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Side-by-Side GDP: Fox Farms vs. Advanced

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GrimbolTheDruid GrimbolTheDruid
8 years ago
DISCLAIMER(S): I have no interest or ties (financial, employment or otherwise) with either product manufacturer. I am doing this purely out of personal curiosity and thought others might enjoy watching as well. I will do my best to preserve the integrity of this blind experiment. If I am forced to learn the true identities of the nutrient trios for any reason, I will make note of them in that week's notes. Please take any conclusions from this trial with a grain of salt as this is only a comparison of one plant to another which may be influenced by irrelevant factors such as genetics, sprouting speed, or simply a particularly vigorous seed. In my opinion, you would need a larger sample size to truly draw a definitive conclusion. Now on to the fun stuff. Enjoy! Hello Everyone! Experiment parameters: So for my third grow I decided to do something a little different. In the past I have tried using the Fox Farms (FF) hydro trio but had persistent issues with nutrient burn (even at 1/8 recommended dosage well into veg) and immobility. I decided to flush them for 24 hours and try General Hydro's (GH) trio instead. The results were almost immediate recovery, new growth with no burns, and a much smoother ride for the rest of the grow. I was pretty upset feeling like I had wasted a few bucks so I swore off Fox Farms. Now I want to see if it could have been some other factor than just those base nutrients but instead of GH, I want to try AN's pH perfect trio. I am going to be doing a blind experiment to make sure neither plant is influenced by any biases I might have which means you won't know which is which either! My Fiance has graciously volunteered to play the role of adding the base nutrients to the reservoirs so that I will not know which plant is receiving which trio. After I harvest them (keeping them separate) she will reveal the plants nutrient manufacturer to us. A big thanks to her! Strain: Granddaddy Purps Feminized Breeder: MSNL Number of Plants: 2 (My brother requested GDP #1 be named Dankisha so there you go bud) Lifespan to date: Dropped seeds into water on 4/25/17, put into Rapid Rooter plugs in humidome on 4/29/17, placed in 6" net pods with hydroton and into reservoir on 5/1/17. Grow type: Deep Water Culture (DWC), 4.5 max gallon reservoir size. Nutrients: Each seedling will be receiving either the hydro Fox Farms trio or the Advanced Nutrients (AN), pH Perfect, Grow, Micro, and Bloom. Each plant will be receiving many different supplemental nutrients from the advanced line. See each week for specifics. Feeding strategy: After many over fertilization issues in my first grow, I decided from there on out to take a very conservative approach to feeding schedules. Each trio and the AN additives will be only be added to the reservoir when I notice the plants showing a "hunger" through early stages of visible signs of nutrient deficiency. At that point, each plant will be given a 1/4 of the manufacturers's recommended dosage for each component. The exception to this rule is the B-52 which I added 3 mls (1/10th recommended dosage for week 1) of to each reservoir because it is packed with b-vitamins which help will rigorous vegetative growth and stalk rigidity. When the plants have matured enough, I will increase the dosage to 1/2 for each base nutrient and then as high strength allowed by the plant in flower. Lights: Each plant has a 300W (132W actual) Galaxy Hydro LED positioned directly overhead throughout its life from veg to flower. Light to plant distances will be adjusted as needed, generally decreasing with plant maturity. Water: Home reverse osmosis treated water system beginning once nutrients are added. Update schedule: I will try to send out the updates every Saturday or Sunday when I change the reservoirs out. I am very excited to see how this turns out. My own hypothesis is that the Advanced Nutrient (AN) trio will be able to run at a higher PPM than the Fox Farms (FF) trio without burning the plant, causing deficiencies, or lockout. I am basing this on a shared opinion I have read online that FF causes buildup and blockage of nutrient channels leading to deficiencies or burns. I think that being able to run a more aggressive feeding schedule for a longer period of time will increase the bud weight of the Advanced Nutrient crop. I am also very interested in determining the validity of the "pH Perfect" technology claim by AN. I wonder if the inherent pH buffers in the AN trio will force the pH to stick at a sub-optimal (outside of the range of 5.8-6.2 for my purposes) level. I hope to do documented experiments similar to this one in the future as well. If anyone has any ideas, tips, or tricks they want to share, please feel free to let me know. Enjoy!
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GrimbolTheDruid
GrimbolTheDruidcommentedweek 88 years ago
AN is Advanced Nutrients and FF is Fox Farms. GDP1 is running only AN while GDP2 is running Fox Farms.
