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FL/250W
Vipar spectra
FL/250W
Vipar spectra
Indoor
Room Type
HST
weeks 10
ScrOG
weeks 7-15
LST
weeks 4-11
Topping
weeks 3, 5-6
Defoliation
weeks 5-13
Strain
00seeds2 - 00 KUSH
Lava Freeze
Super Sativa Seed Club
Growing it
Normal
Resistance
Neutral
It’s a bittersweet end to this grow for sure. She was a strong plant all the way and grew with ease at all stages. We did have a lighting snafu at the start of the grow which necessitated a replacement to a lower wattage quantum board. We utilized our typical nutrient regimen with the addition of Terpinator this time around just to see if there’s any truth to all the hype. All told and from a growers perspective, there were simply too many variables at play on this grow and one horrible mistake in late flower to allow for any kind of criticism. I’ll definitely have to grow it again to truly know what SSSC has here - she was a one shot wonder so I still have 7 more tries😉. I’ll give er 7 out of 10 overall, middling marks due to grower error mostly. The rest of the deets are below. Taste & Smell: 🍭 Effects: 🍭🍭🍭🍭 Whether it’s a result of the late stage nute burn or not - she didn’t round out with the kind of gassy scent that we were hoping for. In fact - the smell is quite subdued and lacking. Well see how it cures out but not holding much hope for improvement🤷‍♂️. I gotta say though, the effects are unexpected for a 90% indica - super heady but still with that indica bake😌😌😌. Medium/strong for sure👍. I’m real impressed with it and wish I had more... Update - starting to taste a bit of the lava cake coming out in the early cure. Still not much scent to ‘er.... other than grass of course....
The Outcome
Week 15
Harvest
What's on the scales?
64.07
gram
ounce
Bud dry weight
What's on the scales?
301.64
gram
ounce
Bud wet weight
Harvested
1
Number of plants harvested
Grow Room
3.19
ft²
Grow Room size
0.26
g / watt
20.08
g / m²
64.07
g / plant
0.31
plant / m²
78.37
watt / m²
Tastes like
Cream
Feels like
10% Sativa 90% Indica

Positive effects

Euphoric
Happy
Relaxed

Negative effects

Dry eyes
Nutrients
Nutes 🍭🍭🍭🍭 There was no major change to our typical nute regimen except for the addition of terpinator. I’m not even gonna try giving this a rating after what happened with the burn. If the profile on this plant remains the same the next time we run it, then terpinator would be useless as a supplement IMO. That said, the remainder of the line up has always performed well for me so no complaints at all.
It absolutely stinks like rotten asshole... I have no idea if it works or not, because it stinks like rotten asshole.
No answer until I’ve used it successfully.
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TheBudWhisperer TheBudWhisperer
4 years ago
Medium: 🥥🥥🥥🥥 Coco remains as the most manageable medium in our arsenal. It’s simplistic, similar to conventional soil but as a nutrient neutral medium, it’s also much more tailored to the growers preferences in terms of feeding. It’s best attribute is excellent drainage and consistency - a lot fluffier than soil which definitely translates to faster growth rates. It’s a damn shame that this particular grower forgot the cardinal f$&@king rule when it comes to any grow - always water to run off and pay attention to the strength of the feed in relation to the plants growth stage. If we had followed these basic principles we wouldn’t have run into the serious late stage burn that almost toasted the whole plant. On the flip side of that, coco flushes out incredibly well and if not for this attribute, the whole grow would’ve been an unmitigated disaster. Method 🎚️🎚️🎚️🎚️ Uggghhh - hindsight f$&@‘n sucks sometimes. Best descriptor for how we grew this girl - imagine having the dinner table set with your finest china, a bottle of the most expensive red wine you can find, a brand new top-o-the-line BBQ, and then burning the absolute f$&k out of a $40 prime rib. That’s exactly how this grow feels... We were looking to scrog it the whole time and this went perfectly. The plant helped quite a bit with longer than expected internodal spacing. This allowed for a really even canopy/bed of buds. Again though, the vipar 450w (truly a 200w~) shit the bed mid veg. And we needed a replacement. Went with a 100w SpiderFarmer QB. While I truly am pleased with the purchase I do believe that we should’ve upp’d to the 200w model (or 2, 100w models) to achieve a similar output and result - @silverback_guerilla was right on point with the lighting advice (*again). Given the reduced yield it just feels like the nodal spacing and overall bud quality may have suffered with the reduced power. This, despite the better light spectrum and overall coverage in general. As an aside - an additional Fixture is now on the way😉👍. Worst part about this is we’ll never really know what the true limiting factor actually was due to the nute burning. Probably the single most stupid, rook mistake I could’ve made was not watering to runoff.... just too much shit going down in the world (and in life) these days and I started to treat the grow like it was on auto pilot🤬🤬🤬. The whole worlds a cluster f$&k right now so why should the grow be any different right? 