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girlwhogrows
girlwhogrowsstarted grow question 9 months ago
Best LED grow light for a 4x4 Could anybody please suggest which LED light they would recommend for a 4x4 grow. Willing to spend around £500 maximum as I really want to invest however most videos on YouTube are marketing their own. Really appreciate your advice. Many thanks!
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Sit_Ubu_Sit_Good_Dog
Sit_Ubu_Sit_Good_Doganswered grow question 9 months ago
Read wiki on Daily Light Integral (DLI) .. get the gist of it. roughly 500 watts of a high efficacy light can do it... or maybe 600-650 watts of a low efficacy cheaper light can do it. 16sq ft is roughly 1.5m^2. So, for photoperiods/12 hour operation requirements you want 900*1.5 = 1350 umol/s PAR produced by the light. This is "900 PPFD" and over 12 hours that's up near 40 DLI.. think it is 38.9 if memory serves. This may be 5% too much.. maybe 10%. IMO, better to err slightly on high side. Over time can mitigate the loss of 10% from dimming over 50,000+ hours of use. If you stick to autoflowers on an 18 hour cycle, you need 2/3rds of "1350 umol/s", or about 900 umol/s for 16 sq ft to reach same 38.9 DLI. You can see that DLI is 1:1 inversely related. If it runs for 150% of the time, it needs 2/3rds of the power to give the same DLI. So, if you plant to grow autos or photos, exclusively, it puts different requirements on your equipment. If yo plan to do both you should be realtive to 12 hours operation requirements for obvious reasons. "requirements" is more of a suggestion for upper end of ambient CO2 conditions. actually max dli you can provide will vary from another garden due to varying factors like ambient co2, temp and RH%. you can save money with cheaper lights but when you get up to 500-600watts it becomes at lot easier to recoop any additional day-one cost by saving on each electric bill. You can work out a break-even analysis with this info. If you use the light year round, it should last 6-7 years before you get to 50,000 hours and they go downhill faster after that point (see longevity curve of diode) Go for lights with 2.7-2.9umol/J efficacy. Lights listing a higher efficacy should be looked at with skepticism. Far too often manufacturers either bastardize the numbers or plain lie on the spec sheets. You can always reference the diodes from the original manufacturer's site (like samsung or osram etc). The power at which they are run is the key. If the spec sheet says they are run at 0.2 watts to get the given specifications, any power above that will reduce efficacy and also reduce longevity of the diodes. Specifically for samsung 301 chips -- you want 4-5x as many diodes as watts.. or divide watts by diodes and should be .20-.25. After that it's just about build quality.. is it flimsy or does it have a good heat sink? They often give the highest efficacy of all didoes used and pawn it off as the efficacy of the light. or.. worse.. based it on the 6500K diodes (cooler CCT = higher efficacy) specs even though they don't use any of those diodes, lol.. or, like i said.. plain lies. mars hydro generally has good prices in north america. they have really improved the accuracy of their spec sheets over the last 5 years or so. Comparing what you find in your region to the "FC" series (fc-4800 for example) is a good way to ensure a high quality light with high efficacy. if they diodes are running up near .4w - .5w ,, this should be a "cheap" light. they are not bad, necessarily, but should be cheaper because they will cost more to operate and they will dim/die faster while running hotter in that time too. efficacy = longevity efficacy = lower operation costs for same strength of light. efficacy is king. distribution of diodes is no better than the 'bar' style for sure.. that's common sense you can see with your eyes.
