water would drop pH a bit, that didn't work since I can barely add any to my RO solution without the pH going nuts, I will have to rethink this strategy this week. Outside of that most of my plants are doing great, my humidity and temps are in a very happy place currently but due to the heavy amount of water that rests on the plants from the misters I will have to also rethink that strategy. I finally did the math on my dilution from my hose that is siphoning from my fermenter, I am going in at a 25:1 ratio so the math is fairly easy to do from there. I almost forgot, as I am working on making this an organic as possible of a grow I brought in a handful red wriggler worms into each grow bag, a couple small containers of lady bugs, and praying mantis eggs. I am also going to be growing a mix or culinary herbs along side the plants to help deter any pests that may be interested, the mix will be Lavender, Catnip, Rosemary, and Dill then inside I will have Italian Basil, Thai Basil, Chocolate Peppermint, Spearmint, and Parsley. Finally in the pots themselves I will have some low cut Oregano, Thyme, and Cilantro. Hopefully this cocktail of plants is fairly pungent and keeps most of the nasty bugs and rodents away, if nothing else they will be tasty! - Chernobyl OG (TGA Chernobyl X Headband OG) All (4) are going well, COG#2 is clearly the fastest growing but all seem very healthy and with the exception of #2 which has already thrown its first leaf set out the rest are following suit and should have there first set of 3 started within a couple days. - DreamBand (Blue Dream X Headband OG) This strain is surprising me in a good way with its extreme vigor, I believe this will be my largest plant this year with ease as all (4) have taken off, DB#2 is leading, and DB#1 is slacking but even DB#1 is beating COG#1 -Girl Scout Cookies (OG Kush X Durban Poison) These are sad, GSC#1 is just looking ugly with its curled over leaves and near total lack of vigor, GSC#2 is also extremely lacking in vigor but at least doesn't look deformed...I really hope these have some FIRE nugs at the end of this slow journey. - Orange Daiquiri (Orange Daiquiri X Unknown) These girls are looking good if not a touch pale in color but I am being cautious with nutrients as they are so young and sharing their nutrient with the Wedding Cake which is showing no paleness. Progressing well but the DreamBand may end up over taking them in size sometime next week - Sundae Driver (Fruity Pebbles OG X Grape Pie) They have popped their shells off and reach the surface, they have not opened up yet but they should soon enough. These also do not seem to be extremely vigorous at this point but too early to tell. - Wedding Cake (Wedding Cake X Unknown) Healthy and almost happy, they seem to be suffering from a bit of wet feet at the moment so watering is cut back and I am letting them set up some nice roots! ~UPDATE 4/27/19~ I am starting this week a day ahead of schedule just to get myself on a better schedule. Since my last update I have gotten the Sundae Driver seeds in the ground and gotten most of the Greenhouse set up and nearly complete. I will add a plant update later this week, all in all everything is going well except the one Wedding Cake appears to have been nibbled on by something and the Girl Scout Cookies which are the obvious runts of the bunch, I am a bit disappointed by their growth so far as everything else is thriving, that said I never expected it to blow me away with massive plants but I do expect some incredible buds in the end! ~GREENHOUSE BUILD~ COOLING + HUMIDITY This last week I managed to get my 3 wall mount fans ceiling mounted to keep my greenhouse both cooler and the air in constant motion, getting these going actually dropped my peak day temps from 38+C to 32C, this was a huge improvement but not enough so I also installed 5 misters mounted on the ceiling and that has dropped my temps down to 27C. The misters are also a major help with humidity, my humidity had been down in the 20's, so a pretty brutal environment for most plants, the misters are helping to keep it closer to 50%-55% landing me in a VPD between 15-20, not quite the ideal 5-12 but a lot closer then my 40+ I was achieving earlier this week. I have also put down some cedar mulch, my hope here is 3-fold. First I want the greenhouse to not be a muddy mess with the misters as my native soil turns to hell when wet, second and more important is Cedar helps drive some pests away and the less pests the better, and finally, also most important, is I want the mulch to absorb the water from the misters and slowly release that even when the misters are not running to help maintain a better more humid environment. This last point is particularly important because the misters