4/5 for the method, losing1 point because the grower is a lazy moron. Yield/Harvest🌴 The final numbers are better than expected, 2.26oz of usable bud. Not overly fluffy and not overly dense. Not glazed in frost but not without a little shimmer. All around mediocre unfortunately. What it coulda? Shoulda? Woulda been??? Note sure 🤔 but we’ll take it👍. On a more positive note - There was still another new addition to our grow cycle. This time on the back end. Everyone knows that trimming just plain sucks. When we’re spitt’n out 3-4 plants every few months, the exercise is a dreaded necessity if were gonna maintain the vast array of choice that we’re used to🤙👌. The whole process just for one plant can take hours unless you have help. We prefer to wet trim too so for those that don’t require a commercial size trimmer, the only option to save some time is a trim bowl. We bit the bullet, dropped the cash on one - have NOT been disappointed at all! Not only did it cut the chop process from 2-3 hours down to a mere 45 minutes, the buds literally came out rack ready. There was no need to do any touch up trimming and the bud photos you see are as-is, right out the bowl🤩. Really coulda used this last fall and I would recommend this to anyone who chops more than a handful of plants per year. Just awesome and worth every penny!👌🤙👍 At times like these, we should all just be thankful that we still have both the opportunity and ability to grow our own✌️. Best be to all of you and stay safe out there.👊 Background For those not in the know, SSSC has been around for 40 years. Out of Amsterdam, they are the 2nd such breeder to market their genetics worldwide and can lay claim to the origins of their beans better than most (if not all) others. They’ve produced here an indica hybrid cross of M33/Friesland Indica with an elite clone of Lava Cake. We’re hoping to encounter one of the purple phenos but only time will tell. She’s supposed to be super strong too and not for the faint of heart 👍. We’ve been wait’n on this one awhile and she’ll be getting individual treatment in the small cab - 5gal. Coco w/perlite and the typical nute regimen. Advance props for the best packaging I’ve ever seen (although you may need to be an 80’s baby or older to truly appreciate it😉). See week 1 photos.
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TheBudWhisperer
TheBudWhispererweek 5
After a lot of back and forth with some of my partners in crime - finally settled on an appropriate replacement fixture for the box. A QB from Spider Farmer. Many thanks to @silverback_guerilla, @silky_smooth, @drphilgood, @mr_h_kovert, @satori_hanso, @greenmachine, @hellishjam - all the input, knowledge and web links were greatly appreciated dudes/dudettes 👊👊👊
ButtersStotch
ButtersStotchweek 15
Nice thorough diary man! And congrats on the win!
ButtersStotch
ButtersStotch
TheBudWhisperer
TheBudWhisperer
@ButtersStotch, see reply below😂
Wilson_McNugget
Wilson_McNuggetweek 13
Grand Master....can I ask you something....THIS I JUST FIGURED OUT...BY ACCIDENT...BUT I WAS RIGHT..... I had OVERLY GREEN PLANTS ONE FOR SURE....looks like NITRO TOX..BUT NO TIP BURN....its a Major lock out...BUT WHY????? IRON IN THE CAL MAG......PLUS IN MY CASE I HAD EXTRA IRON IN THE DR REPAIR... so I FOUND OUT IT IS ALSO CAUSING CAL SULFUR MAG B1 EVERYTHING DEF....HIDONG AS A GREEN IRON TOXIC PLANT.... I used Demeter's Destiny Liquid Calcium 12ml/g flushed with half gallon on two gallon pots.... THAT DID IT GOT IT ALL UNLOCKED...BUT THATS NOT ENOUGH..... I then used a 330ppm Demeter's Destiny 2.25ml/g. Calcium Madusas Magic 1.25ml/g. 2-5-2 some micros Zeus Juice 1.25ml/g 5% humid acid Magnum 1.25ml/g 2% mag 2% sulfur with B1 Potash plus 2.25ml/g 0-4-6 1% sulfur I would prefer CRYSTAL BLAST...no additional sulfur... YOU AE IRON TOXIC....YOUR CAL MAG IS FULL OF IRON.....THATS ONLY NEEDED FOR STRAIGHT HYDRO.... JUST SAYING......anything other then PLAIN COCO has iron already....even coco has stuff when you have the RIGHT CALCIUM.... NOPE I GOT LUCKY STUMBLED UPON IT....took about five hours of boredom reading..
