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LED/315W
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LED/315W
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Indoor
Room Type
Defoliation
weeks 7-13
LST
weeks 9, 11
Soil
Grow medium
Strain
00seeds2 - 00 KUSH
Bruce Banner #3
Original Sensible Seeds
Growing it
Easy
Resistance
Strong
And so ends our foray with the biotabs lineup. I have to say I’m pretty impressed with the nutrient system as it seems she had most of everything that she needed for the majority of the grow. Method suffered a little as she didn’t take to the FIM as initially hoped. Still got 2 mains but 3 or 4 wouldve definitely been preferred. The plant itself was a champ. EXTREMELY resilient and manageable in terms of foliage. That said, organic growing is not without its pitfalls and for the reasons below we will be sticking to hydro and soilless applications indoors. Taste & Smell: 🍭🍭🍭 Effects: 🍭🍭🍭🍭 Her odour wasn’t particularly strong for any part of the cycle but there was definitely a notable diesel scent coming off ‘er both pre and post chop. Maybe even a bit of an earthy, peppery scent too. Gonna go with 3/5 lolli’s until we really know what we have post-cure. Same applies to the taste, definitely prominent diesel in ‘er but so far - I’m not seeing anything overly different that what I would expect from other mediums🤔. As far as effects go; ripped the bong real good and laughed hysterically like I hadn’t in some time👍. For now and until further testing is complete - she’s strong and very uplifting with an average/typical come down. Still not sure where I’m putting her in the hybrid spectrum yet but 4/5 lolli’s at this point for sure👌. Update - after a couple vape sessions she’s quickly starting to prove herself a notable any-time sativa. Uplifting and euphoric, relaxing but yet not quite sedative. Update - after some curing time in the jars I have to say that the terp. Profile is impressive. She’s easily the dankest, stickiest nugs we’ve grown to date. The strawberry has definitely come out with the diesel now too. Not the densest, but definitely living up to the all organic benefits touted by its proponents👍. I’m Happier about the turnout on this grow with each passing session😉😎
The Outcome
Week 19
Harvest
What's on the scales?
75.98
gram
ounce
Bud dry weight
What's on the scales?
364.29
gram
ounce
Bud wet weight
Harvested
1
Number of plants harvested
Grow Room
0.74
ft²
Grow Room size
0.24
g / watt
102.68
g / m²
75.98
g / plant
1.35
plant / m²
425.68
watt / m²
Tastes like
Berries
Diesel
Earthy
Feels like
80% Sativa 20% Indica

Positive effects

Euphoric
Uplifted

Negative effects

Dry eyes
Nutrients
Nutes 🍭🍭🍭 I gotta admit, Biotabs definitely impressed. A very simplistic, organic grow system that required no major additives, and an active ph buffer too. I didn’t ph the water she got and there seemed no adverse issues that arose throughout. Our water usually sits around 7.5/8 anyway. Also commendable is that this was supposed to be a test run on an auto genetic, not a photo - so to see the system still do it’s thing through a full 8 week veg. + extended flower was very cool. All those benefits are truly awesome but did the plant have it where it counted? In the buds? Maybe, as an organic grow - I guess. Overall the buds were a little on the fluffy side and skinny too. I will always feel I left some of her potential on the table without a conventional, “synthetic” nutrient system. 3 outta 5 lolli’s because the system is pretty much bulletproof in terms of potential user error, losing that coveted 4th lolli due to being less effective than conventional nutrients overall. The organic pure of soul may believe I’ve missed the point here but it just seems such a waste to realize a reduced yield for the sake of better terpene production.
Always quality and seemingly a requirement on every grow.
