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2 x 2 Steel Cabinet
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Defoliation
weeks 2-5, 7-8, 12
FIMing
weeks 3
Topping
weeks 3-4
LST
weeks 3-5, 7-8
Expanded Clay
Grow medium
Mineral Wool
Grow medium
30 L
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Grow Conditions
Week 9
Flowering
60.96
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inch
Height
24 hrs
Light Schedule
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Hydronaut Hydronaut
3 years ago
Day 60: Moving along but keeping an eye on some leaf discoloration. Older leaves possibly showing signs from the older deficiency? Replace 150 watt with 240 watt bar light. BARELY fits in there, but it does with some wiggle room. Temperature went a bit crazy at full brightness as expected. I can control some it, but it can only work in this tiny space at 200 watt or 75% brightness which winds up being optimal. PPFD is super even at about 750 PPFD across the entire canopy. This is much less in the center and much more at the perimeter. Definitely will be buying these type of lights moving forward. No contest. I was as low as 400 PPFD at perimeter and nearly 2000 PPFD at center with old light and only 8” light distance. Bar light has had a massive impact on temp control and humidity inside the tiny grow after some calibration. Dropped humidity by 5-7% and temps by 5 degrees! All about the airflow, or maybe a more efficient light. Either way a big overall improvement for tiny spaces, noted. I tried to do this grow with 3 res changes and I’m wondering if my leaf issues are related. Dumb statement but 5 changes seems to be the magic number. I may have something brewing in the cauldron too or I was just blasting them with light until I moved shelf out and rejigged a few other things to increase light distance to 14” and get a better focal on the canopy.
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Grow Questions
Hydronaut
Hydronautstarted grow question 3 years ago
Can some of you tell me what you consider day 1? Tap sprout, breaking soil/medium, etc? One of those things that deserve standardization of sorts, right?
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Germination. Cube
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Hashy
Hashyanswered grow question 3 years ago
I usually class day 0 as the day they break ground and day 1 the day after cos its 1 day old.
Hydronaut
Hydronautstarted grow question 3 years ago
If for my grow, I call day 1 when the seed breaks medium, should I be including the next 6 days under germination week, or start week 2 as veg?
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Germination. Other
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Ezzjaybruh
Ezzjaybruhanswered grow question 3 years ago
Interesting papa T - I get it’s not true veg til a few weeks in but there’s no seedling stage for the diary so I just start week 1 of veg on the diary as the day it pops thru medium and cotyledons open and face the light
Hydronaut
Hydronautstarted grow question 3 years ago
Can one top an Auto (10-14 week strain) in late 4th week? I’ve been topping on day 21 since growing autos but feel there room based on past grows. Advantages/Disadvantages if done before preflower?
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Setup. Strain - Autoflowering
Techniques. Topping
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Papa_T
Papa_Tanswered grow question 3 years ago
Most people generally don’t top an auto but your plant is looking like fire and you’ve got a good grasp of what you’re doing by the looks of it. So I say if you’re having success doing what you do then don’t change bro. It sounds like you already know when to do this strategically as to not stress the plant at critical phases. Obviously the short lifespan of an auto makes it less desirable to stress it through its life. But a plant is a plant and it can be topped. But topping before preflower is gonna decreases bud sites. I don’t think there’s benefits from doing this at this point. Cheers 🤙
Hydronaut
Hydronautstarted grow question 3 years ago
My Plantess is bigger than the BBanner, Zkittlez, GGlue Autos grown in the past; same genetic stature. By the end of week 4 she will be wall-to-wall and 10-11"H. I lateralized branches for when FIM-job grows in. 24" max plant height. Move her out of this 2 x 2 tin can?
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Plant. Other
Techniques. LST
Techniques. HST
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m0use
m0useanswered grow question 3 years ago
I'd keep it in that, autos don't like getting moved around to much.
Hydronaut
Hydronautstarted grow question 3 years ago
Could I top this FIM from a week ago? I have lateralized all her branches, but feel there is a lot of catching up to do. Branch spread is ideal for this grow space, but comparatively low. Am I really effecting yield, if I am satisficed with the growth in place and take the top?
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Techniques. Topping
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m0use
m0useanswered grow question 3 years ago
Normally at this point in a grow I would say no, and use LST. Trying to even it out with the two shoot from that node to give your self another main cola. but your plant is massive, and looks like its doing very well. I Don't think that little nubbin going missing will do shit to your over all yields. Its a BEAST! Go for it. Pinch that little sucker off. Happy Growing!
Hydronaut
Hydronautstarted grow question 3 years ago
My plant grew massively the first 4 weeks, and leaves became jammed regardless of my training techniques. A medium defoliation, turned into a massacre! Growth slowed last two days - almost up to speed again. What will come of a near "Schwazz" in early week 6 (auto), in the end?
