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Smartie Smartie
4 years ago
Good day Boys and Girls, welcome back ๐Ÿ‘ I had to postpone Jack and Barry's diaries for a day due to tight deadlines to finish the planters and the shade/misting house and ofcourse baby sister Strawberry taking away most of yesterday's attention. But here we are so let's do this ๐Ÿ˜‰ Jack had no issues with last week's 2nd topping and I would say he roughly doubled in size (keep forgetting to measure like I used to ๐Ÿ™„). Just like Barry who's out 1 week now they get a bit more stretchy than before but that had to be due to the superior CFL power they were given in their first weeks ๐Ÿคฃ As for today, only thing I did was attach the original LST to the planters and removed the fan leaves. I thought I would be able to do the 2nd round of LST as well but after trying 1 it seems I need a bit more growth on all 4 tips for something more/stronger to pull on. Probably next week ๐Ÿ˜Ž Did not water since last week because we had some rain (not that I would have to otherwise) so today I gave a bit of a treat with Seasol at 50%. Next week they all get Seasol at 100% for a last time, after that I will start using the water supplements and do a weekly foliar spray with fresh Aloe Vera. First topdressing should be at the start of November ๐Ÿค“ Info regarding soil, amendments and supplements can be found in week 5 and pictures of the soil-making process in week 1 of this diary ๐Ÿ˜‰ Cheers for stopping by, that's all folks ๐Ÿ˜โœŒ๏ธ Thanks for checking in everyone!!
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Grow Questions
Smartie
Smartiestarted grow question 4 years ago
Regarding manifolding/mainlining: Is there any difference or what would be preferred between: Topping as early as possible in week1 and LST new growtips in week2 vs letting stuff grow out for 2 weeks and Top and LST new growtips at the same time? Cheers ๐Ÿ‘
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Mr_Motalovah
Mr_Motalovahanswered grow question 4 years ago
Hey! For me it all comes down to how healthy are your plants. If they're growing vigorously I go ahead and Top n' LST at the same time. Then as she grows I continue the process fast. It's worked great for me, they bounce back fast and it's less time lost training and waiting. BUT I REPEAT it all comes down to how healthy they are. If your really interested in mainling take a look at this tutorial. It's a step by step on everything you need to know and do on main-lining. https://www.growweedeasy.com/mainlining-nugbuckets Hope this helped. Good luck and happy growing!
Smartie
Smartiestarted grow question 4 years ago
Hey, Today I noticed all my outdoor plants have pistils after being 3-5weeks outside. Is this normal and will they continue veg due to increasing days/temps? Also, could this be reversed with additional light? Currently in the 7th week of Spring with 14h light and 13h sunrise.
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Grey_Wolf
Grey_Wolfanswered grow question 4 years ago
Hi mate yes they will continue to veg if the day lengths are at 13 hours per day the pistils showing are just letting you know her sex and that she is physically ready to flower IF you wanted her to but with the 13 hrs of daily sunshine she should remain in veg until the days get shorter again usually early to mid Feb down under. A trick you can use to keep a plant vegging is to use solar lights close to the plants that will provide just enough light to trick your plant into thinking the days are longer than they really are Good luck mate
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Smartie
Smartieweek 9
@Shooey @Mrs_Larimar @Grey_Wolf @Med_in_Tropic wouldn't mind having your thoughts on my flower in veg question above โ˜๏ธ They are all feminised seeds and currently first light - last light = 14h and sunrise - sunset = 13h. Things would've showed earlier no? For sure in Jack's case, being out for nearly 5 weeks (= shorter day/colder temps). Obviously I don't want them to flower yet so can flowering be reversed, say by giving a bit extra light? So confusing as this would be the time plants are put outside for an Ozzy Outdoor grow ๐Ÿ™„ Anyhow, thanks in advance peeps ๐Ÿ˜˜
Smartie
Smartie
@Med_in_Tropic, Good thing is, we agreed that I could show her the investment to profit ratio ๐Ÿ˜‚ So whatever I spent throughout the grow is balanced with what I harvest and what's that worth in coin ๐Ÿ˜‰ If all goes well the numbers will do the talking and expansion is on the horizon ๐Ÿคฃ
Med_in_Tropic
Med_in_Tropic
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Smartie
Smartie
@Med_in_Tropic,๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚ I told her I needed a light because otherwise my plants would flower and that if I bought a flood light vs the solar lights I could use that as a working light or even for camping ๐Ÿ˜Ž๐Ÿ˜
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Smartie
Smartieweek 12
@Shooey @Mrs_Larimar @Grey_Wolf @Med_in_Tropic I added photos of Jack 3 days since last update.. You tell me ๐Ÿ˜‰ Cheers ๐Ÿ‘ Edit: Obviously it's a different time of the day(evening) than when I normally take pictures (morning)
Med_in_Tropic
Med_in_Tropic
@Smartie, yeah mate. No haste to trim the buds. But sooner is a bit better. Again, why the rush? I have a plant that flowered during cloning process. I trimmed after three to four weeks. But I think there are some buds left. If there are, I take a vid this Sunday.
