+2 strainsJaindohcommentedweek 99 months ago
You should make it to harvest if you just keep feeding water only. It'll hit your yield, but if you take care of them from here out it should be okay.
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Strawberry Gorilla and Banana Purple Punch - Newbie Grow
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You know how I asked whether to cut down the white bucket due to soil too low and people said no? Well, thanks, but I ended up doing it anyway. I'm happy I did, but, the day after, the soil dried super fast and my poor plant almost kicked the bucket. Took all day to get her perking up again! You can see that in some of the pics here. Then I got all ambitious, even though a lot of advice says not for newbies to defoliate (at all?) or to do any LST stuff. Weeeeell sorry but I started doing that too, and I think I'm seeing good effects. I'm using insulated wire and electrical cable clamps to avoid bruising the stalks.
I've turned up the lights and added a side light strip of red/blue. Still on 18hours. I do adjust the Spider Farmer light now and then ... sometimes less, sometimes more, depending on what I "think" the plants are telling me.
The freezer icemaker fan brings the humidity up a tad, as well as helps circulate the warmth. So while I do see as high as 84F it's generally around 77 in day. When I check in morning it's at 71F.
I'm still watering with a 10ml syringe. It just works. I've added an approximation of the amount of Tiger Bloom to my solution, but I also water with mostly straight water alternately. I've also added powdered cuttlebone (calcium, some mag). I've lost track ... I'm watering by the seat of my pants, by gosh and by golly, and simply winging it. Next grow I'll get the fabric pots so I can water more properly. But for now, it's OK ... I'm seeing definite improvement from just injecting solution into the soil in several spots. I'm looking carefully for cupping, nutrient burn, wilting, etc. I did lose some leaf tips to the hot LED strip, and from the previous dry spell, but since then, it's all good.
Noticing a couple cool purple leaves on the top flower of the small (Strawberry Gorilla). The plant looks healthier in general .. the pale, slightly yellow leaves are becoming a deeper green, and the plant is feeling alive and responsive.
I kept the handful of leaves I trimmed from the BPP ... hung them up on the closet pole yesterday. They are crispy-dry now. Gonna make tea tonight. : )
However, I'm worried that if I don't figure out a humidity seal for that closet, when I am forced to open up my current tent, I will have to water a LOT to prevent the ladies from drying out. It is so very dry in there. Of course, I'm hoping that works for me when it comes time to worry about bud rot ... people say "I keep it as dry as possible" well ... I don't think that will be any challenge.
Going to take a few more leaves from the GPP tomorrow maybe. Currently I'm tucking the big shaders down in so the bud sites get more light.
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Aleatoricstarted grow question a year ago
Should I cut off the lower bad-looking leaves on the Banana Purple Punch? Are they detrimental to the plant? Not sure they could be helping anything.
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Leaves. Curl down
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Jaindohanswered grow question a year ago
Let the plant eat them for resources if they're not literally heavily damaged
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AsNoriuanswered grow question a year ago
no, do not rim anything, let plant grow, bush out, then manipulate heavy. now just big care and tlc.
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Storkanswered grow question a year ago
You are the boss you can do whatever you want you can top up also if you want or more... some will say is auto do nothing... Still, I will say no need to cut just because you do not like the leave
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Aleatoricstarted grow question a year ago
What is the consensus on the start date for vegetative weeks? Is it when the seeds pop, or when the sprouts emerge from soil? I'm getting conflicting answers ... and it almost seems like it changes my whole schedule of expectations, especially comparing to others' diaries.
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Boomer911answered grow question 9 months ago
Slightly confused here because different websites gives you different start dates , the same like grow apps that "autofollow" your strains.
Week 1 of Veg should by books and other plants starts with true leaves , but that would mean I would have to turn my weeks back 1 down
5 Days Germ - 1'st week starts .. I would say..
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AsNoriuanswered grow question a year ago
i do not presoak and count first 7 days since seed touched soil as germination week, rest veg till 12/12 flip, then flower.
but everyone counts diferently, its absolutely irrelevant.
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AutoflowersSucKanswered grow question a year ago
When the seed emerges, it has to prepare for vegetative growth. That's why for the first 2 weeks it looks like the growth is stunted and most new growers think something is wrong.......nothing is wrong and everything is right. It's anchoring itself into the soil with it's tap root, and then it begins forming roots that branch off the tap root and begin to explore the soil. That's truly when vegetative growth and begin to take place.
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Aleatoricstarted grow question a year ago
Should I cut the bucket down to give airflow and access to the side of the plant? Doesn't look like it wants to poke up, and I wish I had the foresight to add more material before planting, but I was assuming the plant would be taller by now.
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Plant. Too short
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Organomananswered grow question a year ago
No don't worry, everything will turn out fine.
But yes, always fill your containers right up to the top!