which are on a timer can only run 6 hours a day because of said timer, its also worth noting that they put out enough water to scare me for mold if they ran all day every day, so running them during the hottest and driest part of the day is the logical way to utilize them anyways. ~PEST + DISEASE~ So far I'm doing ok with pest and disease but I did notice what looks to be some insect bite marks on one of the Wedding Cakes, I also noticed a lot of fungus gnat and fly action around the pots, probably because I've been keeping them too saturated due to the extremely low humidity and high temps which are robbing my soil of moisture too rapidly to let them dry out too much without risking the plants health. That problem is now solved so onto the insects, I was hesitant to use much of anything on them as they are so young so I made a very simple solution of Trifecta, MicrobeLife Plus-C, and GO CaMg+. Trifecta is a unique product I have not used before but have used other versions of the same spray, essentially this type of spray is a fully organic, non-bee killing, non-ladybug harming, soft bodied insect suffocating, mold killing super spray. Trifecta is different in that it contains a hell of a beneficial oil package, just check out the picture of the label, it has tons of oils and extracts to help not only repel the pests it doesn't kill on contact but also help reduce mold spores from going airborne and spreading; if that wasn't enough it also has Isopropyl alcohol to beat back mold and bacteria, and finally citric acid and vinegar to leave an acidic environment that mold cannot grow in...So far it is the best of its type I have used, the reason I'm liking it so much is the aromatic oil package appears to have significantly reduced the amount of insects willing to hang out in my greenhouse, plus a little clove oil smell isn't the worst thing in the world. The other two in the spray, MicrobeLife Plus-C, which is used as a photosynthetic bacterial leaf inoculant is used in this solution because I wanted to make sure that if any bacteria did survive the spray, then I want it to be my bacteria. The CaMg+ is in there because I can't stand not utilizing some micronutrients in every spray if I have the choice, also my preferred Seaweed extract was not on hand at the time so I improvised. Also worth noting that 100% of my water contains a very diluted worm casting tea in solution. ~Spray Recipe~ 1gal (3.8L) worm casting water (~20:1-30:1) 2oz(60ml) Trifecta 1/2oz(15ml) MicrobeLife Plus-C 1/2tsp(2.5ml) CaMg+ One final note I have my UV-C lights up, I am not sure they will be sufficient as they were meant for a much much smaller indoor grow tent but I don't see the harm in putting them up. As a side not for anyone looking to use UV-C, do yourself a favor and get UV-C protective glasses and only enter the room while activate if you absolutely must, I make it a point to never be in the room while they are on unless I am checking them for maintenance for a total of 30 seconds. ~WATER SYSTEM~ My watering system starts with some pretty hard tap water heavy in Chloramine, I run this through (1) Carbon Block Filter rated 2gal per minute, that then going into my main hose tree inside of the greenhouse, where it is then split into (4) directions on a timer or manual setting via switch. Direction 1) goes to my misters, I really need a calcium inhibitor filter but that will come later, this runs for 6 hours in the peak heat of the day. Direction 2) goes to no where, planned for automated irrigation in the event I'm not around for an extended time. Direction 3) goes to another Carbon Block filter giving me 4gal per minute of combined 100% chloramine free water that then is fed by a Venturi siphon in the worm casting tea fermenter. Direction 4) this goes to my stealth RO system which feeds the fermenter, there is also an accessory low flow water from this incase I need small amounts of clean water. As you can see the water is barely getting softened at all, in fact the incoming water is at 0.95ec, but hopefully that will be ok in the long run because it is an organic soil system. Also I hate to see RO discharge water wasted so I have it feeding a tree outside of my greenhouse just to say I'm being more sustainable. I have also added a flow meter onto my hose to keep track of my water use to keep things accurate and consistent.
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Grow Questions
TC_Connoisseur
TC_Connoisseurstarted grow question 6 years ago
This will be my first greenhouse and dry amendment grow with several indoors under my belt. My expected problems this grow are likely to be insect and disease pressures specific to greenhouses, along with temperature regulation (115+F last year), suggestions are always welcome!
