LAST FEED 8/9
8/10 Plants are looking good. Flowers on mendo are plumping up. Other are stretching and have pre-flowers. I noticed a few stiplings on leaves. Not sure if it warrants a spray tonight or not.
P.M. I went soaked the plants today as the temperatures were in the nineties again and the bags were dry as a bone. I feel like i'm watering too much but that is not my biggest concern. I check my plants AT LEAST three times a day with a closed circuit so I can monitor them at will. When I went to check them just as day light was fading I noticed some powdery mildew. I had dealt with this before due to the humidity and was able to just remove the infected leaves. I went and looked online and found that I could use captain jack's which I was planning to use anyway as a preventative and to kill some random critters. I shined the L.E.D light on a leaf and found much more powdery mildew than I saw without that extra light. It was not totally dark so must have something to do with the L.E.D.'s. Anyway I immediately went and got the bottle of captain jack's (I had no time to mix a gallon) and just went and sprayed what looked like the worst. I didn't focus so much under the leaves as much as trying to soak the plant and get an even coat. I'm hoping since this is a systemic this will solve the problem while preventing and killing other pests in the garden. I needed o use the flashlight to finish. It's still not totally dark so I have no worries about hurting the plants. I'm just wondering if I did a good enough job. I guess only time will tell. I planned on taking pictures but my phone totally died. Sorry guys. I'll take some in the morning.
8/11 I woke late around 6am. My phone died and I missed my alarm. I received bad information and thought the spinosad would take care of the powdery mildew. The relative humidity is fucking 91 percent today. This is incredibly ridiculous. My pictures are even coming out shitty. It's even hard to breath and i'm in good shape. Plants didn't look as bad as last night but what I think really made the difference was using a L.E.D flashlight to expose what was really there. I had to really look to find it this morning. My PH is a little on the high side already so I didn't want to use baking soda but milk seemed to have failed last time as well. I went to the store and mixed 1 TBSP baking soda 1 TBSP dawn 1 TBSP vegetable oil and sprayed the shit out of the plants. I'm not losing shit to powdery mildew or mold. I need to get off and defoliate a little better. The reveg I just can't seem to keep up with. I also don't want to throw away good cuttings. I was thinking of starting indoors. Anyway I hope I didn't make a huge mistake spraying captain jack's dead bug last night and then hitting the PM with the baking soda. If I did or there is some sort of reaction that you folks know about please let me know. I took some pics on my phone and i'll upload them later. I'll check them all later. I hope I do'n't end up with a bunch of burnt leaves. Now I need to defoliate the inside and LST the rest. I've put it off a little.
P.M I went back just before dark to check. I found the small mendo breath in the back that's flowering was the culprit. I defoliated everything with substantial WPM on that plant and wiped down the leaves. I have major work ahead of me defoliating that monster reveg. I find it hard to cut branches and not find a use for them. I was thinking of maybe taking a shit ton of cuttings and doing a sea of green inside. I dont know though.
8/12 I defoliated the powdered mildew I saw on the little mendo breath this morning but I neglected to water. When I went back the plants were limp as fuck. I just watered the shit out of them and I hope they come back. I was going over to defoiate. I'm going to check in a little while and hopefully the plants will straighten out. I've seen what look like deficiencies in some leaves and i'll take pictures. I hope it's not that added nutrients or lockout.
UPDATE: Plants bounced right back like I thought they would. I did a bit of exfoliating but I forgot the milk. I only saw PM on one plant and just a couple leaves. I'll wait until morning to spray. Heat stress is lessening despite temps in the 90s and a extremely high himidity.
8/13 Plants perked right back up after watering. I fed three gallons of nutes. I did some defoliation and brought a milk solution to spray on affected leaves. Baking soda seemed to work. I found one leaf with a little WPM. Good thing I check my plants daily.
8/14 I'll add to this later but it seems like my plants might have nutrient lockout. I fed three gallons yesterday and I came back today to find what seemed like chlorosis on a few leaves. Looked like an extreme potassium deficiency or some shit. I haven't really ever "flushed". We get sheet rain here that flushes shit pretty good but it's been extremely hot and humid with no rain.. I'll go check later and see how things are going. It seems like I fix one problem only for another to rear it's ugly head.