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Incognitusanswered grow question a year ago
and, lol i thought it was some translation error.. no i wouldn't cut the bucket down.. if you have some air currents, it'll be fine. remove any leaves pointing down into substrate..
if you really wanted to, once it's taller you can add an inch or two of substrate if you wish.. i wouldn't bother though. When you transplant, before you bury anything, place the put into the hole you dug... is it at the right level? if not dig some more or fill it in a bit to get it to the right level. i try to get a layer on top of the transplant. if you ahd good watering habits, you shouldn't have any superficial roots, so removing a 1/2" off the top of a transplant isn't too big of a deal either -- one more tool to level it out the way you want.
When i transplant a larger plant in a 1gallon (vs seedling pot), i dig a partial hole with a slgihtyl udnerfilled pot. this way i can level it out and work the substrate around it to hold it steady exactly where i want it - e.g. if tilted i gently lift it and push some substrate under or pack in one side to hold it more vertically. Once sufficiently positions, then pour in some from sides to fill in the rest... hold the leaves up with one hand and dump it in, then level it out. Jst work your way around. this part doesn't take much ... dump and level. I do one half then the other. Make sure if anything is not even it is concave and not convest.. between the two options - water you put on top rolling (gravity/slope) toward center is better than toward the edges. It makes watering more of a pain to ensure no dry pocklets if ther's a slope or uneven top... the low side will sink in faster / gravity will pull it that way as you water the top... i have a sloped platform.. i slightly favor the high side with my drippers for this reason.
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Incognitusanswered grow question a year ago
It doesn't look like the nodes are too tight. slow growth could be from genetics or the substrate if not the best... even the balance of nutes -- though in regard to nutes they look fine... probably just a bushy, short plant.
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Aleatoricstarted grow question a year ago
Asking opinions here, preferably with reasoning, or link to such. I find too many opinions, and am unsure of what stage I'm really at. Question: WHen do I stop with the LST manipulation stuff, or does it continue to varying degree until near harvest? Thanks!
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Scrubbyjimbobanswered grow question a year ago
You train as long as you need to based off what's happening in front of your eyes, not the internet.
For instance in my current grow I tied branches throughout veg but took them off for the stretch(they were beefy limbs and held their shape pretty well) so it wouldn't pull or bite into branches but then I later reapplied some to even the shape back out post stretch.
Beware any advice that's linked to a certain 'week of growth'. ANYTHING you do training wise should be linked to your plant's growth and not some imaginary timetable someone makes up. Different strains, even different phenotypes within a strain, grow differently and there's no one size fits all answers to growing- no matter how catchy something read in that 6th grade Physical Science book 40 years ago, biology is a little more nuanced than that.
Experiment, learn and have fun with it. Over all my years of growing(yeah I'm old too)one big thing I've learned is it's really hard to screw up so bad you end up with nothing if you're mildly competent, cannabis is a very hardy and resilient plant. In the end you'll become a better grower who can adapt to many situations and environments vs someone who just follows directions. It's like knowing how to bake a cake from scratch vs making a box cake. Both end up as cake but who's really the baker? And what's the box guy gonna do if he's out of mixes and only AP flour instead of cake flour?
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Sit_Ubu_Sit_Good_Doganswered grow question a year ago
There is variation in growth patterns, so there is no 1 answer to that question. I have some seeds from 2 inhouse plants that need to be trained until about 10 days into flower before i let it grow vertically (about as extreme as it gets).. or, i end up with a 3' deep canopy and too much larf at the bottom. Other plants need to be ready at flip to flower in order to give my target of 18-24" deep canopy. Relative to my local environmental factors (lights, climate control et al). This is the best zone of buds for me - YMMV, but the variance in growth patterns are not within our control.
You typically want to leave any tie-downs and such until the end. It may seem like it is rigid, but over many weeks it will try to bend back straight, even if slightly it can make the canopy more uneven than it needs to be. I have some plant benders i remove only because the stems will eventually get too thick for them, but then i tie it down with some wire near that bend. A trellis can help too.
So it's a total guessing game unless you've grown the plant before (clones)... the stretchy ones can be HST'd if they outpace shorter plants .. the unusually short ones just suck a dick. if you can use a riser for those to keep them even that's great but using something like a trellis can often make that very difficult once the plant has grown into it.
don't need 40 years to figure this stuff out :P It ain't rocket science.
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TheUk420Showanswered grow question a year ago
you can contiue to lst all the way through flower though because the plant does not grow vertically anymore but what you can do is in a few weeks is try spread the colas out so they get uniform light distribution try ease off on the defoliation because she will stop growing new fans soon and you need them to make buds bigger :) best of luck buddy.
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Aleatoricstarted grow question a year ago
Is this maturation starting to happen, or is it indicative of nutrient burn? I dont' know how to tell.