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Mrs_Larimar
Mrs_Larimaranswered grow question 6 years ago
well just lets look whats will come to you. But be prepared for some insects you dont want^^. anf the best is to fight against them with predators, because its no closed envoirement , but semi opened. And yes i agree temperature is a challenge, but you have the big adavatage do have a roof, and a little control about heat, cold and ventilation. I sarted last year in greenhouse and was concerned about the temperatures and the RH. But weed grows under nearly every condition. Ive put them later outside. But my neighbour let them the hole cycle in the greenhouse. His problems e were thrips, mites, and in the late floweringthe humidity. He fought the insects with predatirs that worked bet for it, because sparying does not help... yellowstickers and nematode against thrips. predator mties against russet mites. and ladybug larvae/ladybugs against plantlice/ aphids. Biggetst challenge were lower temps and high th near the end of grow. We gace some airflow and defoilation, but seen alltogether it was successful
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TC_Connoisseur
TC_Connoisseurcommentedweek 16 years ago
Thanks @Mrs_Larimar! That helps out quite a bit! Definitely going to deep-dive into the predator insects, lady bugs saved an indoor grow that got spider mites 4-5 weeks into bloom with no spraying at all, I’ll look into other predators too! Humidity should be easier for me as it’s always very dry out here come Aug/Oct and airflow in the greenhouse is already good/great but a few fans will be added...any experience with small scale evaporative cooling?
Ssomeguy
Ssomeguycommented6 years ago
@TC_Connoisseur, Yeah I did look at it, but at that price (at least here) I might as well do something closer to a greenhouse with some cheap plastic, I do know the colour affects it, yeah. Kinda tricky/pointless setting up some protection when the plants have been growing for 7 months though. And it would cause additional light issues in itself, so even that's a compromise (I mean, I painted my walls white and used white pots because of low light/heat issues). Sure, for future plants maybe, but then again, I'd rather have better plants to begin with or let them adapt, so I just germinated some of their offspring and now those offspring (randomly pollinated yay! Like God and Mary, but probably by something like moths) get to experience fairly temperate dry winter instead of EXTREME summer! Not expecting much, but at least I have some experience now. I'm not kidding though, I've spent about $100-200 on my current plants (mostly soil amendments like basalt, vermicompost, DE and random necessary stuff like pots and some equipment/perishables), but excluding water (which I minimize usage of), time, effort and now drying electricity costs (mostly just a fan). Much of that I wouldn't (have to) buy again. Of those initial 36 plants from random seeds (most males were chopped and a few from pots moved indoors), 24 are female, 1 clone (from a flowering plant, just to test), not a single autoflower (which are ridiculously easy to grow but have their genetic drawbacks, judging by a friend's plants), with another 27 seedlings going well and another 20 or so just germinated from my current flowering plants. Unfortunately though, due to the heavy environmental stress, looks like I'm going to have to be quite creative in trying to salvage some of my larger plants. I basically just let stuff grow and see what happens, which has given me a lot of insight tbh (especially situational/contextual) about the plants and environment I'm dealing with, pest issues, diseases, etc. What is really difficult to understand is nutrient/environmental specificity for these plants, since it varies quite a lot between my plants, effects of other plants around them, etc. I'm not huge on trying to control things, but I would like to know what does what.
TC_Connoisseur
TC_Connoisseurcommented6 years ago
@@Ssomeguy, If your talking about the Dry Ice Hash method of shaking the weed with dry ice in a bubble bag then I have done that several times, I do love the ease and yield you can get, but the quality isn't there. I normally use the dry Ice sift for either topical or edibles, it works great for either. You can also dust some on a bowl but its not the great full melt hash you can get from the Ice water method; also, you can't go backwards and use the dry ice sift to then make great hash in the bubble bags with water, there is too much broken down plant material. I like the idea of the normal ice, I'm assuming your talking about putting it directly on the soil above the root mass which would be fine for me since Im putting a 5cm-8cm thick layer of cedar mulch on top of my soil, which should prevent any shock or damage to the roots from getting direct contact with the ice cold water as it melts. I believe I read it in a High Times where they recommend for hydro growers with excessive temperatures in the grow room, but had temp control on their water reservoirs to chill down the root zone to beat the heat stress. I wouldn't go with Dry Ice directly on the soil though as it would likely frost burn some roots. The stones I'm also hesitant about because I know vineyards that love having stones under their vines to continue to radiate heat towards the grapes after the sun goes down. Have you tried Shade cloth? I would definitely look into it as an affordable option and it would help with the heat and light stress...If you do then color is actually important, in Vineyard studies they found that red cloth does increased fruit weight compared to green or black so spectrum does come into play for the plants.