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TheBudWhisperer TheBudWhisperer
4 years ago
Medium: 🥥🥥 I just can’t get behind indoor soil grows anymore. A little less hassle in terms of nutes yes, but the growth rate is much slower and there’s always that increased chance of pests come’n in with the product... and wouldn’t ya know it - aphids absolutely infested both the grow spaces and tore up a white widow so bad we had to pitch ‘er. This plant however, was like a battle hardened warrior fighting em off. After a couple neem treatments, some major defoliation, 3 lady bug bombs and the kitchen sink being thrown at er - we got rid of every last one of those little bastards. She came off wayyyy better than the other 3 plants and it was impressive to say the least. 2 coconut emojis for the tainted medium and yes - I definitely took off an extra coconut due to bitterness with the aphid issue. Yield/Harvest🌴🌴🌴 And now the final numbers. She trimmed out easily and she’s definitely got some serious goo to ‘er - excellent dankness factor despite a very fluffy bud structure. As expected and after 7 days on the rack (1 more day than needed due to laziness) she dried up quite a bit. After stripping the stems we did have a lot of popcorn bud. Fully usable but still popcorn. The head buds are of acceptable quality but not massive by any stretch. What she lacks in bag appeal she makes up for with effect👍. Considering this ended up being a photo grow vs. What was supposed to be an auto grow - there is simply no excuse for anything less than 2oz. Thankfully, she didn’t disappoint in that respect coming in at 2.7oz off the stem. Much better than originally anticipated so no complaints there. 3/5 palm trees for being “acceptable” overall. Props Many thanks to everyone who stopped in to chat on it and check the progress. Definitely credit where due to OSSC for the genetics. The 2 girls on this run performed well despite some serious issues so I’m looking forward to seeing their true potential in the future. Until the next run, wish everyone the best of buds👍👊👍
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Tryhard
Tryhardweek 1
Good luck bro all best will be following
TheBudWhisperer
TheBudWhisperer
@@Tryhard, 👊👊👊
Tryhard
Tryhard
@TheBudWhisperer,your a experience grower and I'm 100 percent certain this will be another very good diary form your self and it will all work out fine
TheBudWhisperer
TheBudWhisperer
@@Tryhard, cheers dude. Gonna need it - hopp’n in the organic train for a test run😉
CRiSPrGrow
CRiSPrGrowweek 2
the famous biotabs run you've been planning for a year now ! fun times 🚀
CRiSPrGrow
CRiSPrGrow
@TheBudWhisperer, if it's rotten and gone off dont use it obviously, sometimes it goes off in the shipping/transport thing , gets too thick or gross... check it out lol but you know know what's up lol 😅
TheBudWhisperer
TheBudWhisperer
@CRiSPrGrow, yeah finally got around to it. Doing a break cycle between photo runs so figured I’d try all the organic nute swag I have with autos. So far so good but that spray dude - seriously. It smells like cat gizz mix with dead people.🤮
mr_h_kovert
mr_h_kovertweek 7
worse problems to have hombre - what gonna be the solution? [you gonna have a monsta on yer hands shortly!] 👊👺👊
TheBudWhisperer
TheBudWhisperer
@mr_h_kovert, very true! And I’m still workn through a solution. Options are kinda limited given the pot size and I can’t let er veg. Forever. Trying to stay with the run sched. Too so this is a bit of a head scratcher🤷‍♂️. Any ideas?
MovingOn
MovingOnweek 7
You can actually still occasionally get photos from an auto mother if the strain hasn't been completely stabilized.
TheBudWhisperer
TheBudWhisperer
@MovingOn, indeed! But in hindsight I kinda had my suspicions based on the labels😂. Mo grows, mo problems right👍
mr_h_kovert
mr_h_kovertweek 2
strong start early doors hombre 💪 👊
TheBudWhisperer
TheBudWhisperer
@mr_h_kovert, must be the disgusting spray... unreal how much this stuff stinks bro. Not sure if it’s working but the progress is good for a soil medium so far.👊
Ferenc
Ferencweek 2
Nice baby! @TheBudWhisperer
TheBudWhisperer
TheBudWhisperer
@Ferenc, ty dude. She’s coming along nicely for sure👍👊
mr_h_kovert
mr_h_kovertweek 1
inside the ride! another journey of life that will no doubt be fun to watch! 😊
TheBudWhisperer
TheBudWhisperer
@mr_h_kovert, lol! Cheers dude. I’m not big on “organic” growing but it’s certainly worth a true test run to check differences👍. Well see!👊
mr_h_kovert
mr_h_kovertweek 14
frosting up nicelely b- dubya. lovely looking lady
mr_h_kovert
mr_h_kovertweek 6
proppa job hombre 👌
mr_h_kovert
mr_h_kovertweek 19
i really value the time and effort you put into your journals dubs. Hugely informative and educational in many respects. I'll be interested to see how my predominantly bio-tabs regime compares in terms of growth and yield - a lesson learnt from last grow has led to getting the tabs in the soil immediately as there is a little time delay in them breaking down so they went in when the seed was sown. No mention of Orgatrex in the nute review - might this have made a difference? Regardless, as per, I'm loving your work - budiful hombre.