Wilson_McNugget
Wilson_McNugget
@TheBudWhisperer, well I have been trying to SIMPLIFY it....thats why I made a change, and I am now using some nutrient rich substrates... I was using Dr. Repair as it is recommended.....and for Hydro...well yeah the extra iron is probably needed.... My main problem with CYCO was lack of calcium.....even though they separate it into A & B parts......but I have had hallow stems.....veg stretch.....weaker branches.... I have been looking at a lot of things......it all started out as a CAL DEF....we assumed...peoole on the site and myself...... Well I addressed that had a pretty good first harvest 1lb a full GORDY....half was very yummy...half not so much.... And yes, I was hammering the plants....going full blown to see if its possible to follow the outrageous feeding schedules..... Maybe outside it is possible???? Yeah I am a very good mushroom grower...and Temps along with humidity make all the difference, along with enough fresh air.... I have improved my grow conditions....now I have a substrate mix that provides my micros, so I should not need to worry about being deficient in anything...... The main line one plant would be much better if I had the proper calcium uptake early on..... Actually it makes a lot of sense and goes along with what I think I figured out..... I spent a couple trim seasons in Humboldt county so im not totally ignorant..... Basically what you are saying is my new line up is probably better since it is simpler.... I agree with you, but in this specific case for the one plant in Happy Frog, which does have more iron hen my other substrate.....I made it iron toxic out of ignorance....not just using a Iron supplement product.....but yes over feeding Yeah I too them down pretty on the defoliation....but it was needed to stuff them all in the 4*4 instead of spreading out like I usually do in the 4*8 They look good....I got my first real sugar leaves this early....since I have been going much lighter on the nut's this grow...... Thanks for the advice......my original question I should have asked....do you think you coco grow is a bit darker because of more iron??????
TheBudWhisperer
TheBudWhisperer
@@Wilson_McNugget, not exactly bud - I wasn’t under the impression you were looking for advice yourself based on the comment. That said, I did take a look at your plants and they look great👍. Heavy on the defo with the autos but they seem to be happy with it. That mainline is stripped bare and a little ruthless for me but if you grow it out a little longer you’ve def. got the base for an awesome mainline. As far as nute deficiencies and lockout go - if you’re new to growing you’re going to find that troubleshooting specific deficiencies can be maddening as hell. The reason is due to the fact that there are so many different “limiting factors” at play on any grow that isolating any specific one nutrient element is a hard thing to do without a perfect environment. By limiting factors I mean - light, temp, humidity, pot size and type, watering/feeding practices and of course, training. My best advice (if that’s what you’re looking for) is to keep it simpler than isolating a specific nute deficiency. Iron is a perfect example - you need a real fuck ton of that to build up a toxicity so often times, this will simply be an indicator of a larger underlying problem. My grow is a perfect example - you may be right that there is an iron toxicity but that’s only an indicator of the larger problem which is actually a full nute lockout due to too potent a mix. I’d never stress 1ml/L (like 5ml per feeding) of an iron containing calmag to be the main culprit for iron toxicity. I’d be more concerned that the other 10ml/L of all the other stuff is simply too high a concentration for the plant to take it up properly. In other words and regardless of the specific problem; you’re solution is much simpler than micro adjustments of individual nutrient elements - it’s a simple reduction of all nutrients within the medium overall. I tend to be more holistic about nutrient regimens than most - Light, air and stable temps are the limiting factors I’m most concerned with - nutrients are simply the supplements that the plant uses as it needs them - regardless of how much you’re putting Into the medium the plant is only going to use what it needs. With any nute regimen you can usually derive almost all required elements from a decent base nute - I just happen to have a few more than that to experiment with these days. Hope it makes sense and good luck with your grows👍😎🤙