Smartie
Smartie
@Med_in_Tropic, Cheers dude ๐Ÿ‘ I was saying the same to a mate the other day about trimming the buds. I'm guessing that doesn't need to happen asap? Just to make sure I know what I'm doing, links will be gladly accepted ๐Ÿ˜‚ Thanks โœŒ๏ธ
Smartie
Smartie
@Mrs_Larimar, Cool, I'll have a look ๐Ÿ‘
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Shooey
Shooeyweek 1
Hey mate, watching with interest. I am having my 2nd crack at the jack, also outdoor in AUS. The plan was some new strains but my seed orders are in limbo atm so going back to the jack again. I grew him last year too. As a plant it is not really overwhelming, but the finished product is sensational. Beautiful rich red hairs, and the taste!! I am one week ahead at this stage, and it will be good to keep an eye on yours as I am also all organic, and got some beautiful worm soil and castings to grow in this year thanks to my new compost bin. Donโ€™t forget the perlite too!! Iโ€™m also using a light to keep him vegging, but my plan is for a 5-6 week veg then outside for an early finish and another run in before the summer sizzle. Cheers mate ๐Ÿป
Smartie
Smartie
@Shooey, Cool, I'll check him out in a sec ๐Ÿ‘ As for the perlite in the amended soil, I use an aeration mix that includes Pumice (55%), Rice Hulls (40%) and Zeolite (5%) and its just beautiful.. It's the orange looking pile you see in the pictures, the other 2 Peat Moss and Worm castings, equal parts.. It's just so much better than just Perlite, no floating etc.. That's also the reason I tried this recipe for seed mix, instead of Peat, Perlite and compost in equal parts I now still have roughly 1/3 of compost and I use 2/3 of quality seed raising mix to use instead of Peat and Perlite.. All looking good for so far.. Cheers mate โœŒ๏ธ Edit: Why are the comments all over the place? ๐Ÿ˜‚ Should I stop using reply or am I missing something here lol
Shooey
Shooey
@Smartie, nice one smartie. Lucky you to grow up so close to the coffee shops. I always wanted to visit and hope to one day. I went as a kid but just for a family holiday! Yes perlite was for the main soil mix. I put in seedling pot mix too, it just helps the roots to move more freely and in the end access nutrients better. I learned a lot on here from grey wolf. Check him out, he is outdoor organic in oz too and he is usually happy to pass on his knowledge, great guy. Cheers Smartie!