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Techniques. Defoliation
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Fruitgrower
Fruitgroweranswered grow question 3 years ago
That's not necessarily true what organoman said below. As long as the plant is healthy, Taking off some excess foliage and small budsites is good for the plant and the end result. Pulling off dead or dying leaves and lower down leaves actually makes more sugars and nutrients available to the plant and causes a mild stress response which strengthens and send food to the other branches. It should also be mentioned that this should only be done before and after the flowering stretch, avoid during stretch period can stunt growth. 🌱👍
Hydronaut
Hydronautstarted grow question 3 years ago
Twice between heavy defoliations the were leaves were so jammed together some leaves would get wet from contact with other leaves. It's the only leaf on the whole plant like this - as of now. Seems like Calmag? Product of sweating? Nute splash? (week 7 photos)
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Leaves. Color - Dark-brown
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m0use
m0useanswered grow question 3 years ago
If it's only on one leaf I would not worry to much about it. It could have been water damage from being wet like you said and then getting burnt from the lights. Or a splash of the nutrients. Don't panic if its just one leaf and keep an eye on it. Don't remove it as well, if it gets much worse on that leaf then it will help us determine what it could be. Good Luck!
Hydronaut
Hydronautstarted grow question 3 years ago
Leaves have faint large spots in the center/top of the plant. Light is 8” from the center of the plant. Almost purplish/gray color. I have a mid grow flush coming up this Saturday. Long flush? Is the light distance to blame, something else?
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Leaves. Other
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m0use
m0useanswered grow question 3 years ago
your NPK in GH nutes alone is. 1.3-2.5-4.3 add in the others as well. silicon 0-0-4 calmeg 1-0-0 koolbloom 0-10-10 floralicious 2-.8-.02 I don't think it needs more potassium, maybe less. Could try 1ml-1.2ml calmg vs .8ml excess potassium also looks similar to what your experiencing. and needing phosphorus also looks like this. excess potassium locks out calcium as well and this looks like that too. I'd cut back potassium somewhere maybe armor SI and Kool Bloom / flora grow. Could as in more micro to boost the lost nitrogen from grow. Best Of Luck!
Hydronaut
Hydronautstarted grow question 3 years ago
This is a note for my previous question. Wanted to pass along my auto feeding schedule is in my germination week if it helps any. Also my Koolbloom ppm wasn’t set to ml/gal so that was looking way off in a number of weeks so I updated that
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Leaves. Other
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m0use
m0useanswered grow question 3 years ago
Was wondering what happened to my old answer, its a new question lol. that photo is small and blurry but I made out most of it. week 7-9 flower still looking at NPK of 3.0-4.3-7.43 I still think potassium is on the high side and phosphorus could be a bit higher. Cheers,
Hydronaut
Hydronautstarted grow question 3 years ago
Despite fimming, topping, & numerous HEAVY defoliations (only few days between lashings) into week 6, she's still vivacious. Week 6, I sat her back in the chair. Will she bulk up soon, or is there a Auto "tell-all" on day 50 with final yield? 10-14 week strain. Stretch over.
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Buds. Not fattening
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Ezzjaybruh
Ezzjaybruhanswered grow question 3 years ago
It looks good. Don’t do any more defoliation tho. Autos are all over the damn place.. some finish in 70, some finish in 120. There’s been weeks difference I’ve seen in the same strain. Relax, and let it be for a bit, you’re in good shape. I have noticed some I ran awhile back would have this like period around this time where they just coasted and seemed to not put on any serious weight. It was annoying, personally. That’s just my experience but give it time man. It’ll be good. Hydro is good at rebounding
Hydronaut
Hydronautstarted grow question 3 years ago
Plant exceeded growth expectations. Now the light penetration is not at the desired PPFD half way down this crowded plant. Any reason not to upgrade to a 250 bar light during flower with Autos?
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Setup. Lighting
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m0use
m0useanswered grow question 3 years ago
As long as its not going to burn them, go for it. Good Luck!
Hydronaut
Hydronautstarted grow question 3 years ago
Is changing the light cycle of an autoflower from 18/6 to 20/4 in mid flower too stressful? Doing so would bump my DLI enough to keep my existing light through harvest. She sleeps like clockwork but less so now in mid flower. Will she adjust in a couple days to a longer day?
