Light upgrade question

RemoveYourChains
RemoveYourChainsstarted grow question 2mo ago
I have a 250W vipar p2500 LED currently. my power budget is ~400W Would you buy a single bigger new light or would you buy 1-2 smaller ones to use with the existing light? What brands/model would you recommend?
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00110001001001111Oanswered grow question 2mo ago
it doesn't matter... whichever has a better resulting coverage - distribution of light - will be better if all other factors are the same. PPF or umol/s PAR is the key specification to compare in that regard. if it produces the same rate of PAR photons, the results will be very similar and only deviate due to dsitribution of light. So, if 2 lights better covers the area, then sure... in most cases it'll make very little difference so i woudln't overspend for either context. 400w can mean drastically different things due to differences in efficacy -- how well it converts electricity to photon production in the wavelength range plants can use (PAR). High efficacy = quality. If something is priced high but not around 2.8-2.9 umol/J efficacy, it's over-priced garbage. The best way to assess this is to compare to the testing paramaters on the diode manufacturer's website, like the LM301 from samsung.com. It's tested at 0.2w per diode, so longevity and effeicacy is tied to that fact. Piping moe rpower through that diode will cause it to die faster and operate less efficiently. Slight deviations are not so bad, but doubling and tripling has a significnat impact. Any LM301-based light up around .4-.5w per diode and higher are not going to last "50,000" hours and it's efficacy is nowhere near the high end even if it advertises something close to 3umol/J. umol/J, simplified... just multiply watts x umol/J and it should equal the umol/s PAR output of the light.. one more way to double-check the light manufacturer's spec sheet... many, if not most lie through their teeth, so you always have to compare to the diode manufacturer testing specs. Those can be trusted. lights are simple. if they use a good diode, use a proper amount of diodes relative to power, and have some decent heat dissipation, it will be an excellent light regardless of brand name. Learn how all that jives together and it's easy to recognize a high quality light... and easy to size one correctly for your needs. 400w with a high efficacy light will be around 1100umol/s PAR output. Less efficient lights will fall short of that. 12-hour operation 1100 / 900PPFD = 1.22 m^2 coverage for ~39 DLI (daily light integral) That's how much a high efficacy 400w of light could cover -- assuming shape of lights fit area of coverage.. i assume you can apply common sense like that when looking at options. the math is a ballpark. Always have to adjust based on observed growth pattern due to local variables. this gets you close. 18h for autoflowers you could cover 50% more area while operating 18 hours per day. Or, with vege phase of photoperiods, you run the light at 67% and cover the same 1.22m^2.
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Ketamine
Ketamineanswered grow question 2mo ago
I would buy the single light with more power. I would get a 315 LEC IMO
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ATLien415
ATLien415answered grow question 2mo ago
obligatory 'SF is in the middle of almost certainly going bankrupt over a lawsuit regarding their labelling of their diodes' reply since we have multiple people acclaiming their lights due to diode listing. wont give a brand recc but i would go with a single unit and have it be much more powerful than your largest draw you plan on using it with. economics run after run after run is down to work hours and efficiency. likely any light off amazon even these days is gonna be fire for the first run. i advise against two but you could use superposition to get your custom par map and it would be accurate for the most part
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Crusty_Juggler
Crusty_Juggleranswered grow question 2mo ago
Always go with more lights! - Better spread - Accomodate different plant heights - Back-up if a light breaks Don't go by brand but by diodes and driver: Diodes = Samsung LM301 (any subtype), Cree J series Driver = Meanwell HLG or XLG series, Inventronics
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HinduGod
HinduGodanswered grow question 2mo ago
DAT WOULD DEPEND ON DA SET UP!! PEOPLE DO LIGHT TESTS ON DA YOUTUBE!!! EXAMPLE DA MIGRO GUY!!!!
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JimmyWhite
JimmyWhiteanswered grow question 2mo ago
Hello, I'd decide it depending on the grow space. Bigger space, I'd buy and use additional lights to hit the plants from different angles. Smaller space, I'd buy one powerful light, in your case 400w. I'm really happy with Spider Farmer and Mars Hydro LEDs. Would recommend Spider Farmer G or FC series depending on your budget. Happy grows and good luck!
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