Wilson_McNugget
Wilson_McNugget
@TheBudWhisperer, hey no problem.....ive been testing my first five grows now..got my first FLIP PHOTO right now....some heavy training one main line the other looks like groot..and one a football or star phish......all stretched out......it sounds like you are agreeing that what I think I have a problem with.....is probably my problem.... my auto's are looking great and I'm getting my best REAL SUGAR leaves this early into flower....and I am getting into the sixth week now on a 10-11wek plant....??? Maybe 12? Not trying to say I know whats going on....just trying to figure it out.....im pretty happy this time in 2 gallon root Master gro pro pots....using strawberry fields and CYCO Seamix coco together after starting in happy frog 0.3g air pot germination seedling... YOU HAVE GREAT STUFF.....I was looking for an educated opinion.......I think Iron makes bigger buds...but to much makes low thc airy buds???? while the mag, sul, p, k. and cal get locked out after VEG.....if the iron levels are still to high????? In substrate containing iron for sure.... only in my HAPPY FROG 2gal gro pro root master pot do I have the iron toxicity...but the others were on there way there...getting darker as flower went on...... CYCO Seamix coco alone has the morph self topping plant...crazy main lined itself..an auto.....I slowed her down moved her to a five gallon pot coco loco strawberry fields mix 2 to 5g transplant....my photos are in 9 gallon gro pro root masters pots...... From 0.3g air pots to 2g to 5gal to 9 gal.......roots looked nice each time stress free transplants... Just trying to get the best quality medicine possible..... Thank you for taking the time to get back to me.......I am getting rid of all extra iron....for my coco peat pearl nutrient mix...I need no iron......
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TheBudWhisperer
TheBudWhispererweek 3
@SuperSativaSeedClub - bean’s popped and growth has been look’n good👍. Thanks again for the prompt shipping and we’re hoping this ones an all-timer👌. Cheers!
Experimentgreen
Experimentgreenweek 1
Hahah you're so right! That's some super sweet packaging! I saw some transformers the other day that turn into tapes...must be making a come back. Lol
TheBudWhisperer
TheBudWhisperer
@Experimentgreen, I think u can make that argument and I’d def. be clicking that HST button for sure👍. And I’ll def. check that blue monkey too
Experimentgreen
Experimentgreen
@TheBudWhisperer, actually...speaking of outdoor, i sprouted a blue monkey seed this week and it was doing incredible!..... until i accidentally bumped it over and it kinda spilled out. So i gently put it back in it's cup....and if it survives this crash, It's destined to have a spot in the garden this year.😂 *I did wonder, if you shock and damage a plant this young do i get to call it "high stress training "?
TheBudWhisperer
TheBudWhisperer
@Experimentgreen, Leave that to Mother Nature! She can be a right cold bitch at the very worst of times am I right?! Hope she turns out like that shaman diddle ya though that’s for sure👍.
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Rock_n_Roll_Randy
Rock_n_Roll_Randyweek 15
Haha nice review for the bio tabs. I wo t be trying those🤣🤣🤣 I only like fresh asshole smell🤣🤣🤣🤣
Rock_n_Roll_Randy
Rock_n_Roll_Randy
@TheBudWhisperer,haha you are hilarious bro 🤣. Definitely not buying that shit🤣🤣
TheBudWhisperer
TheBudWhisperer
@Rock_n_Roll_Randy, combined with dead rat and decaying horse penis unfortunately🤣
Rock_n_Roll_Randy
Rock_n_Roll_Randy
@TheBudWhisperer,haha obviously not if you say it's rotten asshole 🤣🤣🤣🤣
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Punchman
Punchmanweek 14
Still looking good! 💪🏾
TheBudWhisperer
TheBudWhisperer
@Punchman, diddo bud, diddo👍😎👊
Punchman
Punchman
@TheBudWhisperer, in my opinion that’s the dope part about growing, everytime you think you mastered it you learn new ways to improve or mitigate promblems. Wish you and your fam the best during the lockdown!💪🏾
TheBudWhisperer
TheBudWhisperer
@Punchman, thanks very much for that dude - sadly, it still goes down in the books as one of those grows that’ll always have you asking how much better it could’ve been.🤷‍♂️👊
Silky_smooth
Silky_smoothweek 14
Try to give her coconutwater from a fresh coconut....just a cup....it Will revitalize her a bit.....and she Will bounce back better....🙏❤️
Silky_smooth
Silky_smooth
@TheBudWhisperer,o yeah forgot....because here in our regular supermarket we can still find them....