P.m. Went back and watered everything. Plants dont look that bad. Maybe they are just recovering from the heat stress. It's still in the upper 80s to 90s 50%rh today. I will monitor for lockout. Judging only by timing it seems to have happened after I added beastie bloom and increased amount of nutes and frequency of nutes.
8/15 Its night. I had a busy morning. The ladies look and smell beautiful. The two mendo breath's of the same pheno are well into flower. Everything else is in the stretch mode. I looked back through the diary and noticed problems seemed to get worse when I added beastie bloom and greatly increased feeding. I'm backing off on the feeding. I checked moisture in medium and most were fine. I'm scared to flush. I phed a 5 gallon bucket of water and ran it through the two ten gallon Slurricanes as they needed water. The bigger pits were ok. A little cooler today bit still 80s and no rain.
8/16 I checked plants this morning and the buds on the mendo breath are really fattening up. The smell has greatly increased as has trachoma production. I think my problem with losing leaves may have something to do with me significantly changing my feeding schedule. I'm hoping if I give a nice thorough watering and cut back nutes for a bit I may not have to flush. Who knows but I saw the tell tale note burn curl on some leaves and things changed after I changed my feed and added beastie bloom which has a ton phosphorous. I'm going back tonight and I'll monitor it.
P.M. I phed my water as best I could and watered the six plants that needed it with ten gallons. I filled up a bucket and added a capful of ph down to hopfully fet the right ph. I'm still hesitant about flushing my plants. If we dont get rain or I dont see things improve I will ask another local grower for help. Some leaves I've noticed are turning yellow and just dying. These arent big leaves. Plants look great but they cant keep up with the amount of leaves I've been pulling. Also noticed slight wpm on that tiny mendo breath. I made a solution of milk and water and sprayed what I saw and wiped it off with paper towels. I will continue to monitor.
Hello fellow growers. My slurricane and mendo breath were transplanted outside in Maine. I've since experienced high winds and very low temps at night. Last night I moved them to the heated barn with two 150hps lights above them. What can I do to help my girls along. Thanks every
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I don’t move the plants outside for another few weeks due to unpredictable weather. Keep them warm and safe, until it’s at least 45-50 at night where you are. Don’t want to risk stunting them and your harvest, or worse. As far as wind, I’ve used 3foot bamboo stakes, or even if a pinch- a chopstick to support the stem. Just do it sooner rather then later, as there will be less of a chance you will damage any roots on the way down. See me critical purple diary for pics :)
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I live in maine and have several plants approximately 6ft tall in a fence that I made. However I'm getting lots of wind and trees block some sun in the evening. My question is should I move plants, dismantle my fence to move them closer to the house for direct light and wind blok
if it adds hours of light or you think the wind could cause damage, i'd say it is worth the effort. How much light and how much danger? how difficult to move the stuff, etc. If not a ton more light, can put up some wind blockers.
My outdoor grow is housed in a fence/building that's 12x12 and 8ft high.(See diary for pics). Since the trees have filled out they are blocking some direct sun. If I moved EVERYTHING over it would be a huge pain but would receive more direct sun. What would you guys do? Worth it?
Thank you for your answers. The structure stays where it is. They get approximately two hours of shade or "ambient light" before the sun is back around. Seeing that I've been dealing with heat and light stress I'm glad I kept it where it was. I've thinned put some trees which also allows for better placement of additional cameras and devices. I also have poles that can be thrown on top in a jiffy if needed and a tarp that can go up quick. I also took several air mattresses and cut them apart and zip ties and gorilla glue/taped them. It's big enough to throw over the top. If we get hail or other horrible things I'll be ready I'm glad I did this as the first tornado I've heard of touched ground about half hour away.
Anybody use preventative sprays? Considering using BT to proactively control pests. Anyone else proactively protect against pests? What products do you use?