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Sit_Ubu_Sit_Good_Doganswered grow question a year ago
As long as it isn't too early, not likely an issue and normal. Pistils do die, turn color, and coil up / swallowed by fattening calyx around it.
It can also be a sign of pollination. You'd have to look around and consider context to eliminate that as the cause. e.g. i don't worry about pistils turning color as i near 42 days of flower, give or take... development rates vary.
You'd see issues n leaves before pistils, if nutrient related... not sure if tehy can be affected by such a thing under normal contexts... dumpster fires excluded.
Aleatoricstarted grow question a year ago
Alluding once again to my sloppy method: Which is which?
One is Strawberry Gorilla Auto, (Sativa dom) and one is Banana Purple Punch Auto(Indica dom). Do I have them backward? Tried to keep seeds straight. Based on leaf shape? THX!
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Sit_Ubu_Sit_Good_Doganswered grow question a year ago
once interbred it gets jumbled, see process of "meosis"
so, at that point hard to say one or the other is specifically indica or not because that's just a matter of coincidence that those traits were correlated with a particular plant in a particular region etc etc.. the lankiness is not the cause of any perceived different in high, for example.. merely correlated due to how it evolved in that population of plants.
the 2nd picture is clearly shorter and stockier. Historically that would be the "indica"... but once interbred, you could potentially have very sativa traits that are less susperficial and a short stocky plant that resembles a former "indica" classification despite that fact. These are low-resolution terms that don't always tie to reality of what is occurring.
if the descriptiosn say one is short and stocky, that 2nd one is most likely that strain... can't be 100% certain, but it is the best guess.
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Aleatoriccommented9 months ago
@Jaindoh, Thanks, and sorry for the delay/confusion. Please do check the updated Harvest posts! Also, I've started a new grow ... this is gonna be waaaay better! I think. : )
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Jaindohcommentedweek 4a year ago
Hey, everything is a learning experience. Try mosquito bits (spinosad crumble shit you put in water for mosquitoes) topdressed, works for me. paper if needed is good, but id rather safely poison the bastards. The big one is definitely a keeper. I have terrible luck with autos myself. When they're having problems (which is easier to avoid as you progress, true) you dont get to just veg them out another 2 weeks until they recover. Photoperiod gives you the control. Multiple of my harvests of autoflowers vegged for like 9-12 weeks and took at least as long as photos to finish (suspect its the older "blurple" lamps responsible, but still).
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Aleatoriccommenteda year ago
@Jaindoh, Thanks for your encouragement! I kinda came to the same conclusion regarding autos. Especially since I'm indoors and even still because I'm very new at this, as well as trying to control costs (electricity is expensive here) and have not as much climate control as I should have, I definitely should be doing photoperiod plants. I have a couple more auto varieties ... maybe I'll try those outside or in the greenhouse over the Southeast Alaskan summer. It's very foggy/rainy here from August on, so not super sure about that. We've got a pepper plant actually growing in the window over winter, actually has flowers! Not much, but, I could do that with photoperiod cannabis, and take my time.
By the way, I noticed a growth spurt in the little guy just last night. There be hope!
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Jaindohcommentedweek 3a year ago
Followed for your first grow! They probably don't quite need fertilizer yet, but it shouldn't hurt anything. If you're trying to increase vigor and growth, try getting a fan to lightly rustle the leaves (not shake the whole plant). Fox Farms is how I started myself!
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Aleatoriccommenteda year ago
@Jaindoh, Really appreciate the input. I think I'd do everything a lot differently, were I starting over. But for now, just trying to make the best of things. I suspected stigma formation yesterday ... confirmed today. Not sure my situation is god for autos! I'll work on a small fan ... it's a double-edged situation, that, as the humidity dips really low quickly due to cold and wood stove.
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Transylvaliencommentedweek 108 months ago
I think you harvested to early. Those trichs look glassy af not even a little cloudy
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Aleatoriccommented8 months ago
@Transylvalien, I already responded to this, but the response is gone? This site is weird. Anyway, thanks, the stuff works for us ... the trichs I saw when I harvested some were amber, many cloudy, some clear .. I'd rather have the energising high, as opposed to the couch lock sleepy stuff. So I maybe did early, but I'll try hard next time to make sure it's right.
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Aleatoriccommented8 months ago
@Transylvalien, I don't disagree. Good to report that we are enjoying the results. I was seeing enough ambers that I didn't want to mess up, and I was planning to harvest a bit early on purpose (for the supposed speedy cerebral/functional high). I'll push it a little more on my current grow. Thanks!
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Aleatoriccommentedweek 4a year ago
I just read comments on another's diary where they had short plant. As result I just went and dimmed my light ... maybe it will cause more "stretch".
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Aleatoriccommentedweek 3a year ago
Thanks everyone, for your input. For what it's worth, those leaves are looking better today! Tried to mark an answer as "the one" but the clicky thing does not work. I'm leaving th eleaves unless they fall off.
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