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Just started putting the seeds into warm water. Tomorrow they will move into wet paper towels to germinate. After that i move them into BioBizz Light Mix Soil, add some nutes and let them grow.
I will start with Living Organics, lots of good Mikorrhiza and bacterias for better root support, add some More Roots to push the roots from beginning and finally some Humidic Acid Plus.
All seeds opened and all 4 looking healthy.
Moved to final 11L pots, one Lady seems a little different, we'll see what grows out of it.
Second week started with pests on one plant. I used neem oil on all 4 ladies and sprayed them and keep on next 2 weeks. Also used some neem oil for watering.
First use of Green Buzz grow nutrition.
As you can see, one lady looks great, two have curly leaves and one had thrips.
Maybe my new lamp was too near, raised height up to 35cm. Actual power is about 120W.
This end of week 3, I actually topped the 2 girls in the back and the two in front were topped the second time to reach 4 colas. Let's hope that works. I'm nervous cause I never tried this technique before and I feel bad for cutting 80% of the leaves off. I took the cut-off, mixed it with some water in the blender and watered the two ladies with that to recycle the nutrition in that leaves.
That week I found some more Thripse, so they got some more neem oil.
When the mainlined girls are ready I will start 12/12 next week.
The Green Buzz Grow Liquid is very powerful, the leaves turned to dark green so I had to stop adding grow nutrition. I propably gave too much of it but I only added it every second watering. Now I know that this stuff is very concentrated and I have to use less of it. Don't get me wrong, Green Buzz nutrition is awesome and powerful. 2ml of grow nutes once a week per plant is all I need now plus some few milliliters of boosters. These bottles will last a long time.
That week I switched to flower and added some Fast Buds Booster. I stopped adding Root Booster.
I reduced Grow nutrition as it seems very powerful and the leaves are dark green under normal light. That teaches me, less nutrition is better sometimes. Good stuff. The smell is also great, smells like fresh plants, never noticed that before in my other grows. Roots are everywhere in the pots now.
As you can see on some pics of week 5 the 2 topped girls developed curled leaves.
PH is about 6.4, EC unknown and I can't measure. Organic nutrition, lowered dose as some leaves were on the darker green side.
I water them about all 5 days with 1500ml water
Your plants definately are clawing I would stop giving them all nutrients. If it was my grow I would give the ones that are clawing a bit of a flush until my runoff ppms were in the 600-750 range regardless of the fact that you are using organic nutes. Then let them dry out a bit before the next watering if the leaves straighten out before your next watering add 1/2 strength nutes. If they continue to recover then increase the nutrients gradually. What wasn't clear was it sounds like you water every 5 days? is that correct? If that is the case what may be happening is you may be waiting too long to water and as the soil dries out the concentration of the nutrients increases in the soil causing the toxicity. I would get a TDS meter to monitor the runoff ppms and ph in the future to make sure your plants are feeding on what your putting into them and it's not building up in the pots. Try to check your runoff once a week. You can either lower your nutes and feed every time or alternate with plain water in between feedings. Hope this helps.👍
Finally flowers are showing, so I count this week as flower week one. That flowers came up fast, I think fast buds booster speeded this up a little bit. And also they developed some claws what I never had before. So I have to find out why. Always excited when growing a strain I never had before. So much to discover and always something to learn.
Almost ready for the ScroG net.
Now all girls show their beautiful flowers and also the smell is now noticeable. It seems I could use my ScroG net now.
The flower took 7 days to show off thanks to Fast Buds by Green Buzz Liquids.
I wonder how organic PK will boost them when they get it from next week on.
And it seems I have at least two phenotypes, the girl front left is different to the other three ladies, the flower is different. She also needs less nutrition, first burned tips show off. I hope I won't blame it.
Some leaf tips seem to be burned, so they got ph-corrected water every second time. Never thought that Green Buzz nutrition is so powerful, 100ml of grow nutrition is enough for at least 8 plants as it seems by now.
Started adding some organic PK nutrition but only half of recommended dose.
Flower looks good so far.
Added two new pics to show how different the flower shows off, I called them pheno #1 and #2
#2 seems to have much more pistils, hairs or stigmas, not sure about the right word. She is also brighter white. Thinking about to cut 2 or 3 clones but I have never done monstercropping.
That week I lowered the nutrition dose after giving pure water once cause all 4 are still well with nutrition. Thanks to PH-powder i can lower the ph from about 8 to 6.3 with urea sulphate. Works great for me.
Still wondering how that special lady turns out. First time I have such a hairy girl but I like it. Does that sound stupid?
And yeah, finally some smell from them.