Slurpy_Terpy
Slurpy_Terpy
@TheBudWhisperer, Hey M8! It seems like you forgot to use either the pk liquid boost or the pk compost tea of biotabs! Thats what you need to bring out all those organic growing benefits for the flavor/taste and extra effect complexity! I did a 'full organic' grow a few years ago but I was very ignorant and only mixed some basic nutrient powders with my soil and didn't add compost tea or anything the flowers ended up having near to no taste. --> Now I just started a biotabs grow and I can't wait till they are week 2-3 of flower and I can finally brew the organic pk compost tea for them :D I come from 100+ grows in different systems, most of them in hydro in dwc. I get pretty good results with dwc but there are 2 reasons I am trying biotabs: 1 - I want the plant to decide how much nutrients it eats, with the idea of getting a smoother smoke (in hydro I feel like its a trade off between a 20+ day flush or feeding for longer for thicker buds, less than 7 days flush doesn't change a thing for me vs no flush, I really need more than 20 days to notice a big difference...) 2 - I want more terpenes!!! This is what the main catch is for me (and most people I think, its either you want to 'just add water' benefit, or you want max quality and choose for full organics to get more taste). In hydro I would need to add fermented/compost teas and other bacteria to get a more 'full' taste with more terpenes, but then I struggle if the tank goes above 22.5c it starts to smell.... Good luck on your next grows! 2 -
TheBudWhisperer
TheBudWhisperer
@mr_h_kovert, agreed and same here. I find that most organic co.s will own the fact they don’t derive the same yield results but no one ever makes mention Of the other fact that regardless of system - a plant will chemically change the various nutrients it consumes in order to utilize them for growth. This chemical change happens regardless of whether the nutes are natural or synthetic so; in the end, on a strictly biological level - does it really matter if the nutrient starts out as organic or synthetic? 🤔. That question’s been roasting my brain stem for 6 months now. Same with phenotypes - how do we know this is the Bruce banner #3 pheno if the seed hasn’t yet even sprouted? 🤔🤔🤔. Sigh... lol
mr_h_kovert
mr_h_kovert
@TheBudWhisperer, ahh - the good old sales pitch...buy this and you will grow beanstalks....and organic ones at that!!! Organic is of secondary importance to me.....well presently anyhow. It's the claimed simplicity that pulled me in although as you've quite rightly pointed out, if the tabs are water only then why all the additional products? Emperor's new clothes perhaps?!?! I'll see how the ladies get on with the bio tabs manual being followed pretty much to a tee and fo sho gromo - any problems I'll be shouting you loudly!
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mr_h_kovert
mr_h_kovertweek 15
loving the bird's eye views bro. what's your take on the biotabs regime? [gonna run again?]
TheBudWhisperer
TheBudWhisperer
@mr_h_kovert, give yourself more credit than that homie😉. Grow games a vast and expansive universe of tons ‘o cool options👍. IMO - whatever grows the biggest, fattest, dankest nugs☝️Lol
mr_h_kovert
mr_h_kovert
@TheBudWhisperer, thanks for the detailed response bro. used the biotabs for the first time this year though not as a stand alone. fulvic acid and calmag were on hand. next grow i'll be using a few more of their products and I'll be accounting for the fact that the tabs take a little while to break down. [either get them in the soil a little earlier or provide a little feed until they take effect.] hopefully i can lock this regime down.......as i am a simpleton!!!
TheBudWhisperer
TheBudWhisperer
@mr_h_kovert, actually very impressed with it as an “organic” nute system. This’ll be a 17 week + grow and the only thing she’s needed aside from tap water was a couple shots of calmag to get to the finish. So it is easy and does do what they say it does. But with indoor, I will not be utilizing it as a standalone nute system again - the yield results just aren’t there IMO. I had wayyyy better than expected results with a purple haze when the tabs were used as a supplement to my normal nute regimen. Might incorporate them that way in the future if I’m growing in coco. It’ll def. get the nod for next years outdoor. The “all organic” folks should love this system for sure. I’m partial to “synthetics” myself (which are actually “organic” too just don’t tell the purists that - I’ll save that soapbox lecture for another time😉).
