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Girl Scout Cookies
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Chernobyl OG (Chernobyl x Headband OG)
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TC_Connoisseur TC_Connoisseur
5 years ago
~Update 5/16/19~ -Transplanting Day!- Finally I have seen good root growth coming from every pot, now they are going into 12L fabric pots with a mixture of Coco coir and Worm Castings at a ration of (5) parts and (1) part respectively or 83% Coco Coir and 17% Worm Castings. To most of this mix was added Great White dry mycorrhizae at 1ml/L, unfortunately on the 3rd and final batch this was accidentally omitted, luckily I have my Tea Brews so hopefully in the end this won't be an issue. The pots used were purchased online and you can see the brand in the picture, I wanted white pots so I went with a brand I am not used to, and that will likely turn out to be a mistake. The pots fabric is decent quality and thick but the stitching is absolutely terrible and sloppy, it also seems very low strength, I doubt these will last more then 1 or 2 uses and I definitely do not think they could be machine washed before the next run. I put slits on the sides of each Peat Pot, the reason for this is I have found the claim of roots being able to easily penetrate this pots to be total bullshit. I have pulled up too many plants in my soil bed SOG grows wondering why they didn't do as well as they plant next to them just to find out that for some reason that plant kept ~80%-90% of the roots still restricted within the peat pot. I am looking forward to using fabric nursery pots that will be removed next time around. I added 1.25ml/L of Roots Organic Nitro Bat Guano (9-3-1) to each planting hole and mixed it in to the surrounding layer as a booster nutrient. Finally, each Peat Pot, after being slit, were soaked in a solution of 100% Xtreme Tea that has bubbled for 24 hours with Malt Extract to boost the microbial population, and 5ml/L each of Great White Mycorrhizae and Xtreme Mykos to heavily inoculate the root zones. -The Avocados- Last week I was doing so research and ran across an interesting idea about worms and avocados. The worms are apparently extremely attracted to the fats in the avocado and congregated heavily in that area which leads to an increase in breeding, so more worms, if you look at the picture above you will see that this is pretty damn true. The method for this is to get over ripe avocados, cut an X into the side and give a gentle squeeze to break it open and place X side down into the soil, the worms will find it and do their thing. In my area Avocados are cheap, basically free actually, so this is a huge win for me when it comes to growing a healthy worm population for cheaper than purchasing thousands of worms. -Bacterial Analysis- So far this is not up and running yet, I got busy and didn't get my graphs prepared for this week, next week I will not be able to start this either, and to top it off my pH pen I purchased died on me. So look forward to this still coming around week 7 or 8, at that point I should have everything in place to start my trials and see how much bacterial biomass I can create in a Worm Casting Tea situation and hopefully I will also be able to do some soil samples to get an overall idea of what effect these teas may be having on the soil. And finally a plant update. -Chernobyl OG- Middle of the pack is the best way to describe these, not the rockstars of my garden this week but some real potential, I have noticed (1) plant in particular that has a slight purpling on the new growth, nothing nutrient wise I am worried about so I think this may be genetic. -Dreamband- These are my pride and joys at the moment, the growth is explosive and beautiful, much like the Chernobyl OG I have one plant in particular where the new growth is purple, but it is far more beautiful and prevalent that that on the Chernobyl OG. You can see this in an above picture, I have never encountered this but it seems to fluctuate with Temps not nutrients so again I am thinking this may be genetic. -GSC- Sad, very sad...new seeds are in the ground, that's all I've got for now. -Orange Daiquiri- This plant has recovered well from its nutrient deficiency early on, one notable feature of this is the very short and fat indica leaves it is throwing out, I expect this to be a stocky little beast when its all done. -Sundae Driver- The leaves on this one are a bit chewed up, not sure what has happened but I will be spraying at the end of the day, always good to spray during transplant in my opinion. Other than that it appears healthy and has impressive roots for its size, I think I'm going to be happy with this one. -Wedding Cake- Same story as the Orange Daiquiri, it has recovered from its nutrient deficiency early on and is growing healthy. It is slightly faster than the Orange Daiquiri but neither are going to win any awards for explosive growth. ~Update 5/13/19~ Ok so week 5, I've been a bit behind on updating so there has been a lot of growth progress since my last post. To start out you'll notice I have shifted my nutrient scheme pretty hard, I know have the Terp Tea I was intending to use along with my dry malt extract to feed the microbes, I'll go into detail further down. Since changing to the new nutrient scheme my plants have responded very well, I have seen an overall increase in vigor to every plant in my greenhouse I have feed with