Ssomeguy
Ssomeguycommented6 years ago
@TC_Connoisseur, I'm sure I'll learn something, but I don't have a greenhouse (though looking to construct one or at least something approaching a greenhouse), I'm a noob, almost no budget so my thinking tends to be ghetto. I've been checking out dry ice extraction methods which probably led me to suggesting or thinking of using dry ice. I figured if for instance if I have smaller/younger plants at peak temperature times, maybe some smaller pieces of dry ice + normal ice with a cover temporarily and maybe something like stones around the plants could MAYBE work just before and during peak temp times (plants tend to use more carbon at higher heat too, from what I recall, can't be sure), effort though. Other than that, dry ice is fairly cheap here. 2kg + nice little coolerbox is like $4 (and that's about the lowest value option). Very situational, and I'm just taking almost random guesses, since I'd also like to know how to cool my plants. If I knew my plants were gonna grow as tall (3m+) as they did in the space they were in (60cm), I'd have definitely done some more preventative stuff (such as topping and a bigass cover), but I was worried about additional stress, couldn't really afford much and I can't do that at this stage. I've had terrible light/heat stress issues (not enough light early/late, too bright midday, same for heat, think boosted african sunlight in midsummer but only midday...and then all kinds of random weather), they're uncovered, etc, which has made them susceptible to all kinds of crap. Mostly been observational and reactionary (since I kinda want the plants, which are pretty much random, to adapt), with some sort of conservative approach in terms of trying to prevent what I could (or knew about), lots of research and stuff (obviously not enough), but since conditions vary so much and I'm inexperienced...
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Mrs_Larimar
Mrs_Larimarcommentedweek 125 years ago
hi i really like the Names youve chosen.... they sound great and give ahint to their ancestors.. and you have learned it the hard way thats tough, i would say thank you for sharing yor knowledge, your hopes and thoughts. its a diary i absolutely will read again because of its multiple stuff to learn...a lot of things you mentioned iam not understanding yet( low knowledge about theat theme, but i will come back for reading again if iam reaching that level
Mrs_Larimar
Mrs_Larimarcommented5 years ago
@TC_Connoisseur,that should be that theme ....about breeding, backcrossing stabilizing... that is a big part of growing i havent touched
TC_Connoisseur
TC_Connoisseurcommented5 years ago
@Mrs_Larimar, Thanks as always for your input and support! It is all a learning process for me too, I just try to find the best and most logical answer to what is happening, in other words plenty of theoretical knowledge but still working on the practical side every day. I'm not sure what part your talking about with the "Theat theme", assuming a typo there but if you clarify I might be able to point you in a direction to do some research of your own.
Mrs_Larimar
Mrs_Larimarcommentedweek 36 years ago
Omgoood, hard working Guy, it looks marvellous, very nice Growing site, and very well prepared, thy for sharing that informative and detailed diary
Mrs_Larimar
Mrs_Larimarcommented6 years ago
@TC_Connoisseur,just let her grow, either she change s(most time they do) or she stays a little weirerd. i wont be concerned at that stage
TC_Connoisseur
TC_Connoisseurcommented6 years ago
@Mrs_Larimar, Thanks! It's been fun getting out in a greenhouse for the first time, a lot more room to work compared to indoor so the layout has been fairly fun and easy so far. I have found some adjustments to make this week, you can read those up in the update for today ( 5/2/19 ). P.S. Have you ever seen anything that the GSC with the tiny curled in leaves? it is a first to me and it makes me wonder if the plant isn't going to grow like that forever...