GrimbolTheDruid
GrimbolTheDruidcommented8 years ago
@CBD_Sweden, I'm going to be placing a seed order very soon so I will keep you in mind bud. Happy growing!
CBD_Sweden
CBD_Swedencommented8 years ago
@Grimbol, I´m glad to help. Hope you find a strain that you like. If you order something i´m curious to know what strain you choosed.
GrimbolTheDruid
GrimbolTheDruidcommented8 years ago
@CBD_Sweden, Thanks so much dude I really appreciate that!
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GrimbolTheDruid
GrimbolTheDruidcommentedweek 78 years ago
Yeah I know that one experiment with only two test subjects isn't really the greatest experiment but it's honestly not even close any more. The FF plant is super miniaturized and growing extremely slowly.
CANNASIM
CANNASIMcommented8 years ago
@TheFBM, would be perfect to have around, my gf uses for that purpose! 🙃👌🏻 Cheers
TheFairyBudMother
TheFairyBudMothercommented8 years ago
@CANNASIM, GDP is great for pain and sleep! @Grimbol - Cool experiment and gorgeous pruning. I am excited to see your end results!
GrimbolTheDruid
GrimbolTheDruidcommented8 years ago
@CANNASIM, Thanks man! Me too!
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JUNGLE_B4RNS
JUNGLE_B4RNScommentedweek 138 years ago
FFS ... men it sux .... I feel very sorry for you bro.... bloody spider mites 😔 I suggest you Sierra Natural Science SNS 217 for those bloody mites. You shall wait 9 days before starting a new crop. They reproduce every 3 days.
GrimbolTheDruid
GrimbolTheDruidcommentedweek 118 years ago
I've had some problems here and there but can you be more specific? What makes them awful to you?
GrimbolTheDruid
GrimbolTheDruidcommentedweek 118 years ago
Yeah I'm so impressed with this plant that I took clones just in case she is purple. I love how she grows, no nutrient problems, huge root ball and she drinks like a champion. About a gallon a day in veg! All that combined with the purple pheno and I will keep a mother of this girl maybe for a breeding project.
GrimbolTheDruid
GrimbolTheDruidcommentedweek 28 years ago
Thanks for the advice man I will check that out!
Fun_Growin
Fun_Growincommentedweek 88 years ago
Grimbol, whats up with your roots at week 8?? you should have roots like that by week 2 or 3, by week 8 you should almost fill a 5 gal bucket or more... are those roots pics from week 8 or am i looking at it wrong? im on my 3rd grow, and i had roots like that too, and every one died in week 2 flower! not trying to rain on your day :)
GrimbolTheDruid
GrimbolTheDruidcommented8 years ago
@FL_Grown, Yeah dude you know actually I bet that's what it is. My reservoir temps have been high ever since summer hit :(
Fun_Growin
Fun_Growincommented8 years ago
@Grimbol, Duno if your using great white That and KLN helped mine a lot, lower temp would help me more :) I'll keep watching and growing w ya
GrimbolTheDruid
GrimbolTheDruidcommented8 years ago
@FL_Grown, That's a great question man. This site doesn't have a "seedling" stage and I don't count them as being in veg really until they have at least 3-4 sets of leaves and would have outgrown their solo cup. So I would say I'm finishing up my 4th week of veg right now. But I agree. The roots do look a little stunted in those pictures. They took off this week so stay tuned for a picture of that tomorrow
HOPEtr
HOPEtrcommentedweek 118 years ago
ı hate this seedbank
HOPEtr
HOPEtrcommented8 years ago
@Grimbol, seeds r awful
GrimbolTheDruid
GrimbolTheDruidcommented8 years ago
@hopetr, Why is that?
JUNGLE_B4RNS
JUNGLE_B4RNScommentedweek 108 years ago
Nice shaping bro 👍
JUNGLE_B4RNS
JUNGLE_B4RNScommented8 years ago
@Grimbol,Patience is the key , it's true 👍
GrimbolTheDruid
GrimbolTheDruidcommented8 years ago
@JUNGLE_B4RNS, Thanks man. I'm really making sure her shape is perfect before I start flower. Patience is key!
CANNASIM
CANNASIMcommentedweek 98 years ago
She hates FF, curious to see how it will reflect on harvest! Both look very good and healthy despite the size difference!