That week I lowered the nutrition because they still continue to get burned tips. So only boosters in recommended dosage, bloom and pk with 25% of normal dosage.
Smell intensifies now, but growth nearly stopped and I don't know why. Lamp distance was raised to force the girls to gain height.
That week Growzyme from Green Buzz Liquid arrived. This will bring in some kelp.
The smell is intensifying now, From what I saw by now they aren´t huge stretchers, at least when topping and main-lining.
Used the defoliated leaves for the propably worlds first el patron cannabis tea. Tastes nice.
That week was nice.
The plants stopped growing any more and the buds are getting bigger and denser.
Smell is getting more and more intense, the budy are very sticky, and some trichomes are turning from molky to amber.
It seems harvest is near.
Yesterday I gave last dose of nutrition, and next week I will start with Green Buzz clear fruits to push out the nutrition out of the soil and plants.
Asking all the Green Buzz Liquid growers:
What experience did you make with clean fruits? Is it required to use clean fruits with flushing or is it okay just to water the girls with that additive without producing drain?
I mean, normally no need to flush organic nutes, right? 😁
Beeing organic or not, its no fun to smoke Nutrients. Ihave watered a few Girls with the " Clean Fruits" i did not water untl drain... but arouhd 5 litr for a20 l pot. ( slowly) and i cound see a few days later, that the leaves discolouring drasticly... i dont know how it works but it works. And the Grower PharmaZ wrote something to Clean fruits too.....He wrote something like he had eatn a leaf before flushing and after ( few days later) and the taste of the leaf changed . After flush the leaf only tstd like chloophyll iam looking to write it down in the comments
Week 8 of flower, started flushing with "clean fruits" few days ago. Also picked all the bigger leaves out and removed the ScroG net. Buds are very dense and hard, so I will harvest as soon as possible to prevent bud rot. First sugar leaves seem to have tendencies for moulding soon as they started turn brown. I will try to raise the temperature a bit and reducing the air humidity.
They are very sticky and now offering a strong smell. I only open up the tent for 5 minutes and the smell is exploring the whole house. Wife is not amused.😂
Today I prepared them for harvest, so now 2 days of low light with about 70W and only 10h, after that 2 days in the dark, and the weekend they will be harvested.
I decided to let them ripen a bit more cause I want some more amber trichomes.
After 11 days drying was mostly done, so i trimmed one plant at first to test curing. Humidity settled to 68% so I gave them two more dayd drying in the dark at about 18°C and 50% humidity.
After that I reached about 64% without and 62% humidity with bovedas.
The other 3 plants went into jars untrimmed as I went sick. One week later I trimmed the other three plants and got about 210g dried "el patron". They are now curing for at least 4 weeks, but most of it will cure for minimum 10 weeks as I don´t need much at one time.
After now 2 weeks the smell changed a lot. Now you can get much more taste out of these buds. The smell is now lots of haze combined with woody and herbal components, maybe oak-wood.
The budy are really frosty and very tasteful when vaped or smoked.
As I prefer vaping I tried some in the pax 3 and the crafty. Best taste at about 180°C in the crafty, there you´ll get most taste.
For the turn, at 170 to 175°C it is a maximum head trip. Very energetic and euphoric high but very strong and lasts for about 2 hours before softening. Me personally had some problems to speak properly at the first two sessions, that hard it hit me.
At about 190°C the trip is also powerful, but less energetic and more chilling and relaxing high with some stoned effects. But also nice uplifting high. With some good music ( I recommend Nightwish ) this is some awesome stuff to enjoy. Just now I´m in this special mood and listening to Élan by Nightwish writing this test and couldn´t be happier.
About growing them:
First I learned is that they aren´t very hungry when it comes to nutrition. For my organic nutrition line I first used recommendation of the manufacturer, but that wasd too much for them. Next time I wil try half dose until they show signs of undernutrition.
They aren´t fast and high growers, they stayed relatively small under topping and main-lining. I wonder what would have happended without any training. I am sure there is much more potential in yield than my result of about 330g/m². I only feared the height as I think they are more on the sativa side and I didn´t want to risk getting plants that reaches over 130cm in height. But with that training no one got over 90 cm of height.
Until now I found no single seed in any buds.
When it comes to phenos, I can´t really make a difference between them except for the one with the doubled pistils. She got the smallest amount of dried weed, about 12g less than the other ones in average. But the taste is mostly the same, also the turn.
Overall It was a nice and interesting grow, I´ve learned a lot about this strain. The smoke is nice and tasteful, the effect is what I expected but stronger.