Smartie
Smartie
@Shooey, Cheers for the comment bro!! I'll check out your diary in a minute ๐Ÿ˜‰ As for Jack, we know eachother for a longtime ๐Ÿ˜‚ I'm originally from Belgium so the closest coffee shop in Holland was 45min away, Amsterdam 3,5 hours (car).. Has been my favourite ever since, for the exact reasons you mentioned ๐Ÿ‘ You mean perlite in the soil I amended or in the seedling mix? โœŒ๏ธ
Shooey
Shooeyweek 6
Hes right on track and looking great. Nice technique mate ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿฝ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿฝ
Smartie
Smartie
@Shooey, Thanks, so far so good ๐Ÿ‘ Might launch a grower question after but I'm not sure if I like the Top 1 week and LST the week after thing or if I just let things grow out a bit more and top and LST at the same time and then let things recover again ๐Ÿค” Cheers anyway my friend ๐Ÿ‘
Secretflower
Secretflowerweek 6
Hi my friend, I wish you a very good culture, feel free to come and see what I do and leave a like if the heart tells you.. ๐ŸŒฑ
Ferenc
Ferencweek 6
Good Luck @Smartie
Shooey
Shooeyweek 5
Very interesting smartie. Looks really healthy too. Iโ€™m going all in on worms this year too thanks to the compost bin. Worm soil and tea! Itโ€™s an interesting technique mate and I canโ€™t say Iโ€™ve seen it before. Itโ€™s lovely and strong for sure! My jack had a setback so I started again, this time looking much better. Itโ€™s glorious weather already so early in the season, a treat for the outdoor organic grower, all the best mate๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘
Smartie
Smartie
@Shooey, Good to hear you were aware of it ๐Ÿ‘
Shooey
Shooey
@Smartie, we use half a cap full per 9l watering can and it really works! The veggie garden beams. I mix a small amount with dr greenthumbs high tea and although i dont have an aerator, a shake mix is acceptable. I still get that rich sweet smell and dilute this for soil drench. So far it has worked out nicely as a compliment to the nutrients. Cheers mate
Smartie
Smartie
@Shooey, Mmmm ๐Ÿค” There should be no excessive moisture in worm/compost bins, if there is that means your c/n ratio is off (worms and hot compost prefer 25-30 c/n ratio). This liquid is called leachate and can potentially harm your garden if used undiluted, however I know people who use it and seems to be fine. Regardless, this is no compost tea where you put a (tea)bag with compost/worm casting in a bucket of water and let that aerate for 24-48h using an aquarium air pump. This is called Activated Aerated Compost Tea. I had the same assumption in the beginning, in fact I added taps on the bottom of my bins for that ๐Ÿ˜‚ As for Bokashi, I've heard of it but enough on the plate as it is lol..
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Shooey
Shooeyweek 9
Very nice man. Really interesting to watch. Itโ€™s all going to plan ๐Ÿ‘
Shooey
Shooey
@Smartie, I really hope not mate, thereโ€™s still a long way to go bro ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘
Smartie
Smartie
@Shooey, You jynxed it ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿคฃ
Smartie
Smartie
@Shooey, Cheers dude, so far so good ๐Ÿ‘ Happy with the progress but looking forward to have them all 3 manifolded/trained tho ๐Ÿ˜‚
bioaccessory
bioaccessoryweek 5
ะธะฝั‚ะตั€ะตัะฝั‹ะน ะดะฝะตะฒะฝะธะบ, ัƒะดะฐั‡ะธ ะฑั€ะพ! ๐Ÿ‘Š
Smartie
Smartie
@bioaccessory, It's regular 50% shade cloth that you buy in a local hardware store ๐Ÿ‘ Comes in different colours, sizes and cover % โœŒ๏ธ
bioaccessory
bioaccessory
@Smartie, ะฟะพะดัะบะฐะถะธ ะฟะพะถะฐะปัƒะนัั‚ะฐ, ะธะท ะบะฐะบะพะณะพ ะผะฐั‚ะตั€ะธะฐะปะฐ ัะดะตะปะฐะฝ ั‚ะตะฝั‚ ะฝะฐ ั„ะพั‚ะพ "Talking about sun"๐Ÿ‘
Smartie
Smartie
@bioaccessory, Thanks! Same for you ๐Ÿ‘
Shooey
Shooeyweek 12
Man I canโ€™t help but think jack has fully bolted, looks like even some orange hairs appearing and even trichs building up by the look of some of those pics. Dude it might be worth finishing him out and getting what you can and planting again asap maybe?? Iโ€™m no expert man but mine are doing the same, and same last year. I donโ€™t reckon you would need to bring him in either, I donโ€™t even cover mine anymore,, itโ€™s a tough call matey Iโ€™m feelin ya. Youโ€™ve done so well with all the training and shaping him to perfection. ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿป
Shooey