I don't know I'm an indoor growing and I like to lean towards a non spray pure flower if possible type deal.... But if I was in an area that was known to have problems.. I'd do whatever it took for the ladies right.. So norcal is probably giving you the best advice there for sure.
I personally use a Neem oil mix with Insecticidal soap. All organic. Spray every 7 days up untill the last 3 weeks of flower. Working great for me in my yard, Neighbor who didn't treat his isn't doing so well.. Happy growing! 👊
Hello
Buy some dr bonners castile soap, and make a water/soap spray(its basically homemade insecticidal soap) it works amazing and breaks down the outer body of soft bodied insects. I also recommend getting old stages green cleaner because it kicks but on any mites and also fights pm like crazy.👍
*i usually keep neem around also because you can use alone or add to the green clean for about 2 months of cure.
I have a clone I had taken and it's doing good. My garden is enclosed in a 12x12 locked fence. I'm wondering what size size I should transplant this clone into or go in ground. It's in a 3 gallon now. My others are in 30gallons-100 gallons. Would 10 be enough?
kinda depends on region and how much vege growth you are going to get - all about size of the plant at the end as far as what you "need."
i know at smaller sizes "they" say 1 gallon per 1-foot of vertical growth, but not sure how well that translates to larger plants outdoors. If it's growing taller than 4-5 feet, i'd go with a 20-gallon. you can assess rootball and how much it filled it out when you harvest and determine if you can go down a size or not based on comfort of the roots in the pot. (ie not rootbound)
outside you should be thinking kg not g. 😁 muahahaha!
I check my plants multiple times a day every day. I found this spot and I'm hoping someone can identify the type of pest. I treated pillars with BT a few days ago. This was not here last night. It had also been raining of that helps. Thanks in advance.
Name the deficiency. Plants are healthy and six months old. Grown in 30g happy frog/ffof with off nutes. Haven't seen many others like this. Just a dying leaf? Everything else looks good.
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Если ты заметил такое в нижних уровнях растения, не на макушках, то это естественный процесс взросления, бро! Ей может не хватать удобрений для наращивания новых точек роста и она их заимствует из больших веерных листьев, как у тебя на фото! 👆
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My mendo breath is beginning to show preflower. Plants are 6 months old. Even some of the 2nd gen ones too. When should I switch to flowering nutrients? Just small preflowers right now but very noticeable. If anyone has time check diary. Thanks so much for all the help.
Hello
If you were going indoors you'd go off the light hours and start bloom at 12/12.
But with us outdoor grows i would usually bring in the open sesame as soon as there was a good boost of preflowers but in nice low doses once a week or two weeks.
My outdoor typically starts to flower here at the beginning/ mid August, so i would go ahead and start the tiger bloom at some low doses now until you see the flowers develop and then start using full doses.
Would you consider this in flower? I call it preflower but I'm wondering if so should I switch up nutes? I'm using ff line. Most of dirty 12. Happy frog/ffof. Mendo breath. Thanks. Happy growing! If photo doesnt upload please see diary. Tia
Would you consider this in flower? I call it preflower but I'm wondering if so should I switch up nutes? I'm using ff line. Most of dirty 12. Happy frog/ffof. Mendo breath. Thanks. Happy growing! If photo doesnt upload please see diary. Tia
She is starting to flower. Go half veg half flower nutes first flower feed,,at veg rate. Next feed time go to reduced flower feed. Half what the label says. If u see they need more then increase a little each feed. Mid flowering is your max nutes, but not what the label says., by what your girls tell u. Late flower, decrease back to your start of flower amount. Nice looking girls. Cheers friend
I applied spinosad tonight and after I finished it started to rain. I used a drop of dawn as well. We even had unheard of tornado warnings. Will I need to reapply? Thanks everyone.
Hello
If you're having heavy weather then i would suggest reapplying your treatments. I personally have had the best success with making a soap water spray but i use Dr Bonner's castile soap, something about Castile soap has a better ability to break down their outer body...yes regular soap works too but consider getting some dr b. The soaps have to be used several times as they are a pretty gentle method and wash off easily.