I´m not disappointed, no, I am very happy about it. 😁
At harvest day I just cut off the stem and let them dry hanging over as complete plant and will trim them afterwards. Smell is killing me, whole house is smelling like haze. Had a lot of work to separate the roots off the soil.
Thank you both @Philindicus and @CRiSPrGrow for your interesting answers.
I'll take another closer look at the ladies tomorrow.
I water my girl when needles, I feel the pots and their weight, I'll let them nearly dry and give them 1.5L water every 4 to 5 days. My water is bottled, the pH is corrected to about 6.5.
My roots went to the pot edges about day 25, the soil I use is Atami Bi grow. The 2 main-lined had no problems, only the 2 topped girls. They need more water due to more leaves so they get more. But they never sit in overwatered pots.
I use mykorrhiza/bacterias by Green Buzz Liquids as recommended, also giving hinidic acid by Green Buzz Liquid as recommended. So hopefully I have no mold at my roots. So it seems I could need a E. - meter to measure the drain. I have to give them about 3 Liters of water to produce any drain, twice the amount of water I usually give them.
@MarcXL, Sorry I misinterpreted your photos I thought you did HST on all of them my mistake. I checked out your other grows you definately are another talented grower on GD👍
@MarcXL, Sorry TLC it is an abbreviation for Tender,Loving,Care. I'm not sure if it would translate properly it can be a bit of an issue unfortunately since GD has growers from all over the world on the site.
@GreenBuzzNutrients, I used seeds, I know its not the perfect base to compare, but my limited space (as I have to hide them) doesn´t allow me tu hold mother plants.
@Mrs_Larimar,I think you are right, these are two different nutrition lines, one is customizable but you have to know what to do, the other one is use it and forget it.
I just wanna find out if it's worth to use customizable nutrition over all-in-one products.
If, despite the feeding of the basic fertilizer (s) for every second casting (especially in the case of Automatic plants), the plants have a deep green leaf color, the basic fertilizer should be reduced by about 50% but maintained every other casting.
If the tips of the leaves only slightly clenched upward, it is usually enough already from the fertilizer at the second casting (and possibly even in the third casting process which anyway again without N-P-K supply) are exposed once exposed and continued with selbiger dosage. If this is not enough, the dosage of the basic fertilizer can be reduced by about 30%.
If, on the other hand, leaves have deflected downwards, the causes for this must first be adapted to the environmental conditions / environmental factors. Is the substrate ggfl. too wet / or permanently too wet, or is this not regularly mulched on, so that more oxygen and air occurred on the surface of the earth?
Is the soil on which the plants are insulated if it is cold or is the soil temperature not too cold?
Has the earth been selected high enough that it does not sink / sink too much? If one of these factors is true, it can - depending on the species - cause the plant to adapt its nutrient uptake and its adaptation to the most minimal or worst factor that plants practically develop a Toxic Nutrient Enrichment. If all environmental factors are within limits, genetics simply do not consume as much as the average and you should find your own dosage for that variety with its specific nutritional requirements and, if necessary, deviate significantly from the requirements in the Growing Schedule.
@MarcXL, The more you eat the single plant, the better you can control the nutrient supply. Always raise the plants after the first repotting for the first 2 weeks daily, so you can better understand which plant needs which amount and adjust it accordingly in terms of the different amounts of water and nutrients. You can also sting 2 mixtures, 1 light for the plants that have less transpiration / conversion flux and a higher one for the thirstier girls. Treating all plants the same way is always a mistake because it only permeates its selective interventions, and the plant in itself takes too little attention as an individual of a living being. If you pay more attention next time, you will develop a different bond and a more personal relationship with each individual female.
@GreenBuzzNutrients, I try to find the right amount of nutrition but every plant seems to have different needs. But that's okay, they aren't cuts but seeds, everyone with different needs. I'll learn and master that in future.
Ich habe leider das original zitat nicht mehr gefunden aber ich glaube es war PharmaZ.....ich glaube es war im sticky beast diary... aaah eben gesehn er hat da auch was in deinem diry gepostet
@Mrs_Larimar, danke für die Info, meine Absicht war es, auch mal wieder eine Frage für den Grower of the Month contest zu erstellen.
Und wie ich sehe bist auch dieses Mal wieder gut dabei, wirst wohl definiv wieder unter den Top 3 sein. Und natürlich Glückwunsch für den altuellen Contest Oktober, mal wieder sauber abgeliefert.
Looks great! In my opinion all of the four plants are doing great. I would not be concerned about the curly leaves. All my plants looked like this at the same stage, but turned out great in the end. My theory is that this curling is caused by the exceptionally fast growth. But it is just a theory 😉
MarcXL