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Jimmy89
Jimmy89answered grow question 9 months ago
Check out the migro YouTube channel, there’s a video on there where he compares the best lights for a 4x4 I’ve got two of the migro aray 4x4s in my 4x8 and I’m really impressed with them! Really good build quality and in your budget
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TheUk420Show
TheUk420Showanswered grow question 9 months ago
I just got a Maxibright 720watt varidrive im yet to harvest with it yet but I paid 280 for it which I don't think is too bad but it covers every square inch of a 4x4 as its made for a 5x5 so if you like to do scrog grows like me then its a great choice to get equalt light over the plant canopy but if you prefer a panel light look into hlg lights they are very good 600w will set you back about 400-500 but well worth it end of the day its your money up to you its one thing you just don't wanna skimp out on as if it wasn't obvious light is quite important to plants lool
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Rangaku
Rangakuanswered grow question 9 months ago
The se5000 from spider farmer pulls me 2 pound per run . I used HPS not so long ago and didn’t think LED could produce but they do
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m0use
m0useanswered grow question 9 months ago
Can't beat Ubu's answer its got the facts and knowledge behind it all. I'm using Medic Grow lights atm and they are nice, I've also used SpiderFarmer in the past and SunBlaster brand. My fav was Sunblaster but they are not that efficient. :( there are lots of brands so go with the one that has good specs and cost an ok amount. don't do blue-purple. don't do HID lighting its harder to work with and look at 3rd party reviews on the lights from guys like Migrow on youtube to see what others are saying about it. Good Luck!
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FuzzySnout
FuzzySnoutanswered grow question 9 months ago
BTW, amazon.ca ships only domestically. But it cost the same 499.99 Canadian dollars on the company site Canadian branch. UK branch says £499.99 and "sold out" https://viparspectra.co.uk/products/viparspectra-ks5000-500w-led-grow-light, EU branch doesn't exist.
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LSchnabel
LSchnabelanswered grow question 9 months ago
I think bar style lights will end up being the most dominate light fixture in the near future. In a 4x4 area I think your best bet is to get something in the 500-700 watt range. I myself think the VIPARSPECTRA KS5000 is a great light for the money. Hope this helps.
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FuzzySnout
FuzzySnoutanswered grow question 9 months ago
I agree with AutoflowersSucK, bar style lights are great, you can remove or add new bars as you like, the only drawback is that new bars have to be the compatible (they might not be compatible even if they are from the same brand but for different model).
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FuzzySnout
FuzzySnoutanswered grow question 9 months ago
Hello! This is just my opinion as a newbie. I would consider LED lights as a part of the whole setup. If you have 4x4 grow tent it's plausible that eventually you would want to automate the environment monitoring and adjustment. As far as I understood low-budget LEDs for home use (this is what you are aiming for) fans, etc. don't work together via automated system if they are from different brands. For instance, using AC Infinity Controller, you won't be able to control LEDs from other brand and so on. Otherwise I would look into 3 brands: - Spider Farmer - Mars Hydro They both sell in EU, ship from Germany with EU plug, but it will be cheaper than buying in UK. - AC Infinity They ship from US with US plug - but even after paying post and taxes it will be even cheaper than buying in EU. Basically all devices I checked from these companies are 240V - that means you can use it in UK without transformer, you just need a travel adapter that you can get for £1. Also be prepared that during flowering phase (or even earlier) you'll have to get supplement lights such as UV and deep red, as far as I understood, even though many brands declare that they LEDs are okay for the whole grow circle, everybody says they are not, and the same brands do sell supplemental lights (kind of against logic, right :-) ?
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Belgiums_basement_budz
Belgiums_basement_budzanswered grow question 9 months ago
I’m also looking to buy a led in the future and the mammoth emerald green line leds caught my attention the specs vs price are really good they are around 600€ and they’re output is equal or better than a lot of leds in 1000€ range But in the end everything depends on how your setup and grow style is and what you like,best way to find out is YouTube,there are a few good comparisons videos for the new 2024 Leds online since a few weeks,I found the mammoth Led this way,I thought they only made growtents 😅
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AutoflowersSucK
AutoflowersSucKanswered grow question 9 months ago
By the way, i forgot to mention. If you let your cat outside and have tit around your indoor garden, then god help you and the future pest wars your going to wage in that garden. Spider Mites are great fun :)
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AutoflowersSucK
AutoflowersSucKanswered grow question 9 months ago
I like bar style lights over ion boards. Better light distribution i think. The best bang for your buck would be a Viperstectra 6 Bar. This is the light i'd get if i was in the market. VIPARSPECTRA KS5000 LED Grow Light 500W with Samsung LM301H Osram Diodes 6 Bars Grow Light, 4x4ft Coverage Full Spectrum Uniform Dimmable Daisy Chain Commercial Grow Lamp for Indoor Plants Thats on Amazon for 549 cdn. It was 100 off just a week ago.
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