TheBudWhisperer
TheBudWhisperer
@Silky_smooth, I’d love to try that actually!.... just one problem - a coconut is gonna be pretty hard to find about now... lol - hope ur stayn safe silks!
Zenboy
Zenboyweek 15
Awesome Lava Freeze video mate, I learned a lot and I giggle every time that kid dances. I"ve got one of these seeds as a freebie, going by your work, She's worth it. Thanx again, learned lots !
TheBudWhisperer
TheBudWhisperer
@@Zenboy, lol - yeah that grow was a bust at the end but a good reminder about not using every nute under the sun just because you have it. Lol. Glad you enjoyed it👍
Grey_Wolf
Grey_Wolfweek 15
Congrats on the win 👍
TheBudWhisperer
TheBudWhisperer
@Grey_Wolf, 😬 - kinda awkward to receive an award for fuck’n up a grow but I’ll take the seeds for sure👍. Hey if it’s at all informative or entertaining then that’s worth something I guess. Cheers dude👊
Buddha2
Buddha2week 15
Congratulations on your harvest! I'm confident taste and smell will improve by the cure. It can make a big difference! 👍
TheBudWhisperer
TheBudWhisperer
@Buddha2, let’s hope so cuz she’s got nuth’n right now. Thanks for take’n a look!👊
ButtersStotch
ButtersStotchweek 15
Sick photos man! Great diary!
TheBudWhisperer
TheBudWhisperer
@ButtersStotch, cheers dude 🙏, burned the living holy f$&k outta her but ended up salvaging the grow - hate to think what she woulda been but what we have is actually pretty damn good following initial quality testing😉. Stay safe homie👊
Shagrath
Shagrathweek 15
Damn!! You're going to have a good harvest!! 🌲🌲🌲🌲🌲🌲🌲
TheBudWhisperer
TheBudWhisperer
@Shagrath, thanks for that bud. She isn’t going to count out to much but the frost suggests she’ll be a beauty smoke. Not long to the cure and test homie🤙😎👍👊
occultgreen420
occultgreen420week 1
wonderful strain, well grown!
TheBudWhisperer
TheBudWhisperer
@@occultgreen420, thanks dude. She’s def. some awesome genetics - not the perfect grow but no complaints for sure. Can’t wait to test it out👍😎👊
mr_h_kovert
mr_h_kovertweek 11
quality update dubs and lady looking bang on point gromo [haven't forgotten the t ; ] big fan of hst myself - stress = swell....most of the time!
TheBudWhisperer
TheBudWhisperer
@mr_h_kovert, cheers bud and all good on the t - what/whenever is all good homie🤟👊
Silky_smooth
Silky_smoothweek 10
Looking great....very lush and green.....cant hardly wait to see this one finish....❤️🖤
TheBudWhisperer
TheBudWhisperer
@Silky_smooth, 🙏🙏🙏👊
Silky_smooth
Silky_smoothweek 9
Filling the net up like a dream....🙏❤️
TheBudWhisperer
TheBudWhisperer
@Silky_smooth, stop it girl you’ll make me blush😊😊😊. Lol! Budlets just popped out today👍. Thanks for take’n a peek👊
mr_h_kovert
mr_h_kovertweek 8
coming on strong dubs. sterling work to date bro.
TheBudWhisperer
TheBudWhisperer
@mr_h_kovert, 🙏- she’s coming on strong for sure. Just a pain in the ass having to manage the stretch everyday but will be worth it👍
mr_h_kovert
mr_h_kovertweek 6
loving the side by side shots dubs. a healthy looking lady indeed.
TheBudWhisperer
TheBudWhisperer
@mr_h_kovert, thanks as always buddy. Been an interesting 6 weeks and hopefully we’ll be starting SCROG in short order👍
Pseudo
Pseudoweek 5
Wow sssc lava freeze 🤘👍
TheBudWhisperer
TheBudWhisperer
@@Pseudo, yeah dude - super excited for this one. She’s lookn to be a strong grow too so I guess we’ll see. Thanks for check’n it out👊