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Setup. Lighting
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Grey_Wolf
Grey_Wolfanswered grow question 3 years ago
@Hydronaut because of its genetics it will hardly miss a beat if you change lighting cycles just keep in mind the extra heat generated with the extra 2 hours of light if that could be an issue
Hydronaut
Hydronautstarted grow question 3 years ago
What is dry weight considered for GD? Any general consensus? Seems subjective and I hate trimming bud and cut off the good stuff and toss larf and not so sexy buds in the trash. It’s usable but I have no need for most of my harvests and tend to grab the high end jewelry and run.
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Ezzjaybruh
Ezzjaybruhanswered grow question 3 years ago
Yeah bro just do what pleases you lol.. I do my weight about 7-10 days after chop that has a decent trim..
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Hydronaut
Hydronautcommentedweek 03 years ago
Is there a consensus of when day 1 starts? I always called day 1 the day the seedling breaks the medium surface as seeds can pop in one day, or five. I know there are plenty of opinions here. Thoughts?
Hydronaut
Hydronautcommentedweek 103 years ago
Note to Self #1: Don’t forget to start raising PH starting transition!
Hydronaut
Hydronautcommentedweek 73 years ago
Day 44: She's looking good, and stretching at a rate of 2"/day in her tin can. I did a light defoliation and cleaned up training wires. I'll leave her be from here on out; less some selective defoliation to keep sites open. I cut CO2 (which would have been helpful a bit earlier), and may turn back on at the end of week 8, time will tell.
Hydronaut
Hydronautcommentedweek 53 years ago
She's growing rapidly for sure. I squeezed in 3 defoliation/LST sessions in week 4, and just finish my fourth in week 5. Recovered and moving forward, within hours every time. Getting good light penetration/new shoot growth. Some of her extremities are near 90 degree angles now, with smaller branches racing to the top. Hoping the low branches catch up soon, there quite the growth happening at the FIM location, and she may take off again!
alchemist
alchemistcommentedweek 03 years ago
Dude this is real impressive grow room!!can you talk to the plants with the cameras??
Hydronaut
Hydronautcommented3 years ago
Hehe, of course I can! How would one feel if they were locked up in 4 square feet for 12 weeks with no one to talk to! There’s a group call PETA that’s seems to be sweeping the industry. (People for the Ethical Treatment of Autoflowers).
homerjgangia
homerjgangiacommentedweek 03 years ago
Good luck with your grow mate!💪💪
Hydronaut
Hydronautcommented3 years ago
Getting close H. I screwed up a number of things on this run, but still hoping for a HP!
BUDMAN73
BUDMAN73commentedweek 03 years ago
very nice 😍 Happy growing
Hydronaut
Hydronautcommented3 years ago
I'm always happy what a plant gives me regardless I what I have done to her!
Roberts
Robertscommentedweek 03 years ago
Nice grow system 🌱🤜🤛
Hydronaut
Hydronautcommented3 years ago
Thanks Roberts. It’s not as complicated as it seems!
Psilocubensis
Psilocubensiscommentedweek 63 years ago
Great grow! What is the size of the cabin?
Hydronaut
Hydronautcommented3 years ago
It's a coffin. 22" x 22" inside growing footprint - if that. I gotta say, I can't figure this girl out in it though. Can't kill her, let alone train her to fit in the tin can. Wild grow from a defoliation perspective. Maybe all she needs is time, to shine. Fingers crossed!
m0use
m0usecommentedweek 03 years ago
I'm liking the way that stealth grow cabinet is looking!
Hydronaut
Hydronautcommented3 years ago
m0use, you are just plain chill. Such a great grower, resource, and not overly opinionated!
Psilocubensis
Psilocubensiscommentedweek 03 years ago
your cabinet is really beautiful !!!! How about the noise?
Hydronaut
Hydronautcommented3 years ago
46 dB - update 38 dB to be in the 20’s soon.
Y0ink
Y0inkcommentedweek 03 years ago
When the going gets tough, the tough get going! Good luck! 👊🏽💪🏽💚
Godesskat
Godesskatcommentedweek 113 years ago
Good luck with your grow mate!💪💪
Hydronaut
Hydronautcommented3 years ago
Thanks M!
HAPPYWEEDS
HAPPYWEEDScommentedweek 113 years ago
Close to the end. Wish you all the best with harvest soon =)
Hydronaut
Hydronautcommented3 years ago
Gotta harvest on March 2 whether I like it or not. Blazing out of town for a bit, yet she looks like she'll be just about there before I cruise!
cannapassion
cannapassioncommentedweek 73 years ago
Good Luck for the futur 👌💪💪
Hydronaut
Hydronautcommented3 years ago
Yes the future! Next run coming soon!
Kynareth
Kynarethcommentedweek 63 years ago
good grow buddy
Hydronaut
Hydronautcommented3 years ago
Thanks E. It could be much better, but I let some of the most basic parameters get away from me!