Shooey
@Smartie, yeah mate there will be heaps to take away from this for future grows. I am interested to see if it does show signs of reveg like those singular leaves appearing in coming weeks. I feel as though once they hit a certain point they wonโ€™t likely go back, or at least that has happened to me so far, so much so that I plan for it now. With re vegging, I have heard that the hormonal changes from veg/flower/veg/flower affect the plants and the end result is not premium quality bud (grow from your heart podcast- Irie genetics). I havenโ€™t done it but it makes sense. I reckon jack is busting out, but that blueberry seems to be coming back around well enough bro. @med would know, he would have done stuff like that before just for fun!! ๐Ÿ˜„
Smartie
Smartie
@Shooey, I share that opinion mate, at least that he was too far gone before me intervening.๐Ÿ‘ Since today I'm starting to get the impression that he changed his mind (not saying that there's no damage done, or that all of a sudden the blind can see again tho ๐Ÿ™ˆ) as it looks like few colas almost doubled in size and there are more/bigger leaves ๐Ÿค“ For the sake of science and because I still believe in Jack, he will stay with the others for another week under the added light (7min added for the moment lol). After that it's nature's call. I know you're not a fan but what's the deal with revegging? Stress/hermie/yield? Sure someone must pulled it off successfully already no?๐Ÿ˜‚ Cheers mate โœŒ๏ธ
Mrs_Larimar
Mrs_Larimarweek 8
Howdy, just a tip you can pierce through the smartpots and ankering your bendings- Just take aknife or scissor and poke little holes into the bags,
Smartie
Smartie
@Mrs_Larimar, Hahaha you can't believe what I thought throughout today's whole frikking session ๐Ÿ˜‚ Although I would prefer pegs (ones shown in Barry's diary) for the first few stages of forming the manifold (pretty much where I'm at now). This would make six pegs in total which is not a drama in combination with topdressing. After that (so for me in 2 weeks and at 8 colas) I would start using the planters and the 6 pegs can go. But yeah I see what you're saying, would be a bit easier to use ties to the pot or pegs instead of the long, curly and very annoying piece of wire ๐Ÿคฃ Cheers ๐Ÿ‘
Ferenc
Ferencweek 8
Happy Growing! @Smartie
Smartie
Smartie
Cheers @Ferenc ๐Ÿ‘
Shooey
Shooeyweek 7
Looking really nice Smartie. Temps are up there already hey, I hope itโ€™s not a sign of another brutally hot summer,,, although you are more prepared this year with the shade and mist set up. ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘
Smartie
Smartie
@Shooey, Cheers cob ๐Ÿ‘ For the moment the weather is a bit all over the shop, but yeah we've had a few 35ers already in the first month of Spring ๐Ÿ˜Ž But then this week not more than 25 and a shower here and there ๐Ÿคท The misting should help to drop temps by 10, as for shade, to keep the scorching heat between 10am-2pm away I will definitely have to make some changes ๐Ÿค” โœŒ๏ธโœŒ๏ธ
Mrs_Larimar
Mrs_Larimarweek 4
Its easy to see you grow with Passion love and brain...
Smartie
Smartie
@Mrs_Larimar, thank you, means a lot.. But I think that regardless of equipment, motivation, capabilities, etc if you take the time and effort to take a picture and write stuff down to share, you basically have a minimum of those qualities. I would like to give a special thanks to my ADHD, OCD and Compulsive Behaviour for being there with me and believing in me when no one else did ๐Ÿคฃ๐Ÿคฃ๐Ÿคฃ๐Ÿคฃ๐Ÿคฃ
Shooey
Shooeyweek 14
Hi mate. Sent you a PM. Click the little arrow on the bottom right of the page and hit me back when you see it. Cheers
northernMike
northernMikeweek 11
Luck from Canada๐Ÿ‘Š Grow Big!!
SwedenX
SwedenXweek 11
Looking great! Nice work and happy growing!
DreamOn
DreamOnweek 11
Nice job, looks great! Good luck further and have fun! ๐ŸŒฑ๐Ÿ˜Ž
Shooey
Shooeyweek 3
Looking very happy there mate ๐Ÿ‘
Med_in_Tropic
Med_in_Tropicweek 12
If root is an issue, have you tried Mycorrhiza?
Smartie
Smartie
@Med_in_Tropic, Not really sure if it's a root issue. I think he was preflowering for a while and I just didn't see it early enough between all topping, training and manifolding ๐Ÿคฃ But then today he looked better again ๐Ÿ˜Ž Like I said I'm not giving up on him.. I know Mycorrhizal tho, was on next year's shopping list ๐Ÿ˜‰ Cheers ๐Ÿ‘