this. Temperatures locally are warming up which is also helping. - Aerated worm casting tea When I began this journal I intended to use an RO, aerated, worm casting tea blended inline with my carbon filtered tap water to give me a nice beneficial "water-only" source that also had benefits. the aeration was to be done by a large non-diffused air bubble source to avoid micro-bubbles that could cleave and destroying moulds that would form along side the aerobic bacterias I hoped to raise. Then once a week I was to add the Terp tea to brew for 24 hours and water that solution straight. Growth of extra bacteria and moulds would be aided by Brewers Malt extract, which in my opinion is the best possible source for bacteria grow nutrition as it contains everything from Free Amino Nitrogen (FAN) and sucrose/glucose for the quick bacterial and simple mould growth to larger proteins and Maltose for the slower growing moulds and bacterias that can actually break these larger molecules down. As a major side benefit Brewers Malt extract also contains a ton of micro nutrients, here is a link for anyone who is interested in knowing the breakdown of barley malts nutrient values https://www.muntonsmalt.com/products/nutritional-data-sheet/. I feed the malt extract at a ration of 1g/L once per day to achieve a 0.1 degree plato solution, this is a method called Batch Feeding and is generally considered to be to best way to grow and maintain yeast colonies, seems like a good option for any tea brewer. As of today this theory is just that as I am a bit nervous that my solution is going to become anaerobic and possible breed the wrong microbial life, so to address this I picked up a few of my toys from the lab and will now be monitoring my dissolved oxygen levels in mg/L to make sure that I am getting enough aeration and the population of bacteria is not overwhelming the system. I also grabbed my microscope and will be doing cell counts and maybe look into special identifications or groupings, although this may be difficult as I'm rusty with my microscope at the moment. Hopefully I will be able to get some data and make a decent study out of this, in the mean time expect some cool pictures in the coming days. - New Nutrients (Terp Tea) I've had my eyes on this since it was released, I just haven't had the right system to run it. I now have that system, my goal here is to take advantage of good quality rich, organic-microbiologicaly driven soil with this nutrient to drive home the ultimate and purest "organic-flavor" that each strain has to offer. So far the growth I have seen with this stuff is great, my plants responded to it within the week and perked up with much more vigors growth, this wasn't limited to my cannabis plants either, this was every plant in my greenhouse just suddenly seemed to wake up and grow at much faster rates. So far I'm very very pleased with this product. -The bad news So as everything else was going well and times were cheery, the Girl Scout Cookies are still not growing, the deformed one has put out some new twisted and ugly growth, at this point I am pretty sure it has a genetic defect. the second one has literally not grown in 3 week. So I put my last 2 seeds into a paper towel and will restart this whole thing again with them, I am definitely disappointed in these seeds as of today but the other seeds from this breeder are good, very good actually.
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Grow Questions
TC_Connoisseur
TC_Connoisseurstarted grow question 5 years ago
This will be my first greenhouse and dry amendment grow with several indoors under my belt. My expected problems this grow are likely to be insect and disease pressures specific to greenhouses, along with temperature regulation (115+F last year), suggestions are always welcome!
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Mrs_Larimar
Mrs_Larimaranswered grow question 5 years ago
well just lets look whats will come to you. But be prepared for some insects you dont want^^. anf the best is to fight against them with predators, because its no closed envoirement , but semi opened. And yes i agree temperature is a challenge, but you have the big adavatage do have a roof, and a little control about heat, cold and ventilation. I sarted last year in greenhouse and was concerned about the temperatures and the RH. But weed grows under nearly every condition. Ive put them later outside. But my neighbour let them the hole cycle in the greenhouse. His problems e were thrips, mites, and in the late floweringthe humidity. He fought the insects with predatirs that worked bet for it, because sparying does not help... yellowstickers and nematode against thrips. predator mties against russet mites. and ladybug larvae/ladybugs against plantlice/ aphids. Biggetst challenge were lower temps and high th near the end of grow. We gace some airflow and defoilation, but seen alltogether it was successful
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TC_Connoisseurweek 1
Thanks @Mrs_Larimar! That helps out quite a bit! Definitely going to deep-dive into the predator insects, lady bugs saved an indoor grow that got spider mites 4-5 weeks into bloom with no spraying at all, I’ll look into other predators too! Humidity should be easier for me as it’s always very dry out here come Aug/Oct and airflow in the greenhouse is already good/great but a few fans will be added...any experience with small scale evaporative cooling?