Experimentgreen
Experimentgreenweek 19
Mmm strawberry diesel cross. I'm sold. Those trichrome photos turned out nice...especially #4 and #6. You just using the phone camera?
TheBudWhisperer
TheBudWhisperer
@Experimentgreen, and I don’t know about the strawberry but the diesel is VERY prevalent on the dry👍.... I freakn love diesel strains
TheBudWhisperer
TheBudWhisperer
@Experimentgreen, funny u ask I had the same question the other day. It’s actually a wireless microscope to my phone (works for both iPhone and android I believe). Not expensive and has served me well for sure👍 - link here if ur interested - PFC Optics Wireless Digital... https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B07QCZ3J3C?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share
Mrtony
Mrtonyweek 17
looking gd bro
Mrtony
Mrtony
@TheBudWhisperer, I give mine a exter 4 weeks b4 i switch witch give my massive buds.
TheBudWhisperer
TheBudWhisperer
@Mrtony, many thanks she’s. She ain’t the bulkiest but she’ll smoke for sure👌👍
BudXs
BudXsweek 19
congrats dude!
TheBudWhisperer
TheBudWhisperer
@BudXs, cheers homie - even mediocrity makes bank 😂😂😂.👊
Yucreepin
Yucreepinweek 19
Great diary! Think I’m gona have to try it myself, the effects sound too good!
TheBudWhisperer
TheBudWhisperer
@Yucreepin, for sure dude. This ones got a special place in the stash. Real good smoke and extremely powerful👍
Bloombuster
Bloombusterweek 7
like you pics! 👍
TheBudWhisperer
TheBudWhisperer
@Bloombuster, well thank u very much for that! As well as the like bomb!! Lol👊👊👊
Shagrath
Shagrathweek 19
Hi dude! I just wanted to ask, do you know the main reason for the burning of the tips? I've been watching your grow and I have the same strain and I'm having the same symptoms on my girls. I would like to stop it from spreading 'cos that might affect my final yields.. I have been giving them less nitrogen and more PK and more bacteria but I have raised my Ec in overall so it might be nute/light burn or it could be some deficiency caused by too much something (Nutelock).
TheBudWhisperer
TheBudWhisperer
@Shagrath, hey dude - in my case, my best guess is light burn and could be ur problem based on the height of your lights from canopy - mine now sit at about 20” (6” higher than yours) and I haven’t seen the problem get worse. As far as your grow is concerned - I had trouble seeing any issues at all with Your leaf tips. To be safe I’d bump your light up now just in case. All that said, mine is an all organic soil grow so my issues may show a little differently than yours in a hydro application. As far as I can tell though, looks like your plants on point so your nute mix is likely just fine👍. If you’ve got other more detailed pics you want me to look at, reach out any time. Otherwise, ur plants lookn like a winner for sure bud👍. After a 9 week veg. She should turn out beastly😎.
ButtersStotch
ButtersStotchweek 19
That plant looks amazing man, also great photos!!!
TheBudWhisperer
TheBudWhisperer
@ButtersStotch, thanks very much for that dude. The pics give ‘er too much credit though. Think we’re looking at a whole lotta popcorn bud and can only hope that the quality is top shelf cuz I doubt we’re drying to more than 1.5oz tops. Prob. Last time you see me grow in soil indoors. Thanks for check’n er out👊.
ROM101
ROM101week 19
Just put this down very excited after seeing what you've done with this strain 👌
TheBudWhisperer
TheBudWhisperer
@ROM101, lol - thanks much dude. Indeed she’s gett’n the knife in short order 👍
mr_h_kovert
mr_h_kovertweek 11
gonna be a yielder judging by appearance bruv - lovely looking lady.
TheBudWhisperer
TheBudWhisperer
@mr_h_kovert, think so - she’s stretched pretty good for sure. As long as she’s not overly stressed by the defo and aphids we should be primed for a chunky one👍