CANNASIM
CANNASIMcommented8 years ago
@Grimbol, For sure! 👌🏻👍🏻👊🏻 Cheers
GrimbolTheDruid
GrimbolTheDruidcommented8 years ago
@CANNASIM, Yeah honestly I had a really negative experience with them on my first grow but I wanted to give them a chance. The Ff plant is looking healthy I would say but not really vibrant like the AN plant.
thrashordie
thrashordiecommentedweek 78 years ago
curious about its purple buds mate! when do you think for switch 12/12?
GrimbolTheDruid
GrimbolTheDruidcommented8 years ago
@thrashordie, Made my final tops today so probably 2-3 weeks until flower. I'm pretty sure I calculated it out and I can let them get to 14" before I need to flip.
GrimbolTheDruid
GrimbolTheDruidcommented8 years ago
@thrashordie, Hard to say I think I'm about less than a week away from their final topping then they will start to really grow upwards. From there I would imagine another week or two to reach 18" and then I flip them. My veg is pretty long but I really love sculpting the plants.
melly
mellycommentedweek 136 years ago
im confused. you know these plants thrive in the outdoors right? seems crazy to worry so much about bugs when they grow so good in the ground under the sun. i guess the problem is not that you have bad bugs in there but you dont have the good bugs which would normally keep the bad ones under control.
GrimbolTheDruid
GrimbolTheDruidcommented6 years ago
@melly, Yep there is a lot of truth to this. Where I live, I can only grow outside for 2 months of the year unfortunately.
BreakingBud
BreakingBudcommentedweek 118 years ago
excellent work bro
GrimbolTheDruid
GrimbolTheDruidcommented8 years ago
@HOW_i_GROW, Thank you man! I really appreciate it.
JUNGLE_B4RNS
JUNGLE_B4RNScommentedweek 118 years ago
Looks like FF is winning 😄
GrimbolTheDruid
GrimbolTheDruidcommented8 years ago
@JUNGLE_B4RNS, Haha definitely man! I might get a whole blunt off her!
CANNASIM
CANNASIMcommentedweek 108 years ago
How can the diference be so brutal... I'm perplex by your test...
GrimbolTheDruid
GrimbolTheDruidcommented8 years ago
@CANNASIM, I know dude it is pretty crazy.
JUNGLE_B4RNS
JUNGLE_B4RNScommentedweek 98 years ago
You are an artist, aggressive on GDP2 ? 10 hours later she was ok 😄👍 When I touch my plants they need 1 week to recover from stress , I wish I could be aggressive like you are bro !
GrimbolTheDruid
GrimbolTheDruidcommented8 years ago
@JUNGLE_B4RNS, Haha yeah isn't that crazy! Hydro responds so fast I think.
nicogm
nicogmcommentedweek 68 years ago
I really love main-lining... good luck on your growing bro!
GrimbolTheDruid
GrimbolTheDruidcommented8 years ago
@nicogm, Thanks man you too.
Autof
Autofcommentedweek 18 years ago
Good
GrimbolTheDruid
GrimbolTheDruidcommented8 years ago
@Autof, Thanks!
artfullDODGER33
artfullDODGER33commentedweek 136 years ago
Shame...Little can be done when in flower (Other than Molasses feeding)....However while in Veg it is possible to rid yourself of mites with a thorough regime of spraying every 4 days or so for 4 wks is sufficient with an Organic Fatty Acid Soap Based Spray onto the leaves top and underside especially...before returning plants to the grow room which you have sterilised with strong detergents. It is essential to repeat this process several times until all existing adults have been eradicated along with all eggs which have been laid upon the undersides of the leaves have hatched out and those too eradicated. Also apparently increasing the Brix levels within the leaves by feeding with Vinasse or Molasses will make you Plants less appealing to sucking insects ..google it As stated a decision was made and More seeds can be started soon...No Regrets and Cleanliness is Next to Godliness...Never use anything from the back garden indoors not even a pot etc. belive me I know I have had Mites, Fungus Gnats and even Caterpillars chewing My leaves after a Moth got into My Tent unnoticed one night. You seem to have a good idea of what needs doing as well as some good cleaning of the general area where the tent was positioned within the house
TheFairyBudMother
TheFairyBudMothercommentedweek 137 years ago
My condolences! If it's any consolation, I gave you one of my 3 votes because this is an awesome, well recorded diary, and has a lot of value because you experimented, took risks, learned some new things and shared it honestly and with humility with us. I'm looking forward to your next endeavor. I had those f'rs in Lilliput bud land. (We fae are little so we're pleased even with the small dank bud Jah has provided). I appreciate your words about providing good medicine and knowing what I now know, people put a lot trust into the folk who cultivate their meds.