If moisture is a concern for any PM or things like that you could invest in old stages green clean which is very good at battling pm and mites and some other bugs too.
Good luck with the tornado's, your outdoor is looking beautiful. ✌️
Quick question. How do you outdoor growers feed. Ex.g,
Say I feed a gallon of mixed PHed nutes to my crop. Do you water as well? What if the soil is already wet like from a rain? If so before or after the nutes? I've looked online EVERYWHERE and cannot find an answer. Thank
Hey friend,
So i think it's open to interpretation, that's why there isn't a lot of specific guidelines like indoor.
I've done grows where i top dress the dry amendments once a week or once every two weeks and then it breaks itself down into the soil with every watering. It worked well for the most part.
Then I've done liquid nutrients and when i do that i have my days of plain Ph'd water, and then the days where i feed i just mix up all the water i need with all the nutrients and soak each pot entirely. Either using a 3 gallon bucket or a 5, but you can always do 1 gallon especially if you notice one plant is needing more or less of something than the others.
Rain water is so good for plants, so don't let that disrupt your schedule unless it's been raining so much for many days to where the soil is basically all wet. Because then you might end up over watering. But definitely take advantage of rain when you can. It's higher in oxygen and helps free up many micronutrients. 👍
I'm in central maine. We have trop storm warning w high winds 40-50mph. I was thinking if things got bad enough I could put tarps or something around my entire fence and secure them while also staking and securing the entire structure. Pic is structure months ago. Thoughts?
Tropical storm warning was canceled last minute. We got some hard rain but it just did my plants some good. I have them pretty well supported as is. Not even a broken branch. They actually looked BETTER if anything lol.
I found WPM on a few leaves. I was spraying spinosad at night. I stupidly thought spinosad would take care of that to. LED light showed much more PM but early stage. In A.M. sprayed 1tbsp baking soda, soap, veg oil per gal. Used 2 gallons. Will any of this interact? Thanks
I use those ingredients per 1 gallon. I also rotate sprayings with a 1 part water to 1 part milk. I also spray varients with mineral oil and cold pressed neem oil. You may not ever get rid of the mildew, but you can significantly control it. Cutting off affected growth using sterilized methods keeps it at bay also. Don't help spread it.
I may over did it with nutes. Upped dosage from one gal to two than 3. Added beastie bloom. I'm losing some leaves and see signs of var def ilike i'm in lockout. I'm hesitant to flush and hope goes back with low nutes later on. anyone willing to look through my diary and advice?
@Gmslave thank you for your considerate and respectful response. You are right I need better equipment and it is much easier to rectify an underfed plant. I have an anxiety disorder that makes me second guess myself. Im usually my worst enemy. It's nice when folks take the time to help others. I love this group. Thanks you so much. I'll leave the question open just to see if I get any other good tips.....
Seems you know what you're doing, why ask if whatever the reply is you're expecting to do something already?
You know the answer, flushing, and stopping to give higher nutrient dosages.
Why the question?
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You need a ph tds reader to feed the proper amounts, keep an eye on the amount of ec coming from your runoff and ph is in proper range. Nothing I see looks to bad, just water for a week or 2 until your ec lowers if you feel safe to do so, if not then flush them and feed at half the rate. Less is best, you can easily remedy underfed plants. Pain in the arse to fix overfed plants and it hurts your final yield. Cheers friend
Ok so we had sheet rain here. I took everyone's advice and took this opportunity to also flush my plants. What's next? When do I start adding nutes again and at what reduced ratio. Thanks to any that reply.
If you're flushed, then you can start feeding at a regular amount. Once you've brought the ppms of the runoff down to or less than your feed, then you're all set. If your runoff ppms start climbing again, you're overfeeding. In a perfect world, your ppms would be the same going in as coming out so aim for that.
Does anyone have experience with foxfarm products like beastie bloom and cha ching? I've tried to use them at 1/8 dose and still got burn/possible lockout. What is the proper amount to feed of the solution once mixed also? TIA
if your using it at 1/8 and still getting burn and lockout.. IT's time to think about using a different product... Green Planet maybe? Or Gaia Green.. Definitely don't use anything by companies that start with A.....