Ssomeguy
Ssomeguy
@TC_Connoisseur, Yeah I did look at it, but at that price (at least here) I might as well do something closer to a greenhouse with some cheap plastic, I do know the colour affects it, yeah. Kinda tricky/pointless setting up some protection when the plants have been growing for 7 months though. And it would cause additional light issues in itself, so even that's a compromise (I mean, I painted my walls white and used white pots because of low light/heat issues). Sure, for future plants maybe, but then again, I'd rather have better plants to begin with or let them adapt, so I just germinated some of their offspring and now those offspring (randomly pollinated yay! Like God and Mary, but probably by something like moths) get to experience fairly temperate dry winter instead of EXTREME summer! Not expecting much, but at least I have some experience now. I'm not kidding though, I've spent about $100-200 on my current plants (mostly soil amendments like basalt, vermicompost, DE and random necessary stuff like pots and some equipment/perishables), but excluding water (which I minimize usage of), time, effort and now drying electricity costs (mostly just a fan). Much of that I wouldn't (have to) buy again. Of those initial 36 plants from random seeds (most males were chopped and a few from pots moved indoors), 24 are female, 1 clone (from a flowering plant, just to test), not a single autoflower (which are ridiculously easy to grow but have their genetic drawbacks, judging by a friend's plants), with another 27 seedlings going well and another 20 or so just germinated from my current flowering plants. Unfortunately though, due to the heavy environmental stress, looks like I'm going to have to be quite creative in trying to salvage some of my larger plants. I basically just let stuff grow and see what happens, which has given me a lot of insight tbh (especially situational/contextual) about the plants and environment I'm dealing with, pest issues, diseases, etc. What is really difficult to understand is nutrient/environmental specificity for these plants, since it varies quite a lot between my plants, effects of other plants around them, etc. I'm not huge on trying to control things, but I would like to know what does what.
TC_Connoisseur
TC_Connoisseur
@@Ssomeguy, If your talking about the Dry Ice Hash method of shaking the weed with dry ice in a bubble bag then I have done that several times, I do love the ease and yield you can get, but the quality isn't there. I normally use the dry Ice sift for either topical or edibles, it works great for either. You can also dust some on a bowl but its not the great full melt hash you can get from the Ice water method; also, you can't go backwards and use the dry ice sift to then make great hash in the bubble bags with water, there is too much broken down plant material. I like the idea of the normal ice, I'm assuming your talking about putting it directly on the soil above the root mass which would be fine for me since Im putting a 5cm-8cm thick layer of cedar mulch on top of my soil, which should prevent any shock or damage to the roots from getting direct contact with the ice cold water as it melts. I believe I read it in a High Times where they recommend for hydro growers with excessive temperatures in the grow room, but had temp control on their water reservoirs to chill down the root zone to beat the heat stress. I wouldn't go with Dry Ice directly on the soil though as it would likely frost burn some roots. The stones I'm also hesitant about because I know vineyards that love having stones under their vines to continue to radiate heat towards the grapes after the sun goes down. Have you tried Shade cloth? I would definitely look into it as an affordable option and it would help with the heat and light stress...If you do then color is actually important, in Vineyard studies they found that red cloth does increased fruit weight compared to green or black so spectrum does come into play for the plants.
Ssomeguy
Ssomeguy
@TC_Connoisseur, I'm sure I'll learn something, but I don't have a greenhouse (though looking to construct one or at least something approaching a greenhouse), I'm a noob, almost no budget so my thinking tends to be ghetto. I've been checking out dry ice extraction methods which probably led me to suggesting or thinking of using dry ice. I figured if for instance if I have smaller/younger plants at peak temperature times, maybe some smaller pieces of dry ice + normal ice with a cover temporarily and maybe something like stones around the plants could MAYBE work just before and during peak temp times (plants tend to use more carbon at higher heat too, from what I recall, can't be sure), effort though. Other than that, dry ice is fairly cheap here. 2kg + nice little coolerbox is like $4 (and that's about the lowest value option). Very situational, and I'm just taking almost random guesses, since I'd also like to know how to cool my plants. If I knew my plants were gonna grow as tall (3m+) as they did in the space they were in (60cm), I'd have definitely done some more preventative stuff (such as topping and a bigass cover), but I was worried about additional stress, couldn't really afford much and I can't do that at this stage. I've had terrible light/heat stress issues (not enough light early/late, too bright midday, same for heat, think boosted african sunlight in midsummer but only midday...and then all kinds of random weather), they're uncovered, etc, which has made them susceptible to all kinds of crap. Mostly been observational and reactionary (since I kinda want the plants, which are pretty much random, to adapt), with some sort of conservative approach in terms of trying to prevent what I could (or knew about), lots of research and stuff (obviously not enough), but since conditions vary so much and I'm inexperienced...
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Mrs_Larimar
Mrs_Larimarweek 12
hi i really like the Names youve chosen.... they sound great and give ahint to their ancestors.. and you have learned it the hard way thats tough, i would say thank you for sharing yor knowledge, your hopes and thoughts. its a diary i absolutely will read again because of its multiple stuff to learn...a lot of things you mentioned iam not understanding yet( low knowledge about theat theme, but i will come back for reading again if iam reaching that level
Mrs_Larimar
Mrs_Larimar
@TC_Connoisseur,that should be that theme ....about breeding, backcrossing stabilizing... that is a big part of growing i havent touched
TC_Connoisseur
TC_Connoisseur
@Mrs_Larimar, Thanks as always for your input and support! It is all a learning process for me too, I just try to find the best and most logical answer to what is happening, in other words plenty of theoretical knowledge but still working on the practical side every day. I'm not sure what part your talking about with the "Theat theme", assuming a typo there but if you clarify I might be able to point you in a direction to do some research of your own.