Mrs_Larimar
Mrs_Larimarcommentedweek 26 years ago
Hello. woooow........ very nice Pictures at the first to mention especially the one with your light setup....... and second very nice and detailed descriptions and reciepes.....i like it very much the way you are prepared , and your plans become reality... just the best whishes for your grow
TC_Connoisseur
TC_Connoisseurcommented6 years ago
@Mrs_Larimar, Thanks, I just wish I had known of this site to document my previous grows! Keep checking in! I'm going to do my best to do updates once or twice a week and I have a lot more setup left to do...RO for my Tea Brewer was just set up yesterday, hopefully I will have some new pictures of that up in a few days!
Mrs_Larimar
Mrs_Larimarcommentedweek 56 years ago
Thy for sharing your Knowledge and writing it down , so easily to read...
Mrs_Larimar
Mrs_Larimarcommentedweek 16 years ago
It was a great outdoor year last year, but not long enough for all plants to finish, my neighbour, used the greenhouse and could let them stand until they were finished. had to harvest sooner because of rain. He got humidity probs too , but not as bad as me
Mrs_Larimar
Mrs_Larimarcommentedweek 16 years ago
Tha should mean high rh....... Yes a greenhouse is a good option if you have sun and Shadow dring the day, Iven in springtime i love it to put my girls inside. They do well with the temperatures/ cahngeing temps, its a nice kind of growing. But in summer it was to hot in our greenhouse and the grow slowed/ but outside too. but you are always well protected against rainiy weeksin the end of growing time, because that the worst enemy for outdoors..... so iam gonna follw up and look
Psilocubensis
Psilocubensiscommentedweek 125 years ago
How was the transplant? The fabric pot is somehow hard to get the plant out without hurting it...
TC_Connoisseur
TC_Connoisseurcommented5 years ago
@Psilocubensis, You are correct, they are really hard to transplant out of, the roots seemed to be attached to the walls of the pot like Velcro. I was pretty gentle and took my time working it out of the pot and I did not notice any major stress, but it took a while. For that reason I returned to white 2gal(8L) plastic grow bags for the “teen” stage before putting in the final 45gal(170L) pot.
3cflJohn
3cflJohncommentedweek 46 years ago
You need more calmag. Add 100ppm I. Next watering
TC_Connoisseur
TC_Connoisseurcommented6 years ago
@3cflJohn, Would that be for the deformed growth on the GSCs? If so I have 2 that are doing the exact same thing, different soil all together so that factor is isolated but I would be more then willing to give this a shot on them, I'll go with foliar first to see if that helps and if so I'll start adding it to the water...I'm thinking its genetics or seeds that were stored improperly at this point, if nothing else one of them has actually started growing normally so there is some hope.
CoastGrower
CoastGrowercommentedweek 56 years ago
That sucks about the GSC hope the next ones will become big trees. :) good luck
TC_Connoisseur
TC_Connoisseurcommented6 years ago
@CoastGrower, Hopefully! If these (2) don't work then I'll just have to grow a duplicate of a different strain. Thanks!
Strife957
Strife957commentedweek 56 years ago
Ur plants look gr8! I like ur setup :)
TC_Connoisseur
TC_Connoisseurcommented6 years ago
@Strife957, Thank you, it's been a fun project so far!
GrowBeforeHoe
GrowBeforeHoecommentedweek 56 years ago
Healthy little plants, detailed comment, nice diary! Keep growing 👍🏻
TC_Connoisseur
TC_Connoisseurcommented6 years ago
Mrs_Larimar
Mrs_Larimarcommentedweek 135 years ago
I missed thsi report about your Journey indeed.......And i hope for the next grow
Mrs_Larimar
Mrs_Larimarcommentedweek 125 years ago
Hi how are you and how are the plants, really waiting for some update^^
Mrs_Larimar
Mrs_Larimarcommentedweek 86 years ago
They all look vigor and strong...... and more than 5 months to go iam very courious
DoDrugs420
DoDrugs420commentedweek 143 years ago
Great job!
DoDrugs420
DoDrugs420commentedweek 143 years ago
Spectacular my dude.