General Hydroponics Trio works well for me. Bloom boosters are famous for causing lockout and their effectiveness is debatable. All evidence is purely anecdotal. They're great for quickly fixing deficiencies quick, but I dont put much more stock into them.
Hello. I tried something new this year and was happy with the result. The product is White Wash a frequency altered water. Yes it is a bit pricy if you only use it once. But if you put a large tray under where you sprayed, you can catch the runoff and reuse it till you have no more, with no drop in effectiveness. Good Luck. Chuck.
Can I use the mixture per gallon of 1 tbsp of baking soda, veg oil and dawn on plants in late flower? I only have a couple weeks left. Buddy said I could and just rinse before I harvest.
you can, but its increases chances of budrot so id avoid if possible. but theres pests also posing risk it is best to do what you can to control them. i would do a water cure in this situation at harvest.
Labossanova there is no "ONE WAY" to combat ANYTHING. No you didnt come close to hitting the mark of answering my question. Your "advice" was shallow uninformative and your tone seemed to be "talking down." You even had to leave a comment saying, "I hope I answered your question" from a long time ago that I already fixed on my own while I had covid. I'm a psychologist. Please don't speak down to me. This isnt a place to stroke your ego.
the only way to combat bad bacteria is with good bacteria, next time add beneficials throughout and it will naturally take care of itself. Does that make sense? Hope this helps ! 🚀
The temperature dropped to 29 degrees F. last night. Luckily my father helped move them to the barn where heat was applied and 2 150 watt hps lights were hung. Weather looks unseasonable cold. I need to work to bring these plants back.
Harbringer I love your name! NorCal thanks for taking the time to respond. I personally am not a fan of neem oil. However it sounds like you've got a great system going. I think I'll start my preventative spray tonight. I'm in Maine most dont start until June 1st. I got antsy and got my clones in February lol. Way to long of a veg but instead of putting out 12" clones I put out 6ft clones. By harvest I'll have had so much time invested that I'm not going to let some bastard moth or something ruin it. Happy growing everybody and thank you all for the advice.
6/5 watered everything mowed inside the cage and added more zip ties to secure the fence a little better . Yesterday three more Slurricanes were added. 2 more mendo breath and one more slurricane will round the garden out tommorow. I've given clones to neighbors to help secure my shit. I have cameras and audio but having good neighbors really helps.
Checked moisture on 5/12. Medium needs sometime to dry out. For the most part the plants are improving. On another note 3 cuttings I took have rooted and placed them in 1 gallon fabric pot.
5/11 We went from extreme cold to having some decent sun it was in the 60's and plants received several hours of sunlight. Once the weather stabilizes I will look at putting plants outdoors. In another note I've seen the first of several roots on the cuttings I took may 2nd.
After a large wind storm I was forced to brace my plants. I will try to upload a picture. Luckily there was minimal damage from last night. There have been unseasonable strong winds. I also fed 1tsp per gallon of kangoroots, microbe brew and unsulfered molasses.
Thanks for the kind words. I still have work to do and cages to put up bit I'll get there. This seems like a great tool and I look forward to learning from you all!
@Inganjawetrust, thanks for the kind words. They are already getting out of hand. That fence is 8ft high. I'm not counting my chickens before they hatch though. ;)
your plants are looking amazing! I'm so jealous! I was way late getting my plants out doors and now they won't be nice 6+ feet tall beasts.☹️ but I'm still lucky to be outside at all.
Should be very proud with what you've done buddy. Been scanning your wks. Had high temps like you had in week 17 here 2 but I was indoors was hitting 33c someday inside my tents. Have to try that BT stuff. Dealing with gnats myself as I have lots of nice fungus. Anyways, enjoy the rest of your grow. Some lovely fade on that girl. You timed it perfectly. Some top class looking bud. Enjoy pal. I'm the same BTW. I won't hit the harvest button anymore until I taste as I unfairly marked a strain on her finishing badly but turned out to be nice stuff and can't change it upon smoke report. Enjoy your bounty.