Mrs_Larimar
Mrs_Larimarweek 3
Omgoood, hard working Guy, it looks marvellous, very nice Growing site, and very well prepared, thy for sharing that informative and detailed diary
Mrs_Larimar
Mrs_Larimar
@TC_Connoisseur,just let her grow, either she change s(most time they do) or she stays a little weirerd. i wont be concerned at that stage
TC_Connoisseur
TC_Connoisseur
@Mrs_Larimar, Thanks! It's been fun getting out in a greenhouse for the first time, a lot more room to work compared to indoor so the layout has been fairly fun and easy so far. I have found some adjustments to make this week, you can read those up in the update for today ( 5/2/19 ). P.S. Have you ever seen anything that the GSC with the tiny curled in leaves? it is a first to me and it makes me wonder if the plant isn't going to grow like that forever...
Mrs_Larimar
Mrs_Larimarweek 2
Hello. woooow........ very nice Pictures at the first to mention especially the one with your light setup....... and second very nice and detailed descriptions and reciepes.....i like it very much the way you are prepared , and your plans become reality... just the best whishes for your grow
TC_Connoisseur
TC_Connoisseur
@Mrs_Larimar, Thanks, I just wish I had known of this site to document my previous grows! Keep checking in! I'm going to do my best to do updates once or twice a week and I have a lot more setup left to do...RO for my Tea Brewer was just set up yesterday, hopefully I will have some new pictures of that up in a few days!
Mrs_Larimar
Mrs_Larimarweek 5
Thy for sharing your Knowledge and writing it down , so easily to read...
Mrs_Larimar
Mrs_Larimarweek 1
It was a great outdoor year last year, but not long enough for all plants to finish, my neighbour, used the greenhouse and could let them stand until they were finished. had to harvest sooner because of rain. He got humidity probs too , but not as bad as me
Mrs_Larimar
Mrs_Larimarweek 1
Tha should mean high rh....... Yes a greenhouse is a good option if you have sun and Shadow dring the day, Iven in springtime i love it to put my girls inside. They do well with the temperatures/ cahngeing temps, its a nice kind of growing. But in summer it was to hot in our greenhouse and the grow slowed/ but outside too. but you are always well protected against rainiy weeksin the end of growing time, because that the worst enemy for outdoors..... so iam gonna follw up and look
Psilocubensis
Psilocubensisweek 12
How was the transplant? The fabric pot is somehow hard to get the plant out without hurting it...
TC_Connoisseur
TC_Connoisseur
@Psilocubensis, You are correct, they are really hard to transplant out of, the roots seemed to be attached to the walls of the pot like Velcro. I was pretty gentle and took my time working it out of the pot and I did not notice any major stress, but it took a while. For that reason I returned to white 2gal(8L) plastic grow bags for the “teen” stage before putting in the final 45gal(170L) pot.
3cflJohn
3cflJohnweek 4
You need more calmag. Add 100ppm I. Next watering
TC_Connoisseur
TC_Connoisseur
@3cflJohn, Would that be for the deformed growth on the GSCs? If so I have 2 that are doing the exact same thing, different soil all together so that factor is isolated but I would be more then willing to give this a shot on them, I'll go with foliar first to see if that helps and if so I'll start adding it to the water...I'm thinking its genetics or seeds that were stored improperly at this point, if nothing else one of them has actually started growing normally so there is some hope.
CoastGrower
CoastGrowerweek 5
That sucks about the GSC hope the next ones will become big trees. :) good luck
TC_Connoisseur
TC_Connoisseur
@CoastGrower, Hopefully! If these (2) don't work then I'll just have to grow a duplicate of a different strain. Thanks!
Strife957
Strife957week 5
Ur plants look gr8! I like ur setup :)
TC_Connoisseur
TC_Connoisseur
@Strife957, Thank you, it's been a fun project so far!
GrowBeforeHoe
GrowBeforeHoeweek 5
Healthy little plants, detailed comment, nice diary! Keep growing 👍🏻
TC_Connoisseur
TC_Connoisseur
Mrs_Larimar
Mrs_Larimarweek 13
I missed thsi report about your Journey indeed.......And i hope for the next grow
Mrs_Larimar
Mrs_Larimarweek 12
Hi how are you and how are the plants, really waiting for some update^^
Mrs_Larimar
Mrs_Larimarweek 8
They all look vigor and strong...... and more than 5 months to go iam very courious
DoDrugs420
DoDrugs420week 14
Great job!
DoDrugs420
DoDrugs420week 14
Spectacular my dude.