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Has anyone tried Ethephon containing products such as Florel?

johdlong
johdlongstarted grow question 3 years ago
I am gonna spray my hermies with this stuff that has Ethephon in it. Hopefully itll deter my herms from making pollen. I was wondering if anyone on here has it and if its effective for them? I'm only gonna try one or two at a time in case it hurts them. They're just herms anyways
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m0use
m0useanswered grow question 3 years ago
This is the EPA regulation on it. https://www3.epa.gov/pesticides/chem_search/reg_actions/reregistration/fs_PC-099801_1-Apr-95.pdf This link break down PGR's on cannabis. https://highalert.org.nz/articles/what-is-pgr-cannabis-and-how-do-you-spot-it/ If you plant is hermi, call it a loss vs treat it with chemicals if you plan on smoking this bud. There is a small line in the EPA document saying plants sprayed should not be consumed for 2-60 days after treatment. Don't know what it fully means, or why its such a wide window. It also recommends not spraying aorund grazing areas of animals. It causes organ toxicity but not linked to caner as of yet, this all regarding Ethephon. I would avoid it and just get better genetics, it also kills off flowers that product the fruit, I would like to think this would be the whole flower m+F not just the male parts. Bananas also release ethylene gas much like that product does internally in the plant cells. Could toss a bunch in the tent every week and hope for the best lol. But if the plant is prone to hermi traits I don't think this will solve it. Good Luck!
Organoman
Organomananswered grow question 3 years ago
Whatever you do, DO NOT smoke anything sprayed with this super toxic and residual chemical! It is likely to cause cancer!
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m0use
m0useanswered grow question 3 years ago
If you need any other help shoot me a DM' Your inbox Is the little green arrow in the bottom right hand corner of your screen. Good Luck!
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laststandchancer
laststandchanceranswered grow question 3 years ago
With some online inquiry, I found that a foliar dosage for "Florel" may be ~30 mL/gallon water. Assuming the information on the label (listed at 3.9% Ethephon), this makes the plants dose approximately 1.17 mL ethephon/gallon or 1.64 grams/gallon. So, you spray a gallon of this solution on your plants... Let's say you will consume the entirety of the grow across a timeframe of 3 months: leaves, stems, and all, (you obviously won't lol) and let's also say 100% of the ethephon you apply stays on or in the plant until consumption (It won't, in the plant it is metabolized to ethylene, and it isn't actually persistent in the environment, but I can't say the same for a grow tent). Basically, we will just assume you will consume 100% of the ethephon you've applied across a timeframe of 3 months. In the given case above, you would be consuming the entirety of 1.64 grams across 90 days, or 18.22 milligrams of ethephon per day. If you weigh 60kg, you are consuming 0.304 mg/kg body weight per day. A pubchem source tells us "The overall NOAEL (No Observed Adverse Effect Level) for short-term (28 days) effects of ethephon in humans exposed for at least 2 weeks was 0.5 mg/kg bw per day." Now keep in mind this number of 0.304 mg/kg bw per day was calculated assuming 100% of what was applied in one application will stay in the final product. (In reality this is not the case, as some will be absorbed into the plant and metabolized to ethylene, some will miss the plant entirely or will be washed off during your other foliar applications.) Also, you must keep in mind that these numbers are regarding direct oral consumption of ethephon, not inhalation of the smoke byproducts. Judge these numbers as you will, but according to my logic, you could theoretically "safely" drink 1/3 of the solution you prepare across 30 days, as five women had received 2.2 mg/kg bw per day for 28 days. TLDR: I wouldn't apply it more than once per grow, if at all. https://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/source/hsdb/2618#section=Human-Toxicity-Excerpts-(Complete) https://inchem.org/documents/jmpr/jmpmono/2002pr05.htm#1.4 Here are some human volunteer tests sourced from the inchem link: When volunteers were given ethephon orally at a dose of 0.17 or 0.33 mg/kg bw per day (in three divided doses), the only significant finding was inhibition of plasma cholinesterase activity. No gross symptoms or changes in haematological, clinical chemical or urine end-points were associated with treatment (Weir, 1977a). In another study, 10 male and 10 female volunteers received ethephon orally by capsule at 0.5 mg/kg bw per day for 16 days. Plasma cholinesterase activity was significantly inhibited, but no gross symptoms or changes in haematological, clinical chemical or urine end-points were associated with treatment (Weir, 1977b). In a third study, five male volunteers received a dose of 1.5 mg/kg bw per day and five women received 2.2 mg/kg bw per day for 28 days, followed by a 14-day dose-free period. Neither plasma nor erythrocyte cholinesterase activity was inhibited, but transient symptoms consistent with inhibition of acetylcholinesterase activity, including urinary urgency and gastrointestinal effects, were reported. The overall NOAEL for short-term effects of ethephon in humans was 0.5 mg/kg bw per day (Reese, 1971, 1972). "After considering the previous evaluation of ethephon, the new data submitted and recent publications in the open literature, the Meeting established an acute RfD of 0.05 mg/kg bw on the basis of the NOAEL of 0.5 mg/kg bw in studies in humans given repeated doses and a 10-fold safety factor"
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m0use
m0useanswered grow question 3 years ago
Id also be more prone to picking off all pollen sacks as well to try and get the most out of my weed vs spray this.
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